budlitebrad Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 I just saw that apparently the Chiefs agreed to give Surtain a multi-year contract extension, contingent on the Dolphins trading him. Just a little FYI to keep an eye on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziachild007 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 I just saw that apparently the Chiefs agreed to give Surtain a multi-year contract extension, contingent on the Dolphins trading him. Just a little FYI to keep an eye on. 761711[/snapback] I heard that too on Sirius radio, but they said that KC only offered a 4th rounder, which the Fins refused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 No way Saban 'gives' Surtain away. I'd want a 2nd or a 3rd this year and a 3rd next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 I heard about a possible trade but not to the Chiefs and a 4th round pick would be rediculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted April 1, 2005 Author Share Posted April 1, 2005 I don't think the Chiefs even have a 3rd round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 (edited) They got one from the supplimental picks Edited April 1, 2005 by Duchess Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Public Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Surtain, K.C. agree, but Saban balks By Alex Marvez and Ethan Skolnick Staff Writers Posted April 1 2005 DAVIE -- Dolphins cornerback Patrick Surtain and the Kansas City Chiefs have agreed in principle to a multiyear contract extension that includes an eight-digit signing bonus provided a trade between the teams can be worked out, sources said. The Chiefs reportedly are offering a fourth-round draft choice while the Dolphins are believed to be insistent upon a selection in the first three rounds. Kansas City has its own first- and second-round picks as well as a third-round compensational pick awarded by the NFL that cannot be traded. The Chiefs traded their 2005 third-round pick last season to Philadelphia as part of a package to acquire guard John Welbourn. "If someone else wants to work a business deal for [surtain] to be on their team, fine," Dolphins coach Nick Saban said Thursday. "But we will not compromise on our price. I'm not going to tell you what that is, but it's not to be compromised." Saban gave Surtain permission to shop his services in February after it appeared the three-time Pro Bowl selection would be unable to land the kind of lucrative contract he was seeking from the Dolphins. Surtain is scheduled to earn $5.85 million in 2005, the final season in a four-year contract extension he signed in 2001. "I like Patrick and want him to be on our team," Saban said. "If he's not, it's going to be because it can't work out business-wise. It's as simple as that." Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said last week that his team had interest in Surtain and free-agent cornerback Ty Law. Vermeil hopes to acquire a veteran cornerback before the April 23 draft to help improve the NFL's lowest-ranked secondary in 2004. Surtain had drawn interest from other teams, with Minnesota, Oakland and Seattle among the leading suitors. But no trade was close to happening because of the Dolphins' compensation demands and the fact a contract extension would need to be reached with Surtain, who could become an unrestricted free agent in 2006. The Vikings and Seahawks addressed the need for cornerbacks by signing free agents Fred Smoot and Kelly Herndon, respectively. Surtain carries an $8.4 million salary cap number, which is almost 10 percent of the Dolphins' $85.5 million cap allowance. But Saban said the Dolphins can handle that number and said the franchise tag could be used to retain Surtain's rights for future seasons, although that would place a greater strain on the team's cap. The one-year guaranteed salary for a franchise cornerback in 2005 is $8.8 million and is expected to increase in 2006. "I don't know that we can sign him long-term," Saban said. "It depends on what happens in the future. We can't make it work right now relative to what they want and where we are." Surtain, 28, has been a Dolphins starter since 1999. Reggie Howard and Will Poole are the leading contenders to replace Surtain in the starting lineup if a trade is completed. Alex Marvez can be reached at amarvez@sun-sentinel.com. Ethan J. Skolnick can be reached at eskolnick@sun-sentinel.