Sgt. Ryan Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 As I said all yr the end of the reg season would determine which conference was superior and it has come to fruition as I expected Currently the Big 12 has 5 teams in the BCS top 25. If Nebraksa beats Colorado on Friday all 5 will remain in the final BCS poll before the bowls begin. The Lil 10 who bragged about 7 teams in the polls to the Big 12 6 earlier in the yr can sit back and say what could have been. BTW, the Big 12 will have a representative playing for the National Championship while the Lil 10 champ will most likely play and lose to the #3 team in the Big 12, Texas. The top 2 Big 12 teams will play a week from Saturday to determine the Big 12 Champ. OU could even lose the game and make the title game, because of their strength of schedule and quality wins, plus their high computer ranking and the fact most predict they will still be #1 in at least 1 poll with a loss. OU isnt going to lose, but its pretty impressive to know what you have already accomplished has been recognized by so many. Like I said at seasons end we will compare again. But there is definately a shift in the BCS poll from the days of the Lil 10 being recognized as a strong conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Does it really matter? Seriously, does it really matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 BCS Standings 1 Oklahoma (B12) 4 Michigan (B10) 5 Ohio State (B10) 6 Texas (B12) 12 Iowa (B10) 14 Purdue (B10) 16 K State (B12) 21 Ok State (B12) 23 Nebraska (B12) So strictly comparing rankings, the big 12 wins at #1 (Oklahoma over Michigan) and #5 (Nebraska over the next Big 10 team) The big 10 wins at #2 (Ohio State over Texas), #3 (Iowa over K State) and #4 (Purdue over Ok State). You could argue this one either way. The Big 12 has the #1 team, which is definitely worth something. But then the Big 10 teams 2-4 are ranked higher than the Big 12 teams 2-4. The BCS is published to 25 so the Big 12 wins the battle of #5. If the BCS was published to #20, then the Big 10 would have 4 teams in still and the Big 12 would only have 3. Publishing only the top 15 would be even worse for the Big 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 ESPN / USA Today Poll 1 Oklahoma 4 Michigan 6 Texas 7 Ohio State 12 Iowa 13 Purdue 14 K State 22 Minnesota 23 Nebraska 24 Ok State 5 teams each. Big 12 is higher ranked at 1 & 2 (Oklahoma over Michigan & Texas over OSU). Big 10 is higher ranked at 3, 4, 5 (Iowa over K State, Purdue over Nebraska, Minnesota over Ok State) Again, could argue this either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Only if there were more pressing issues in the world today.... If only we had something else to focus our energy on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyleaguecommish Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Once again, thank you KevinL. applause ...Be thankful you don't live in Virginia. You would have had to hear how great the Big Least is for the past three years. Funny, I don't hear that argument much anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 AP Poll 1 Oklahoma 4 Michigan 6 Texas 8 Ohio State 12 Purdue 13 Iowa 14 K State 23 Ok State 25 Nebraska Same story here, take out Minnesota from the ESPN. In summary, the Big 12 has the #1 team. Which #2 is better is debatable as the polls favor Texas but the BCS favors OSU. The Big Ten #3 & #4 teams, Purdue & Iowa both consistently rank ahead of the Big 12's #3 team. The Big 12's #5 Nebraska ranks ahead of the Big 12 #5 Minnesota in 2 of the 3 systems analyzed. Both conferences are very strong. Depending how deep you go you could make an argument for either one being stronger, but I don't think it's definitive either way. Bring on the bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Why argue? coach Lets wait until the FINAL rankings are in. cool_thu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Sorry Urlacher, my system is running smooth today and everybody is getting their MSDS sheets so I have a little time to goof off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Well if we don't argue, why don't we just close these boards all season and open them right after the bowls and have a week where you can say "congrats <whoever wins>" and "nice try <whoever loses>" You know why we argue, dude, and you love it just like the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 KevinL: You know why we aruge, dude, and you love it just like the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 KevinL:You know why we argue, dude, and you love it just like the rest of us. So true! Posting on boards like this one has emerged as a sport in and of itself! Some are good at it, some are bad at it, but just about everybody has a fiercely competitive attitude! I wonder how things would shake out if we had our own little BCS system to rank the knowledge and forensics skills of the posters on this board... