teamprimos Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 has a team ever played for national championship without even winng there conference? this is sad! coxxy rules go buckeyes forever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Actually just last year Ohio State TIED (did not win outright) for the Big Ten conference championship and played for the National Championship. So yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilerduff Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Not to put to fine a point on it but.. 1. Tied for a conference title is better than not having one. KSU is the Big 12 champion. Arguably OU should have been, but they aren't. 2. Oklahoma with a win in the Sugar, will have a split title with USC if USC takes care of Michigan. Will that take away from your title? If ties are so bad? You seem to think a co-big ten champ is a bad thing, So I guess you won't count your national title if it is split. Right. You can't have it both ways...... The Big 12 championship game definitly was a negative for OU. I agree, all conferences should have a title game. It's not the fans choice. It's the conferences. It's the same reason we don't have a playoff of some sort. The Big 12 can get rid of the game if they want to but they make to much money, so they won't. You arguments definitly bend any way you want, the reality is this. KSU is the Big 12 champ because of the way your conference is set up. All your team had to do was win this game to not have to defend anything and you didn't. I think it was a bad enough beat that it should have knocked them out of the title game. My opinion is and always was if you aren't the best in your conference (Conference Champ), then how can you be the best in the nation. You can argue that OU is the better team, but that is what a cmapionship game is for. If you don't win your conference you don't deserve a shot. I felt this way about Nebraska when they went and got destroyed. If OU got a co-title for having the best record, then fine, but that isn't the case. My opinion is they should not be in the Title game beacuse 1. They are not the conference champ. 2. The got manhandled in thier biggest game to date. If It was close I could buy the argument that OU was the better team. But that was a slaughter. The BCS though it differently. That is the system that is set up. We have to deal with it. So I congratulate you on your shot. All of the arguments come down to this. If everyone isn't on a level playing field then it will never be fair. I would like all conferences to be the same. With title games!! (Big ten...... are you listening???) This year USC got the shaft. How upset will you be when it is you on the other end of the stick. I once again state for the record that I am in no way a Buckeye fan. Go Boilers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Actually IIRC, the NCAA stipulates that a conference must have at least 12 teams in order to stage a conference championship game. Therefore under NCAA guidelines, the Big Ten and Pac-10 aren't even eligible to have a championship game, unless/until they add more teams. Also IIRC, lost in the whole ACC/Big East fiasco from earlier in the year, was this: after adding (OK, stealing) Miami and VT (to get to 11), the ACC appealed to the NCAA to get a championship game, and were denied. That was one reason they later went after BC to get to 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Ryan, in honor of the holidays, I offer you this: If "IFS" and "BUTS" were candies and nuts, every day would be Christmas. KState is the Big 12 Champion. Oklahoma is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Also with respect to conferences with and without championship games, this point seems to get lost: In the Big Ten and Pac-10, to be conference champ, you must finish with a better record than all of the other 9/10 teams. In the Big 12 and SEC, to be conference champ, you must finish with a better record than half of the other 11 teams, plus win one game. Obviously those are different systems. Which one is a bigger challenge? You could argue it either way. Regardless, it's certainly not obvious that winning its conference was a tougher task for OU than it was for USC or Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Sgt. Ryan:And OU will be National Champs. thumbs_u So it works out for Sooner Nation It's been amusing to follow your threads this week Ryan. From one minute to the next, you've vacillated between humble and realistic, predicting a great Sugar Bowl game that either team might win, and brash and arrogant, calling for a Sooner blowout and sure-fire National Championship. Just an observation, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Now now Ryan, there's no call for such boorishness. I actually meant what I said as a compliment. After all, your brashness and arrogance is well documented, whereas an objective, rational perspective was so rarely in evidence in your posts prior to Saturday's drubbing. In fact for a while there, you actually had me thinking that perhaps your view of the world isn't always obstructed by your colon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilerduff Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 That game won't prove anything. It's a travesty of College Football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelBunz Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 teamprimos: has a team ever played for national championship without even winng there conference? this is sad! coxxy rules go buckeyes forever! Seems this thread got sidetracked a bit....to answer the original question....I heard this discussed on Sportscenter this week. Went back into some archives and looked it up. 1936 Minnesota Golden Gophers....National Champion....and tied for 2nd in the Big Ten that year. In conferences without conference playoffs...I think Co-Champions count as conference champs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilerduff Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Obviously K-state is a better team than OU. Certainly you can't argue with results on the field. And I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch like you did in the Lil' 12 Championship game.... "Somewhere who you beat and who you lose to has to matter." I also state HOW you lose oughta play a role in the selections. The BCS doesn't agree. Lucky for Sooner nation I guess. My Opinion is and will be OU should have lost it's trip to the Sugar. Maybe they would have backdoored a share of the title, the way that USC might. That was the weakest best team in the country I've ever seen. doah For as good as OU was supposed to be, I'll take last years champs. At least they got it done. Might have been ugly. They always got the the W. As always Sarge, a pleasure talking Football with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Obviously KSU got better as the season moved along and especially after they got Roberson back 100%. Usc is better than Cal. and KSU is better than Marshal, but things happen and that is why college football is great. KSU knows Oklahoma and plays Oklahoma better than anyone in the country. I said it before and I'll say it again now ... K-State is the ONLY team that can beat and whip OU period. They have our old coaches and Snyder taught Stoops how to win. OU is a version of KSU and that is why we always play them tough. They won the national championship in 2000 but only beat K-State in the BIG 12 championship 27-24. NO OTHER TEAM WILL BEAT OU LIKE K-STATE DID AND WILL AGAIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davearm Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Sgt. Ryan: Fact is all 3 teams lost, and none should have a gripe. Had OU been left out Id say the same thing. Please, Ryan. If OU had been left out, you'd be ranting on and on about how USC plays in a crappy conference, how it's not fair that USC didn't have to play a conference championship game, how USC's loss was to a bad team but OU's to a good team, how it's not fair that OU's punished for losing late in the year, and etc. etc. Heck your team got into the Sugar and you're still b*tching about all these things. So don't try and tell us you would have been gracious and accepting had OU been the team getting the shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilerduff Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Sgt. Ryan: That being said, Im rooting for my Sooners to win National Championship #8 in Jan 04 and Ill be happy as hell if/when they beat LSU, regardless of what happens in the Rose Bowl. This is perfect! Exactly! Thats all that needs to be said! Good luck Sooner nation! Hopefully we will get a real championship game out of all this mess! Later Sarge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamprimos Posted December 13, 2003 Author Share Posted December 13, 2003 thanks steelbunz for looking that up. as for sgt cryin, what are you going to say when the second best team in the lil ten beats the best team in the lil 12? coxxy rules buckeyes forever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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