Coffeeman Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Does anyone know the weighting the BCS puts on each component? I can't figure out why it doesn't look more like the average of the AP and Coaches' polls, which both have USC at #3, but sounds like the BCS will have them at #5. Apparently 7 strong, dominating wins mean much less than 1 loss on the road in triple OT. I guess it means that the Cal bears tumble is killing USC in the strength of schedule, and the other top 5 BCS teams' losses were against more "respectable" teams. Meanwhile, Georgia and OSU stumble to ugly wins and keep being ranked above the Trojans. (Yes, I am a SC homer.) There were reportedly some computer polls that still had the Irish ranked in the top 25 after last week's loss, which also helps explain the BCS craziness. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to put more weight on some geek's computer rankings (who has never played a down in his life) than the NCAA coaches who know the game inside and out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted October 27, 2003 Author Share Posted October 27, 2003 ...and before you Sooner/Canes guys pile on to say "#3 - #5 ranks don't matter" save your breath - the top 2 spots are clearly in no dispute here. Those guys deserve it. I'm actually hoping for the Rose Bowl for USC anyway, cuz I may have a chance to attend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I agree with you. USC should be #3 in my opinion as well. Not sure what the hell is going on there. OSU and Ga wouldnt beat that team imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Sgt. Ryan: I agree with you. USC should be #3 in my opinion as well. Not sure what the hell is going on there. OSU and Ga wouldnt beat that team imo. How many times are you going to open your mouth and prove you have no idea what's going on Ryan... USC is ahead of GA and OSU in this week's BCS standings: 3 Florida State 4 USC 5 Georgia 6 Ohio State You know, I used to have to do a little research and dig up some data to disprove your innane arguments Ryan... now not even that is needed since you've taken to spouting complete falsehoods instead of your usual unsupported speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 davearm: Sgt. Ryan: I agree with you. USC should be #3 in my opinion as well. Not sure what the hell is going on there. OSU and Ga wouldnt beat that team imo. How many times are you going to open your mouth and prove you have no idea what's going on Ryan... USC is ahead of GA and OSU in this week's BCS standings: 3 Florida State 4 USC 5 Georgia 6 Ohio State You know, I used to have to do a little research and dig up some data to disprove your innane arguments Ryan... now not even that is needed since you've taken to spouting complete falsehoods instead of your usual unsupported speculation. Are you a complete moron. Did you even read the post prior to mine and then mine. It clearly said and I quote Quote from coffeman " I can't figure out why it doesn't look more like the average of the AP and Coaches' polls, which both have USC at #3, BUT SOUNDS LIKE the BCS will have them at #5." and QUOTE form coffeman " Meanwhile, Georgia and OSU stumble to ugly wins and keep being ranked above the Trojans. (Yes, I am a SC homer.) The Oct 20 BCS poll - the current poll when both of our posts were written had teams ranked the following order 1. OU 2. Miami 3. Va Tech 4. GA 5. FSU 6. OSU 7. USC and I clearly said, you F'n idiot I agree with you. USC should be #3 in my opinion as well. Not sure what the hell is going on there. OSU and Ga wouldnt beat that team imo. At the time of both posts, both teams were ranked higher than USC, and he said it looks like 1 would still be So if they were #5, odds are one of GA or OSU would be #4, you F'n idiot. We both posted before 6 pm CST the time the new BCS poll came out on Oct 27. Get your facts straight before you ever question me, you stupid F'n moron. How does that Athena taste all over your face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Ryan you could have saved a lot of bandwidth by simply stating, "my comments were based on the totally meaningless and irrelevant BCS standings from last week." That would have cleared everything up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 To answer the original question, strong dominating wins mean no more than close wins. The BCS gives no credit for running up the score (other than any affect the score has on the AP, ESPN/USA Today, and various computer polls). There is no weighting in that sense. Each component has a numerical value. A 'perfect' BSC score would be 2.05 assuming no quality win deductions. The first component is the Poll Average. USC is #3 in AP, #3 in ESPN, so they get 3 points here. The next component is the Computer Average. USC is 8, 