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 I don't get the whole "our conference is better than yours" thing - who cares? I don't root for a conference to win its games, I root for one team - Trojans. Trying to "prove" that one team is better than another by the overall strength of the conference they play in is downright silly, and has no basis of logic. Back in the day, USC used to play in a conference that was very weak, and this year the Pac-10 has unfortunately reverted to form. However, the Trojans would still go to South Bend and kick butt and win in the Rose Bowl vs. either OSU or Wolverines consistently. And they won a few NC's (or co-NCs) also. Except in the years that they LOST to those teams, who were obviously the cream of their (otherwise weak) conferences also. Meanwhile, Nebraska, Texas, Alabama or Oklahoma would blow out everyone else in their conference (in any given year) and go win a championship - unless it was FSU from the "mighty" ACC or the 'Canes from the "mighty" Big East. Gimme a break - most of the other teams in those conferences blow too. In any given year a team can rise up and dominate - and this year it is the Sooners' turn. They are scary good, and who cares about the rest of the Big12, except KSU fans? Saying OU (or USC) "hasn't played anybody" is just lame - these guys have just kicked ass all year. The second most dominating team, so far, is the Trojans, who (besides 1 loss) have won their 10 games this year by an average of over 26 points and have scored at least 40 in their last 6 games. Except for sometimes shaky special teams, they don't suck, and deserve to be #2. If I had to rank the conferences this year, I'd go Big10/Big12 (tied), SEC, Pac-10, BigEast, MAC, then everyone else. But....no Big10 team will be in the big dance - OU and probably USC (or LSU) will go. Last year's NC game was a classic, and here's to hoping this year's one is just as good. And it will be played by players from just two teams, not all-star players chosen from the best two conferences... smash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Whoa, deja vu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Just thought I throw my bit in: LSU - 3 Georgia - 7 Tennessee - 8 Florida - 11 Mississippi - 18 Arkansas - 24 That's 6 teams from the SEC in the BCS Top 25. And as long as I'm talking, I'd again like to point out that not only did Florida play every one of those ranked SEC teams, they also played Miami-10 and FSU-9. I am NOT saying that Florida is anywhere as strong as Oklahoma, but I wonder how many teams would go undefeated with Florida's schedule (with a true freshman at QB). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Fans like to build up their conference as evidence of the superiority of their team. Oklahoma fans want to believe the Big 12 is a strong conference, it reinforces the argument that Oklahoma is the best team since they are winning games 50-11 on average. Ohio State fans want to believe the Big 10 is a strong conference, it justifies the losses. "We only lost to Big 10 teams. Big 10 teams are the only ones good enough to beat other Big 10 teams" The fact is, conference results really are of little use in determining which conference is stronger. It's the non-conference games that make a difference. Big 10 is 29-14 in non-conference games, with 3 undefeated teams (OSU, Iowa, Minn). Big 12 is 37-12 with 4 undefeated teams (Nebraska, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ok State). Which brings up the strength of schedule argument. By the way, OSU had better plan on winning the battle of the polls next year because SOS will not be their friend. Non-conference games are Cincinnati, Marshall, & NC State. They play a home & home vs Texas in 2005-06 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 "Oklahoma and Ohio State playing for a National Championship is like watching the Paris Hilton video. You already know the outcome and really don't want to see these two get it on." lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacosud Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 This sounds alot like last year...What happened BIG TEN waxed the bowls and took Confrence Crown...Oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamprimos Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 thats why we play the games baby! coxxy rules buckeyes forever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickspicks Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Still proves to me that Sgt. Cryin Ryan is a mental midget. cool_thu National Champions, The Ohio State University Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 The Sporting News ranked the conferences and, in order, they were 1)SEC; 2)Big Ten; 3)Big 12 (with the comment "aside from Oklahoma, does any team really scare you? And please don't say 'Texas'"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 30, 2003 Author Share Posted November 30, 2003 nickspicks: National Champions, The Ohio State University Its just a matter of days before this changes and OSU will be waiting 35 yrs until the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevetatro Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 IMHO, Ohio State is grossly over-rated in the polls however, I would say that Iowa, Purdue, and Michigan are all better than Texas, Ohio State, KState, and OKState.I agree with most of what you write, but Ohio State beat Iowa and Purdue! To say that those two are better than Texas or OSU is nuts!!! Even though I'm a die-hard Buckeye fan (have been since I was old enough to understand football) I've been saying all year that Michigan is the best team in the Big Ten. It's a shame they didn't show up and win at least one of their two losses, as I feel they're the second best team in the country. I know, USC and LSU only have one loss, but that doesn't make either better than Michigan. When you look at a combination of passing, running and defense, Michigan would be best equipped to give Oklahoma a good game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 stevetatroOhio State beat Iowa and Purdue! To say that those two are better than Texas or OSU is nuts!!! Current BCS Rankings6 Texas 17 12 Iowa 15 13 Purdue 34 22 Oklahoma State 55 BCS SOS Rankings 7 Iowa 15 8 Texas 17 11 Purdue 34 18 Oklahoma State 55 If you look at the numbers, they were AS good vs comparable schedules strength-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 I would have to agree that Michigan would give OU the best game of all the teams that have a shot of doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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