muck Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 I know its early...but, the Big 12 has 4 of the top 13 teams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Cearly the BIG 12 is the best conference in basketball as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Kansas State 2000: Cearly the BIG 12 is the best conference in basketball as well. Incorrect forum.Incorrect statement. QUESTION: When was the last time a NC emerged from the Big 12? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 And OSU has already lost to SD St. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 justin: QUESTION: When was the last time a NC emerged from the Big 12? Of the current Big 12 teams, the last national champion was Kansas in 1988. In the 15 years since then, here are national championships, by conference: ACC - 5 SEC - 3 Big Ten - 2 Pac Ten - 2 Big East - 2 Here are Final Four appearances, by conference: ACC - 16 SEC - 10 Big Ten - 12 Pac Ten - 5 Big East - 5 Big 12 - 7 Kansas has made 4 of those 7 trips to the Final Four. Oklahoma has 2, and OK St. and Texas have 1 each. Please tell me you Big 12 homers aren't so far off your rockers that you really think your conference is "the best conference in basketball". At best, the Big 12 is on par with the Pac Ten, Big East, and even C-USA (Louisville, Memphis, Cincinnati, Marquette). The ACC, SEC, and Big Ten are all stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 davearm is right, but how did this get onto this board, and why are we responding to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 This yr dumbass. Its so convenient for Big 10 fans to list the number of yrs that benefit them. Fact is this yr the Big 10 is much weaker than the ACC and the Big 12. And just like I said with college football, lets wait and see. But it already doesnt look good when Mich St loses to Kansas. The Big 12 has 5 teams in the top 25, while the Big 10 has 3 and the best just got beat by the best of the Big 12. If you go to the top 30 teams based on others receiving votes the Big 12 has 7 to the Lil 10s still only 3. So dont give me the Big 10 is any good at basketball. You will be schooled each and every week if you want to start down this road this yr. College football has been very close thus far, but Im hoping the Fiesta takes LSU and Texas goes to the Rose and destroys Michigan to leave no doubt which conference is the best. When OU wins the title, and the #3 team in the Big 12 beats the best of the Lil 10, this argument will be over for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billay Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Football season is almost over boys, wake up and smell the ACC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Actually I couldn't care less about college basketball, as a K-State fan we concentrate on football. thumbs_u Note, however that the KSU women's team is highly ranked again this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grim Reeper Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Ahem...just a little fuel for the fire Purdue 78 (2)Duke 68 Oh, can someone tell me who the he11 AR Pine Bluff is ????? As it turns out, it would be Oklahoma's next "opponent" in B-Ball... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 C'mon Ryan, face it: every year the Big 12 is Kansas and everyone else. Once in a while a team like Oklahoma or Texas (or even Missouri since Quin Snyder's been there) will make some noise, but that's more the exception than the rule. Meanwhile, every year more than half of the Big 12 teams are anywhere from average to awful. The elite conferences (including the Big Ten), on the other hand, produce several quality, ranked teams year in and year out. I know in our league, 6 or 7 teams typically get bids to the NCAA tournament, and more often than not, at least one to advances to the Final Four. You simply can't say that about the Big 12. Will this year be any different? Maybe so. Regardless, you're putting an awful lot of stock in the notoriously-inaccurate early-season polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 #2 - Florida Gators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 untateve: #2 - Florida Gators .....have to play a pretty tough Maryland team that beat Wisconsin last night. Maryland's got a tough run this week (WISC last night) playing Gonzonga Saturday and probably G Mason Sunday. Then down to Gainsville in a re-match of last years game in which UF came to UMD and beat them in their own house. Time for PAYBACK!! wink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 davearm: C'mon Ryan, face it: every year the Big 12 is Kansas and everyone else. Once in a while a team like Oklahoma or Texas (or even Missouri since Quin Snyder's been there) will make some noise, but that's more the exception than the rule. Meanwhile, every year more than half of the Big 12 teams are anywhere from average to awful. The elite conferences (including the Big Ten), on the other hand, produce several quality, ranked teams year in and year out. I know in our league, 6 or 7 teams typically get bids to the NCAA tournament, and more often than not, at least one to advances to the Final Four. You simply can't say that about the Big 12. Will this year be any different? Maybe