Big Red Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Stats for first two NFL years: Year Player G Att Comp Pct Yds Y/A Lg TD INT Rating 2003 Boller 11 224 116 51.8 1260 5.6 73 7 9 64 2004 Boller 16 258 464 55.6 2559 5.5 57 13 11 70.9 ???? ???? 11 123 259 47.5 1663 6.4 49 7 14 54.9 ???? ???? 15 214 380 56.3 2598 6.8 73 18 15 76.8 Who is the mystery player? I think the numbers look close. 7 TDs first year in same number of sames. Slightly more TDs than INTs in 2nd year. 55-56% completion in 2nd year. Just under 2,600 yards in 2nd year. Boller now has Mason, Clayton and a healthy Heap/Lewis. Can it only get better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 He's got the tools. This could be his breakout year to put up 3800 yds a la Elway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Was it neccessary to go back 21 years in order to find something that fits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTen Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Stats for first two NFL years: Year Player G Att Comp Pct Yds Y/A Lg TD INT Rating 2003 Boller 11 224 116 51.8 1260 5.6 73 7 9 64 2004 Boller 16 258 464 55.6 2559 5.5 57 13 11 70.9 ???? ???? 11 123 259 47.5 1663 6.4 49 7 14 54.9 ???? ???? 15 214 380 56.3 2598 6.8 73 18 15 76.8 Who is the mystery player? I think the numbers look close. 7 TDs first year in same number of sames. Slightly more TDs than INTs in 2nd year. 55-56% completion in 2nd year. Just under 2,600 yards in 2nd year. Boller now has Mason, Clayton and a healthy Heap/Lewis. Can it only get better? 861633[/snapback] Only problem is that he has no where near the talent or legs that Johnny Boy had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Red Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 Was it neccessary to go back 21 years in order to find something that fits? 861671[/snapback] Actually, I thought of Elways first year while bored at work. Looked up his stats and found both years fit. I know that it is just coincidence, but I thought it odd that they both played 11 games their first year and had similar numbers. Both, of course, where 1st round picks by Baltimore. Both also wear #7, as did Bert Jones, the previous 1st round QB that actually played for Baltimore. Facts that don't mean a darn thing. If Boller does not make the move to the next level this year, he will not be the guarenteed starter. Adding a Mason and Clayton to the mix that already included Heap should help his numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 861675[/snapback] Bledsoe, Romo, Henson, Hutchinson, Vinny, Carter (sniff). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 Only problem is that he has no where near the talent or legs that Johnny Boy had. 861673[/snapback] Well, he, uh, was taken in the first round!!! Yeah, I'm just hoping Boller turns out to be a good QB. I don't expect an Elway like career out of him. Just someone who can bring better than Dilfer performance. The point I was trying to make was that the first two years do not define the career of a QB, or at least I hope they don't in Boller's case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Bledsoe, Romo, Henson, Hutchinson, Vinny, Carter (sniff). 861695[/snapback] No doubt that is very ugly ... I noticed you stopped just short of Aikman. Well, he, uh, was taken in the first round!!! Yeah, I'm just hoping Boller turns out to be a good QB. I don't expect an Elway like career out of him. Just someone who can bring better than Dilfer performance. The point I was trying to make was that the first two years do not define the career of a QB, or at least I hope they don't in Boller's case. 861700[/snapback] Boller = Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Let's take the closest similar number QBs for their first two years that have happened since the advent of the personal computer: Boller Games 11 16pass yards 1260 2559Pass TD 7 13QB rating 64 70.9Tony Banks Games 13 16pass yards 2544 3254Pass TD 15 14QB rating 71 71.5Charlie Batch Games 12 11pass yards 2178 1957Pass TD 11 13QB rating 83.5 84.1 Those are just the other QBs ending in "B" - I could go on. The bottom line to me go back to one of the great truisms in football. A great quarterback can make bad receivers good and good receivers great. But a receiver never makes a bad quarterback good or a good quarterback great. I'm not saying that Boller will not take a step forward with better recievers, but there is nothing to suggest that it will be more than merely a "step". BAL is run first and defense - no escaping that. And Boller has just never shown nearly as much talent as his draft slot suggested. I am all for optimism about the home team, but comparing anyone to HOF Elway is more than a little stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charty Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 (edited) A ridiculously funny story, given the discussion here. Boller pre-draft