4, 6, 6, 6, 5, 7 in the 7 computer polls. Drop the lowest ranking and the average becomes 5.67. So they get 5.67 points, total 8.67. The next component is Strenght of Schedule. This combines the total W-L record of a team's opponents (weighted 2/3) and the total combined W-L record of a teams opponents' opponents (weighted 1/3). USC is 35th. The #1 ranked team gets .04, #2 gets .08, and so forth, multiply the rank x .04 and USC gets 1.40 points, total 10.07. The next component is losses, you get 1 point per loss. USC gets 1, total 11.07. The final component is quality wins, you subtract 1.0 for beating the current #1, 0.9 for beating the #2, on down to 0.1 for beating the #10 team. LSU (over Georgia) and Miami (over FSU) are the only teams this applies to currently. USC gets 0, total 11.07. FSU gains on USC mainly in the Computer Rankings area and also beats USC on strenght of schedule. USC is ahead of FSU only in the Poll Average. As far as strong dominating wins go, FSU has won 5 games by 24 or more points. USC only has 2 by 24 or more (but does have all 7 wins by 17 or more). Do you think USC has been more dominating than FSU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gman Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Both LSU and Georgia are 7-1 and 4-1 in the SEC, LSU beat Georgia when Georgia was higher ranked than LSU, LSU has dominated just about everone they have played, Georgia squeaks by UAB last week, when LSU dominated Auburn, and Georgia is ranked higher? BCS sucks. thumbs_d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted October 28, 2003 Author Share Posted October 28, 2003 Kevin L - no, I don't think USC has been more dominating than FSU; in fact, I am quite happy with #4 and I think the two teams are almost interchangeable in terms of how they look. (As Ryan says, I was reacting to CBS.sportsline's off-base prediction of #5 or 6 in the BCS for USC before the it actually came out. So much for their prognos.) But FSU deserves #3 because their only loss was to #2 and USC's was to a team they should've beaten - ****, I wish they hadn't been stupid and come out slow against the Bears! If, however, Miami loses to VATech and FSU gets ranked at #2 ahead of USC in the Dec. 8 BCS when they both win out, I'll be pissed. But again, they'll have no one to blame but themselves for losing to Cal. On the bright side, I have a much better chance to go to the Rose Bowl game here in town than the Sugar. By the way Kevin, (since you seem to have all the details on the BCS crap,) is it possible for USC to end up #2 after the bowls if they win big and the Sugar is a blowout? Just wondering... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Wow, being called on your stupidity really pisses you off, huh Ryan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 davearm: Wow, being called on your stupidity really pisses you off, huh Ryan? LMAO, my stupidity. I dont have spit on my face. Look in the mirror. Re-read the posts above. Take a history lesson. You have just been schooled not once, but twice. I really dont think this moron understands hes been Athena on and he looks clueless in each response. thinking . :shaking head walking away: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 History Lesson: Monday October 20th 6:00 pm: BCS Standings #1 released 1. OU 2. Miami 3. Va Tech 4. GA 5. FSU 6. OSU 7. USC Wednesday October 22nd 10:00 pm: West Virginia 28, Va Tech 7 (Final) 10:01 pm: BCS Standings #1 rendered meaningless Saturday October 25th all day: 90% of the teams in the nation play a game end of the day: BCS Standings #1 rendered even more meaningless Sunday October 26th New AP, Coaches Polls released BCS Standings #1 rendered hopelessly meaningless Monday October 27th BCS Standings #2 for current week released Professor Ryan espouses great wisdom regarding long-ago meaningless and irrelevant BCS Standings #1 Tuesday October 28th Professor Ryan, having never heard the phrase "quit while you're behind", repeatedly humiliates self in vulgar tirade, clumsily attempting in vain to defend/justify/explain aformentioned great wisdom regarding long-ago meaningless and irrelevant BCS Standings #1. Ryan-hating Huddlers look on with glee at the flaming wreckage; others just feel pity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 He walked away. Don't say his name, maybe he'll stay away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamprimos Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 it is possible for the buckeyes to climb back in the picture with a loss of one of two top teams. dont think top two will win out! coxxy rules go buckeyes! be glad there is not a playoff because someone has to play the buckeyes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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