Do you like "equal scoring" rules?

[muck]

Essentially, do you like scoring rules where the top 2 or 3 at each position will score about the same ... and the top 10-12 at each position will score about the same ... etc ...

 

or

 

Do you like scoring rules where the QB will score as much as the starting RBs (as a group, in total) who'll score as much as the starting WRs (as a group, in total), etc.?

 

or

 

Do you like scoring rules where the QBs (or RBs...or whichever position) may score tons more than the others?

 

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I ask because I'm in a new league getting going, and was thinking about this over the past few days...

 

Do I really care where I get the points? No.

Do I really care if the rules allow for a certain position to score significantly more than other positions? I don't think so.

 

Which means that I also shouldn't care if they're all about the same...should I? No...I shouldn't. Actually, it may make some things easier/more interesting if all the top players did score about the same number of points...

 

...so...I kept thinking...

 

What if all the following performances are worth the same number of FF points, is that good?:

QB has 16 completions for 200 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT, with 9 yards rushing on 2 attempts -- an average-to-poor performance for a QB1

RB has 14 attempts for 83 yards, 4 receptions for 10 yards -- an average-to-poor performance for a RB1

WR has 5 receptions for 70 yards -- an average performance for a WR1

TE has 5 receptions for 45 yards -- an average performance for a TE1

PK has 1 28 yard FGs, 1 38 yard FG, 1 PAT and a missed 34 yard FG -- an average-to-poor performance for a PK1

 

What if all the following performances are worth the same number of FF points, is that good?

QB has 30 completions for 380 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INT and has 18 yards rushing on 4 attempts -- a very good performance for a QB1

RB has 26 attempts for 110 yards, 6 receptions for 47 yards and two TDs and a fumble -- a very good performance for a RB1

WR has 9 receptions for 150 yards and a TD -- a very good performance for a WR1

TE has 8 receptions for 120 yards and a TD -- a very good performance for a TE1

PK has 1 34 yard FG, 1 45 yard FG, 1 51 yard FG and 3 PATs -- a very good performance for a PK1

 

...what if the same scoring system was used in both cases above? Is that a scoring system that should be looked at for using in a league?

 

Again,

...do you (should you?) care where I get my points?

...do you (should you?) care when one position scores more than "it should" (whatever that means)?

 

Thoughts?

 

Discuss...this is (for now) a philosophical thread. After some comments, I will put some meat on these bones for you guys to munch on...

[Perchoutofwater]

I'm sober right now, so I can't get into any deep thougths like this, so I'll just say I really don't give a rats ass about what type of scoring is used as long as it is know before the draft, and isn't changed.

[Vet]

I'm sober right now, so I can't get into any deep thougths like this, so I'll just say I really don't give a rats ass about what type of scoring is used as long as it is know before the draft, and isn't changed.

 

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What he said.

[Ralph Furley]

I don't think the scoring matters either as long as you are aware of it before you decide to join the league. I think it all depends on your personal likes/dislikes. For example, I would not want to play in a league where the scoring makes the positions equal. Lets say Witten is the 3rd highest TE, does that mean he should be comparable to Edge in points. No way I think. That just doesn't sound good to me.

[georgemoe]

I'm sober right now, so I can't get into any deep thougths like this, so I'll just say I really don't give a rats ass about what type of scoring is used as long as it is know before the draft, and isn't changed.

 

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Gotta agree with Perch here. I'm not drunk either.

 

Seriously, what he said. You shouldn't have to balance out scoring or map scoring so the top 5 RB's equal the top whatever QB, WR's, etc. Example: I'm going to give RB's 8 pts per TD vs 4 pts for QB's.

 

My local is 6 pts all TD's period.

[The Irish Doggy]

I like it when things are a little more balanced. It makes the draft more intersting IMO. Stud RB theory is so 1999.

[Clubfoothead]

I'm very drunk right now.

 

I like standard scoring. Makes it easier to get my wife to smile when I'm very drunk right now.

[Guest THEbigred]

I like it when things are a little more balanced.  It makes the draft more intersting IMO.  Stud RB theory is so 1999.

 

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Agree w/the mick canine. For ex. RBs are too important as it is, so I like all TDs = 6 pts because it emphasizes QBs more and chills the RB obsessing BS.

 

Also FWIW I've had 4 lite beers. Needless to say, I'm nowhere near drunk. However I do have to pee. brb

[Yukon Cornelius]

I'm sober right now, so I can't get into any deep thougths like this, so I'll just say I really don't give a rats ass about what type of scoring is used as long as it is know before the draft, and isn't changed.

