General Itals Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Some player who is expected to be drafted high always is left sittting all alone in the green room while others get called before him. Who is it in this years draft? Imo, it could be one of the Qb's(Smith or Rodgers, whoever doesn't get drafted by the 49'ers), but I bet it's Mike Williams. I don't think the Vikings will take him at #7. I think teams have questions about his speed, not to mention how he responds to not playing football for over a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 i think that ALex Smith or Aaron Rogers will end up looking like Marino, waiting and waiting...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I don't think the Vikes will take Williams either. I was surprised to see Fanball predict that not only will they take Williams but they would move up to not lose him. I'm not opposed to taking a receiver or runningback for the first pick like many are, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 It's going to be an exciting and unpredictable draft to see. Dozens of players will flip flop all the way through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I see Smith, Benson and Williams all dropping to at least the mid teens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I see Smith, Benson and Williams all dropping to at least the mid teens... 770129[/snapback] so you're saying that a ton of defense will be picked in the top 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I see Smith, Benson and Williams all dropping to at least the mid teens... 770129[/snapback] I agree with you on Smith and Benson. I think someone will take a risk on Williams, and someone will get a bargain on Benson. This year's QB class sucks, and I wouldn't be suprised it Smith made it out of the teens to the late first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_bone65 Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I think Benson will drop to the mid teens and I hope that Mike Williams does drop to 11 so the Cowboys can get him if Merriman is already gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedroz13 Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 One guy who slid recently because of his speed that comes to mind ...Anquan Boldin. I don't know if you can pass on a guy like Mike Williams because of the speed factor, a guy like Troy Williamson might get drafter earlier than he should because of his 40 times. Every year, same sh**. Guys who make plays in college slide and guys who can run the 40 jump up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpin Johnies Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 One guy who slid recently because of his speed that comes to mind ...Anquan Boldin. I don't know if you can pass on a guy like Mike Williams because of the speed factor, a guy like Troy Williamson might get drafter earlier than he should because of his 40 times. Every year, same sh**. Guys who make plays in college slide and guys who can run the 40 jump up. 770432[/snapback] I couldn't agree more Pedro. Some mocks have the Panthers taking Williamson. If we take that guy I'm gonna be pissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 One guy who slid recently because of his speed that comes to mind ...Anquan Boldin. I don't know if you can pass on a guy like Mike Williams because of the speed factor, a guy like Troy Williamson might get drafter earlier than he should because of his 40 times. Every year, same sh**. Guys who make plays in college slide and guys who can run the 40 jump up. 770432[/snapback] This is true, to a certain extent. However, it's not like speed doesn't matter. There are plenty of "speed" players who had productive NFL careers even though their college play wasn't spectacular. David Terrell and Peter Warrick probably made more big plays in college than Torry Holt and Javon Walker. Holt and Walker ran fast before the draft and showed NFL scouts what they could do. Now, compare the careers of those four players. Do "slow" football players sometimes get drafted too late? Sure -- just like Boldin. Do "fast-40" guys get drafted too high? Absolutely -- just like Donte Stallworth. The truth, however, is that scouting is witchcraft. Speed does kill. Good football players are sometimes good football players no matter how fast they are. That's why scouts get paid to evaluate players and we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 And, by the way, Williamson DID make plays in college -- just not very many because of the offense. Panthers fans should be happy to have him, if they get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 ...this has got me wondering if, lets say, CBs go off the board quickly (ie, the top three -- Rolle, Jones and Rogers -- are off the board in the top 14 picks), any chance KC takes Williamson or Williams at 15? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpin Johnies Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 And, by the way, Williamson DID make plays in college -- just not very many because of the offense. Panthers fans should be happy to have him, if they get him. 770535[/snapback] We have more pressing needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpin Johnies Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 ...this has got me wondering if, lets say, CBs go off the board quickly (ie, the top three -- Rolle, Jones and Rogers -- are off the board in the top 14 picks), any chance KC takes Williamson or Williams at 15? 770582[/snapback] Williams won't be there, but Williamson would make sense for the Chiefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedroz13 Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 This is true, to a certain extent. However, it's not like speed doesn't matter. There are plenty of "speed" players who had productive NFL careers even though their college play wasn't spectacular. David Terrell and Peter Warrick probably made more big plays in college than Torry Holt and Javon Walker. Holt and Walker ran fast before the draft and showed NFL scouts what they could do. Now, compare the careers of those four players. Do "slow" football players sometimes get drafted too late? Sure -- just like Boldin. Do "fast-40" guys get drafted too high? Absolutely -- just like Donte Stallworth. The truth, however, is that scouting is witchcraft. Speed does kill. Good football players are sometimes good football players no matter how fast they are. That's why scouts get paid to evaluate players and we don't. 770532[/snapback] Definitely good points ...I think I am just looking at it this year in particular (draft-wise) and think that Mike Williams is going to be a star, while I could see Troy Williamson being the next A. Hakim or Stalworth, like you said. I do like Troy Williamson (saw the video, looked great), I just couldn't justify drafting him ahead of Mike Williams...or even sleeping on Mike Williams to grab Troy W. later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilly Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I think qb Alex Smith could drop into the second round. I wouldn't take a chance on a "system" qb that put up huge stats in college (Andre Ware, David Klingler, Ty Detmer, etc.) If he wasn't going to be even the 4th best qb going against Eli Manning, Phil Rivers and Rothlesburger, why all of a sudden is he a top 10 prospect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szatzu Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Scotts need to seperate teh workout warriors from the Football players...Mike Willaims is a football player. McPherson is going to cause Smith or Rigers to slide. Personally, I would not draft a Tedford coached QB...Harrington quasi bust...A. Smith...BUST and is even getting his lunch handed to him in NFLE. Pac-man I think he slips. Unless 49ers draft Rolle with the first pick. Benson might slip due to a deal that could be struck with the Cards and the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatness Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 nice try swiss. Torry holt was as dominant in college as now. He still holds many acc records. You don't get drafted 6th by running a fast 40. He had 1600 yards his senior year in COLLEGE! You could tell david terrel would be a bum; look who he had around him: henson, anthony thomas, and about 4 nfl lineman. Holt had nada . But stallworth will be good someday. He was ill in college too. He's been hurt alot. He scored 8 td's as a rookie and had 764 yards and 5 td's last year with a bad hamstring. Peter Warrick played with a heisman winning qb and when weinke missed a game warrick had 1 catch for 7 yards. To predict pro success based on environmental factors discussed above usually works. But lets not forget nfl systems and surrounding talent dictate success as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Greatness, Holt came out as an underclassman...fyi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Personally, I don't get the knock on Mike Williams for his "speed". I'm sure most realize that Williams ran basically the exact 40 times at the combine as the best WR in the 2004 class did. Now, if Mike Clayton can play in the pros with his lack of speed, then the same benefit of the doubt needs to be given to Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkirc Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 I think a lot of the offensive players drop. Every year the mocks seem to have many skill position players going in the top 15, but it never seems to turn out that way. This year, Benson, Williamson, and maybe even Cadillac fall farther than people think. How many teams really need a RB and are willing to spend top ten money on one? Miami and TB? The market for quality RBs seems to be saturated. Travis Henry can't even find a team that will give the Bills anything for him. Benson will slip into the early 20s. Cadillac will last past ten and Williamson could fall to late 20s. It should be an interesting draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Erasmus James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nogohawk Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 I would love to see some of the big names drop to late in the round to the Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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