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 My guess is that KC will pony up the 2nd round pick for him. They should, since Peterson drafts like a blind pool player. That being said, if Miami has no other offers on the table for him, I could see Peterson holding out for the 4th rounder. He's an ass like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Maybe KC and MIA could compromise... KC sends 2nd and 4th MIA sends 3rd and Surtain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Maybe KC and MIA could compromise... KC sends 2nd and 4th MIA sends 3rd and Surtain 761982[/snapback] Peterson, compromise? Makes too much sense to work muck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'canes2004 Posted April 2, 2005 Share Posted April 2, 2005 (edited) My guess is that KC will pony up the 2nd round pick for him. They should, since Peterson drafts like a blind pool player. That being said, if Miami has no other offers on the table for him, I could see Peterson holding out for the 4th rounder. He's an ass like that. 761971[/snapback] No way will Saban just "give him away" for a 4th rounder. The Dolphins are looking at extending his contract to get him under the cap for '05 and then go from there. KC would be getting a great deal on a reliable CB that plays great man on man and is also a sound tackler for only a 2nd rounder. Saban knows this, Surtain knows this, and now Peterson needs to realize if he wants him in KC, he's gonna have to pony up that 2nd rounder. Edited April 2, 2005 by 'canes2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Until KC signs him, I don't want to hear all this other garbage. It's a media ploy by Peterson and he's a proven jack@$$. I'd be willing to give up a 1st for Surtain. We draft like crap and have never had much pan out on our picks anyway. They will surely go for a 2nd. Pull the trigger you f'n moron Peterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnum033 Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 The chiefs better annie up because they face Moss twice a year now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 My guess is that KC will pony up the 2nd round pick for him. They should, since Peterson drafts like a blind pool player. That being said, if Miami has no other offers on the table for him, I could see Peterson holding out for the 4th rounder. He's an ass like that. 761971[/snapback] Agreed Surtain is tier one CB material Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Agreed Surtain is tier one CB material 763094[/snapback] i dont know, hes on the borderline. his numbers aren't outstanding (37.5 tackles 4 INTs). id say he tops the tier two chart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'canes2004 Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 (edited) i dont know, hes on the borderline. his numbers aren't outstanding (37.5 tackles 4 INTs). id say he tops the tier two chart 763102[/snapback] I believe this reflects the fact that most pass plays go away from Surtain and focus more on Maddisen's side. Not to mention they don't have a number for passes broken up as well. He rarely get beats deep and a couple of the times he did this year, that I saw, was due to the poor pass play defense of the Dolphins safeties over the top on deep post routes. I think he'll have an immeadiate impact on KC's pass defense if they have the sack to offer up enough for him. Edited April 3, 2005 by 'canes2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Jesus Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Souns like Peterson is coming to his senses. He's probably had Moss nightmares the last few weeks. I can see Miami getting a 2nd rd pick and then either a 4th or 5th this year or next. Sshhh . . . . Moss just scored again !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilly Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Until KC signs him, I don't want to hear all this other garbage. It's a media ploy by Peterson and he's a proven jack@$$. I'd be willing to give up a 1st for Surtain. We draft like crap and have never had much pan out on our picks anyway. They will surely go for a 2nd. Pull the trigger you f'n moron Peterson. 763020[/snapback] I never did understand this lovefest between L. Hunt and Peterson. Most GMs would have been canned long ago. I agree Hat Trick----Peterson is both a jack@$$ and a moron! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Maybe the Dolphins signing of Mario Edwards means that Peterson is coming around.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Maybe the Dolphins signing of Mario Edwards means that Peterson is coming around.. 765090[/snapback] Or, possibly, Saban is coming around... <shrug> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 I never did understand this lovefest between L. Hunt and Peterson. Most GMs would have been canned long ago. I agree Hat Trick----Peterson is both a jack@$$ and a moron! 765055[/snapback] The lovefest is that the Chiefs net about $35 million dollars a year profit, money that is directly attributed to Carl Peterson. Hunt sucks his nob for that kind of jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 (edited) Here's what I think will happen: The Chiefs will trade down in the first round to try to pick up an extra 2nd round pick. They will then make the trade with Miami for Surtain with their extra 2nd round pick. They may also do this for an extra third rounder, and maybe Miami lets him go for a 3rd rounder. Either way I see KC trading down to get the extra pick to make this happen. Edited April 7, 2005 by Chief Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 So, you're seeing a "draft week" or a "draft day" trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 So, you're seeing a "draft week" or a "draft day" trade? 768509[/snapback] That's my guess. Probably a draft day trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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