 

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Jesus Christ I agree with perch

 

Oh and I like bacon and big boobs.... Preferably bacon on big boobs when i break my fast

[BS Miscreant]

I'm sober right now, so I can't get into any deep thougths like this, so I'll just say I really don't give a rats ass about what type of scoring is used as long as it is know before the draft, and isn't changed.

 

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Right on!

[billay]

In my local league we are adjusting the scoring system this year. This league email detailed the reasoning. It's relevant here.

The whole point of our scoring system is to have each position weighted so that a good day at one position should score roughly the same number of points as a good day for another position. There were a couple of examples this week that demonstrate, that's not what is going on right now.

 

Chris Brown, the RB for the Titans had an exceptional day yesterday. He rushed for 2 TD's (both longer than 25 yards) and had 150 total yards. He scored 36 fantasy points.

 

Eric Johnson, the TE for San Fran had a great day. He caught 13 passes for 162 yards and caught a 6 yd. touchdown pass. He scored 51 fantasy points. 15 more than Chris Brown.

 

Daunte Culpepper had a monster day on Sunday. He threw and rushed for 400 yards and threw 5 touchdown passes, 3 for 10 yds or less, and 2 for 50 yds. He scored 62 fantasy points. 26 more than Chris Brown.

 

All 3 players had what ought to be considered a "great day" in a fantasy football sense. While I'm not arguing that each of these players should have scored exactly the same thing, I DO think that their scores should have been a little closer to one another.

 

Here are the changes which I am proposing for next year.

1. Passing touchdowns be reduced to 4 points instead of 6. Here's why: A runningback will never rush for 5 touchdowns. Its already been done several times this year by quarterbacks. QB's have more opportunities to score, and frankly, require less effort to do so, therefore their TD's should be worth slightly less.

 

2. TE's recieving yardage reduced from 1 point for every 5 yards to 1 point for every 10. Originally, I set up the TE's this way to make sure that people used them. They are not required in our league and I wanted to give people some extra incentive to play them. Rule changes enacted in the NFL this year have benefited TE's. Thay are more productive, and as a result, do not need the weighted scoring anymore. This change will make them the same as WR's and RB's, both get 1 point for every 10 yards.

 

If these changes were accepted, here is what the players mentioned above would have scored:

 

Chris Brown: 36 points

Eric Johnson: 35 points

Daunte Culpepper: 51 points

 

Please let me know what you think.

 

Edited July 20, 2005 by billay

[Vet]

A TD is a TD, and all TDs should receive the same number of points. For a passing TD, there are two parties involved, the passer and the receiver. So the points should be divided between the two. For a rushing TD, there is no one to share the credit with, so the rusher should get 100% of the points. You should give extra points for TDs over a certain yardage amount such that a 1 yard TD run is not worth more than a 70 yard TD pass and catch.

 

But no way should a QB get the same amount of points for a 5 yard TD pass as a RB gets for a 5 yard TD run. Rushing for a TD roughly 2x as hard as throwing a TD pass. Look at the stats for the top QBs vs. the top RBs over the years. It's about as common for a QB to have 30 TD passes in a year as it is for a RB to have 15 rushing TDs in a year. The RB should be rewarded with more fantasy points per score than the QB.

[Whipdancer]

A TD is a TD, and all TDs should receive the same number of points.  For a passing TD, there are two parties involved, the passer and the receiver.  So the points should be divided between the two.  For a rushing TD, there is no one to share the credit with, so the rusher should get 100% of the points.  You should give extra points for TDs over a certain yardage amount such that a 1 yard TD run is not worth more than a 70 yard TD pass and catch.

 

But no way should a QB get the same amount of points for a 5 yard TD pass as a RB gets for a 5 yard TD run.  Rushing for a TD roughly 2x as hard as throwing a TD pass.  Look at the stats for the top QBs vs. the top RBs over the years.  It's about as common for a QB to have 30 TD passes in a year as it is for a RB to have 15 rushing TDs in a year.  The RB should be rewarded with more fantasy points per score than the QB.

 

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What about the 5 yard pass that turns into the 70 yard TD? How would you handle that?

 

And wouldn't dividing the passing TD be unfair to the WR? How many TD's in a year is good for a WR? Last I checked, about the same as a RB. And the WR usually has to compete against 2 or 3 other WR's for touches, where as the RB usually only has to compete against himself (fumbles and mistakes). So the RB has more opportunity to score.

 

Do you discount the work the QB does before the RB makes his 5 yard run? Or the fact that the RB has a whole line blocking for him. A WR doesn't usually have many blockers.

 

What about the RB that seems to do all his scoring via passes - ala DD, Westbrook, LT? Last I checked, they were typically short passes because these guys were the check-off receiver, not a primary. How would you score those?

 

I can see why you would want to score things differently, I just don't know how you would do it or that it would even accomplish what you may have set out to do.