Shelby Montana

I appreciate Chavez's response because of the way he presented his argument. Disagreement is fine; I can take that. But one thing that really pisses me off about internet message boards is everyone can sit behind their computer and pretend they are an expert or know everything. Who knows who these people are? At least Chavez didn't come right out with a sarcastic, attacking comment like "you must be a genius". I was simply stating my opinion about TT's performance. I'm entitled to mine and you are entitled to yours. Unfortunately, you, piratesownninjas, chose to be an ass when I was simply stating my opinion. By the way, of Thompson's first draft class, 2005, only 6 of the 11 players he drafted are still with the team. Not exactly a high success rate after only two years into the job. I'm not going to go point by point and refute everything you said in response to my response. It's not worth it. But, by the way, piratesownninjas, you mentioned I wrote about the Lions trading up and then you said "I don't need to go on. Yet another stupid point." However, apparently they didn't teach reading at your school, if you went to one, because I also mentioned how the Broncos traded UP last year to grab Cutler, because they thought he was worthy of doing so. That was a point you curiously failed to mention when trying to trash me because I had "stupidly" mentioned the Lions. And no, I never have signed in as another user. I've been a member since 2005 and people like you and posts like this are exactly why I have only 9 posts in 3 years of membership. Above all, piratesownninjas, you have to live with yourself and your own psuedo intellectual thoughts. Thank God the rest of us don't.

I think LT, SJax, Gore, LJ. Not too bad at #4 but I do see LJ a step below the 1st 3.

I guess that's a "newbie" for you...

See, stupid-ass commentary on the msg bds is exactly why I stay away from it. Point #1: But Rodgers WASN'T picked #1, was he? Who was the OC in SF at the time? None other than Mike McCarthy, the Packers HC. So why didn't SF pick Rodgers?? I'm sure McCarthy didn't plan to eventually coach him. Point #2: If a team really wants a QB and thinks a lot of the player, the team will trade up to get him. The Broncos did the same last year in order to draft Cutler. And the same thing has happened in numerous other situations as well. Just this year, the Lions traded up in the 2nd to ensure they got Drew Stanton. Point #3: And to your completely stupid-ass comment about a "long list of players taken after #25" none of those players were EVER in the running for the #1 overall spot were they? Of course a lot of great players have been picked after #25. Not everyone can be picked #1. But players who were thought to have a possibility of going #1 and slid usually have something wrong with them. I made the comment relative to someone who was expecting to go much higher than he did. All the QB's you mentioned have been successful but no one was planning to take them #1, were they? Point #4: The jury will be out on Brady Quinn for a few years. If he doesn't get into camp on time, it will set him back. And, if you look at history my sarcastic dumb-ass pal, history shows a success rate of around 50% for QB's drafted in the 1st round. Go all the way back to 1995 and look at QB's drafted in the 1st and see how many have become successful. To me, a guy that slides 24 spots is someone to stay away from because no one else thought enough of him to jump up and grab him (of the players expected to go much higher). Point #5: The next time you think of posting with your head up your ass, please reconsider...

I have never been a fan of VBD and I don't want to get started on it. (memories of previous posts on other site's msg bds coming back). In the simplest sense, it makes sense to not overpay for something. That is a pretty solid way of thinking. But if you use VBD, and you find yourself with a guy who is available two rounds after he is "supposed" to be picked, you have to ask yourself, "Why is this guy available?" I always use a stock market anology: You want to buy a stock at $20 a share. But it's falling to $16 a share. Great deal, right? Your getting good "value", right? But why is the stock falling? Bad general market? Maybe but most likely it is a foreshadowing of bad things to come. Same thing applies to a player. If someone is available two rounds after his ADP, either he was way overrated or people think his negatives will impact his production more. And while I generally don't favor "following the crowd", sometimes there is a majority of opinion for a very good reason. I guess ADP and VBD have their place but I would not ever base a whole draft on the thing. And to think, some "guys" have based a whole web site on it...

I doubt this happens, no proof, just a feeling. As a life-long Packers fan myself I think 'ol Ted shot his wad on Frank Walker and said "Enough is enough". It's Walker's team now and I'm not sure Frank wants Culpepper on his team. I would have fired Thompson the SECOND after picking Rodgers in '05. There is a reason a guy drops 24 slots. And a Dan Marino comes around only once in a lifetime and we have already seen him. There usually is a very good reason a guy slides that far... Going out and getting Culpepper seems out of character for Thompson. There already is friction between TT and Favre. Getting Culpepper would only increase that. Corey Dillon seems a bit more likely. Not to mention I just don't think Culpepper's style fits the Packers' offense.

Wow! I didn't expect to generate this much spirited debate. Thanks everyone for offering your opinions. I should hang out here more often!

3-year subscriber but RARE msg bd viewer. However, the ranking of Michael Vick so high surprised me. All I read in his write-up was negative stuff. I understand the notation of risk but along with that, the high ranking confuses me. His ranking indicates he should be drafted as a starter (albeit a low-end starter but a starter nonetheless). With all of the questions surrounding him, I'd like to know a bit more about why he still is considered a fantasy starter. I personally would draft him only as a back-up this year in re-draft leagues and see if I could unload him in dynasty leagues. Any questions or comments? DMD??