FastSteve

Well I'm beginning to think I gave too much in the deal, LOL. Deal went through with only Auto Veto jumping on it. So now I have the R1-3, R1-5, R2-3, R3-5, R5-7 picks in a 12 team Dynasty league with 5 round mini draft.

I got a trade on the timer right now with my buddy. He had both Aaron Donald & Fletcher Cox who both retired. So we went with him sending me R1-5 & R3-5 &I sent him R1-7, R3-3 & MIN DL Harrison Phillips. Just over 5 hours to go & the only veto (so far) is the guy I call Auto Veto. He was on it literally in about one minute - obviously has notifications on. I did my due diligence & my buddy if he would just swap out of the first round if I sent him my R2-3 pick & some draft capital next season but he said he wanted to stay in R1 because of how bad he needs an RB. I'm seeing experts mock drafts showing MHJ going to the Chargers. If that is the case I definitely am going to have to make a deal happen for that #1 pick. I have Justin Herbert & I personally like what I call the "Double Dip" with a good QB & one of his top targets. I will likely have to give up plenty to get past the veto gang on that one. I've traded in the past a few times to get the #1 & I think their undies get in a bunch over that I have been able to do that a few times. If this current deal goes through I'm sure there is going to be some annoyance that I've managed to gain an extra R1 pick & I'm managing to "small ball" my way up R1 also. While I would love to swap him the #5 for the #1 I believe that will take DJ Moore to make that happen. I would like to keep Moore. I will give it a shot with Sutton first with next year R2 pick & if he doesn't go for Sutton I will try swapping in Pickens to see if I can get him to bit on moving to #5 W/O me giving up Moore. I'm just going to have to ultimately see where he is at & also will of course be competing ag against other offers for that #1. I will give up Moore if I have to if MHJ ends up on LAC. If he doesn't & it becomes a mountain to get that #1 I think will just stay at #3, holding onto Moore & take either Nabers or Odunze. I can then try to deal Sutton for a bit of a bump in R2 or maybe gain a R3 pick. The guy with #1 needs plenty of help at WR. In a small deal on Sutton I might get the R2-12 or R3-1 out of him for Sutton. My buddy with the #2 pick also has R2-1, R2-11 & R3-2 pick. He could also possible bite on Sutton for one of those picks. Also a possibility I might get the guy with R2-7 & R3-6 picks to bite on him for one of those. I think I have some possibilities on a smaller deal if I don't move on the #1 pick. If I can get MHJ I will just have to figure out which othe LAC WR I'm shipping off already having Palmer & Johnston. Thing is both on young guys who could end up having that year 2 or 3 breakout. Especially with both Allen & Williams gone now. If MHJ ends up on the team & I draft him half my allotment at WR will be LAC. On top of also having Herbert & RB Gus Edwards who now is on the team. I will be heavy on LAC players.

We didn't have position limits to begin with but one or two guys were completely ignoring the IDP stock piling nothing but RB & WR. Not carrying a single defensive backup. Leaving waivers useless for RB & WR. Total roster is 32 with 17 starters & 12 teams. I see plenty of leagues with position limits. Heck I play in 3 leagues & every one of them has position limits. Thanks for the advice. I'll think about which deal I want to make. It would be nice to be able to get MHJ & then getting CW would just be icing on the cake. My priority will be MHJ with CW a bonus if I can pull it off.

Yes I would like Williams & I may get him if the kid doesn't trade up. However I don't think I will feel bad about one of those other QB's. My question is should I trade up to get the #1 to get MHJ? Or just grab Nabers at 3 Who should be? Because of position limits if I take a WR without trading one before the draft I will either have to cut or try to trade off a WR before the start of the season. As I said I don't think the guy with #1 is as a savvy drafted & I believe I might be able to get it without a kings ransom. I'm thinking there are couple of offers that he might take one. I think I can maybe get him to go for either Sutton or maybe Pickens & #3 or maybe DJ Moore & the #5 which I will have once I complete the 7/5 swap with my buddy - he has said he will trade with me, just giving a few days so the veto crew doesn't get their panties in a bunch. I can try to be proactive & also throw in next R3 for his R4 with either of those deals just to try to keep the veto gang at bay. Or I could just make the WR & this year's pick offer & if he takes see if it can through. Stepping up to adding next year's pick if it gets shot down. What do you think, with consideration I would have to drop a WR if I don't trade one? The only early R2 I might be to get for Sutton or Pickens would maybe be the R2-1. Otherwise it will probably be a late R2. Otherwise it might have to an unknown position R2 next year. I trade Sutton or Pickens, I think still have Moore & Waddle along with MHJ. I trade Moore I could have the #1 & 3 picks & likely end up with Williams along with MHJ. What's your take on this?