so. Regardless, you're putting an awful lot of stock in the notoriously-inaccurate early-season polls. Lets just say in the past the Big 10 was one of the best B Ball conferences, but in the last 3 yrs this trend is quickly changing. OU has won what 3 big 12 Tourney titles in a row now. So they have been here a while. Texas went to the final 4 last yr and OU and Kansas the yr before that. OU lost to Syracuse in the bracket final to reach the final 4 last yr. I wouldnt call Wisconsins 2 yr Lil 10 Champ titles the last 2 yrs a huge accomplishment. What have they done in the tourney. The Big 12 is turning into a powerhouse conference and the Big 10 overall is clearly slipping in the last few yrs. And didnt Self just leave Ill to go to a Big 12 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Sgt. Ryan:I wouldnt call Wisconsins 2 yr Lil 10 Champ titles the last 2 yrs a huge accomplishment. What have they done in the tourney. Wisconsin's recent NCAA Tournament performance is nothing to sneeze at:2000: Final Four (beat #1 seed Arizona, lost to #1 seed and eventual champ Michigan St.) 2001: Upset in opening round 2002: 2nd Round (lost to #1 seed and eventual champ Maryland) 2003: Sweet 16 (lost to #1 seed Kentucky) Meanwhile, Oklahoma's recent tournament experience is: * knocked out by Mich. St. in 1999 * knocked out by Purdue in 2000 * knocked out by Indiana in 2002 The Big Ten has had teams in the thick of things come March for a long long time. Outside of Kansas, the Big 12 has not. In recent years Oklahoma, and to a lesser extent Texas, have emerged, that's true. Unless/until you sustain it, though, I'd not put the "powerhouse" label on there yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Pac 10 has it over all you chumps when it comes to volleyball and water polo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 ACC puts Big Ten to Shame By Gregg Doyel SportsLine.com Senior Writer The ACC-Big Ten Challenge was no challenge. A 3-pointer is a challenge. A turnaround jump shot is a challenge. This was a dunk, a layup, a free throw. The ACC went 7-for-9, eek! a 77.8 percentage that doesn't do justice to its dominance over the Big Ten. This statistic does it justice: Indiana, Michigan State and Ohio State lost by a combined 75 points to Wake Forest, Duke and Georgia Tech. lol And Michigan State and Ohio State were at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Kansas State 2000: ACC puts Big Ten to Shame That's for sure! The ACC is stronger than the Big Ten and they certainly proved it. Wouldn't it be awesome if there were one or two early season "conference challenge" Saturdays in football too? Big Ten vs. Big 12 would be fantastic, and it even has a loosely regional appeal. The SEC vs. the the newly-configured ACC would be great too. Do it the first Saturday of September every year -- everybody in the participating conferences leave that date open, and pairings for the following season are determined in the spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Dave, who do you think you are, trying to hijack this b-ball topic back over to football on the College Football forum?? What about my challenge to all you guys about volleyball and water polo?? My sarcastic tongue is so far in my sarcastic cheek, it hurts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Coffee -- Funny thing is, 2 or 3 years ago Nebraska and Wisconsin met in the NCAA women's volleyball finals. (The sidelight to that is, the Cornhuskers' coach had been the Badgers' coach two years prior, and had recruited the core of our team.) We're not so competitive in water polo though, owing to our pools being frozen over so much of the year. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieHead Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 All I have to say is come on 2005!! The new Big East is going to blow away the Big 10, ACC, SEC, you name it! See what Dickie-V had to say here: http://espn.go.com/dickvitale/vcolumn03110...-expansion.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billay Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 The ACC is a combined 38-3!! for a 92.7 win percentage eek! with wins over #1 UConn, #5 Mich St. #11 Illinois, #13 Wisconsin, and has 5 teams in the top 25 (56% of the league) and 4 of the top 16 (45% of the league) How can you argue with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Clearly the ACC is the best conference in the country, followed by Big Ten, Conf USA, Big 12 and Big East. I do give the Big 12 BBall program a lot of credit however, unlike their football program, the BBall program has the BALLS to schedule some quality out of conference games, only wish the football program would, so the country could see how average the competition really is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Now OU just beat the best team in the Big 10 MSU in Michigan. The best in the Big 10 has lost 3 games already, and 2 to Big 12 teams, Kansas and OU. Im telling you, The big 12 is going to be strong again this yr, as it was the last 2 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 untateve: #2 - Florida Gators oops, my bad. #1 - Florida Gators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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