article First line of the article ....... Kyle Boller is not John Elway. But growing up, it's all he wanted to be. Edited July 1, 2005 by charty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 No doubt that is very ugly ... I noticed you stopped just short of Aikman. Boller = Q 861709[/snapback] What? Except for Aikman, Jones keeps QBs slightly less than he keeps coaches. Come to think of it, Bollers number are very close to Aikman's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 What? Except for Aikman, Jones keeps QBs slightly less than he keeps coaches. Come to think of it, Bollers number are very close to Aikman's. 861730[/snapback] Jones is an idiot he wants to pay Quincy Carter type money for a Peyton Manning type QB. He dreams of finding the next Kurt Warner. ... passing on the bait ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTen Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 What? Except for Aikman, Jones keeps QBs slightly less than he keeps coaches. Come to think of it, Bollers number are very close to Aikman's. 861730[/snapback] Well Boller could be better than Aikman at one thing, commentary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 A ridiculously funny story, given the discussion here. Boller pre-draft article First line of the article ....... Kyle Boller is not John Elway. But growing up, it's all he wanted to be. 861728[/snapback] LOL, that is funny. Now go win a playoff game Boller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Why do I suddenly picture the Monty Python skit with the guard at the bridge. "Come back. It's just a flesh wound" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 ... passing on the bait ... 861737[/snapback] Wasn't bait, look them up. Not trying to start a pissing contest, just hoping that Boller turns out closer to Elway/Aikman than say Jeff George or Bert Jones (hurt early, never recovered). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTen Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Why do I suddenly picture the Monty Python skit with the guard at the bridge. "Come back. It's just a flesh wound" 861745[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Wasn't bait, look them up. Not trying to start a pissing contest, just hoping that Boller turns out closer to Elway/Aikman than say Jeff George or Bert Jones (hurt early, never recovered). 861747[/snapback] Since the QB position is one of the hardest to develop in football you can probably compare Boller's numbers to the first years of any number of great QBs ... as you obviously have. Baltimore isn't a passing team. They win by running the ball and playing strong defense. Granted this was the flavor of the Aikman Cowboy teams too ... but he could throw when it was required and was a very accurate QB that made very few mistakes. When he needed to Aikman and Irvin could have big games. I have my doubts on whether Boller could do it if he needed to ... time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcoach Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 The bottom line to me go back to one of the great truisms in football. A great quarterback can make bad receivers good and good receivers great. But a receiver never makes a bad quarterback good or a good quarterback great. 861711[/snapback] Kind of like Vick and Peerless I guess? Doesn't matter what w/r he's throwing to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Kind of like Vick and Peerless I guess? Doesn't matter what w/r he's throwing to. 861776[/snapback] I remember doing similar comparisons after Kordell's first couple of years at QB. Kyle Boller will not even reach Kordell Stewart's category of QB talent, and the John Elway comparison's As a Steeler Fan, Kyle Boller is possibly my favorite Non-Steeler player in the league.....you guys keep your John Elway in the making, I'll take Big Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 it must be july 1st....a kyle boller thread is getting constant attention.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major-tom Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Well Boller could be better than Aikman at one thing, commentary 861738[/snapback] True dat, though one generally has to have a pretty good career to get a shot at the booth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Messiahs Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 His numbers getting bigger last year had nothing to do with Jamal Lewis being gone, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffian Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 Why do I suddenly picture the Monty Python skit with the guard at the bridge. "Come back. It's just a flesh wound" 861745[/snapback] Wait. Am I hearing that there are people in the world who think Kyle Boller is going to be an elite quarterback? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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