The trade of me sending 2-10, 5-3 & ATL DB Bates III for 1-7 & 5-7 went through. To keep the veto gang from losing their you know what my buddy & I are waiting a few days before he swaps the 1-5 with me for the 1-7. I may offer him next year's R3 for his R4 for the deal. With wanting to hold onto that R2-3 pick & dealing the 2-10 pick to get the #7 it kind of limits what I can do with this draft. Plus I'm sure me swapping my R3-3 for his R3-5 pick as compensation for swapping two picks up in R1 will not get past the veto gang. My buddy also doesn't have a R2 pick to swap out with me if I wanted to do that. They will lose it over that even though I will only be moving up two spots in the middle rounds. With what I have in R5 now I can only move him 1 spot there. I'm really wondering at this point if I should even try to move up to the #1 or #2. Another buddy has #2 & I told him I might have a trade offer for him. As I said I have a suspicion the kid is trying to get the #2 from him. Which I suspect is to nab a QB - probably Williams. I don't think either of the guys ahead of me are as savy as what you are seeing out there for #1. I think I might be able to get #1 for #3 & either Sutton or Pickens with maybe a pick swap next year or get the 1 for 5 with DJ Moore. Or get the #2 for 5 with maybe Sutton or Pickens. I go for #2 I most likely miss out on MHJ. Of course any such trade has to survive the veto period. And if I trade for #1 that is leaving 2 out there for the kid to nab & jump me on QB. I'm thinking maybe I deal #5 for #2, block the kid, take Nabers & grab Williams with #3. Though the kid could potentially deal AJB then to get #1. Of course if he deals AJB & gets the #1 he may pivot from KW to MHJ thus leaving me KW. Thoughts with the idea I will convert the #7 into the #5 giving the #3 & #5 picks & having the early R2 pick at 2-3 in 12 team league.

As I suspected he wasn't going for both Goff & AJB. So moved to just AJB but after several back & forths we are stalled at the moment. In the meantime I made a smaller deal that just has to get through the veto period of 24 hours. The guy didn't do great at DB. So I offered He sends 1-7 & 5-7 I send 2-10, 5-3 & DB ATL Jessie Bates III Remember we only do 5 rounds. I looked up Bates. While he did finish 3rd this past season the previous 2 seasons were weak. So actually probably no big loss for me. As long as this trade processes I can then "small ball" it with a small deal with buddy & swap that 7 for #5. If I'm going QB with my second R1 pick I need to get ahead of the guy at 6 as there a strong chance he goes QB. Also I have a strong suspicion that the kid I'm stalled with is also talking with the guy at #2 & my suspicion is he trying to move up to get Kaleb Williams. So if he does that I want to try to make sure only one QB at most is off the board by my second pick. I will still have my R2-3 pick & I figure that will be good for an RB & then my R3-3 go for an LB. So Big Country what do you think of the trade I did get? With the plan of converting the 7th into #5 what do think about still going after the #1? Two ways I can try. I could offer either Sutton or Pickens & #3 or DJ Moore & #5. I KNOW he wants/needs a WR. Or should I just stay put at #3 & presumably take Nabers & then hopefully get KW at #5 or maybe JJ McCarthy.

If he will only go for one of those players I'm going for AJB. Because it gives me a few options after dealing #11 to move up to #5. It is going to take a bit more to get that #1 with #5. I can package DJ Moore & If he takes it I can then draft MHJ & grab a QB with #10. If I can't get #1 I can either load up on WR if one of the 3 are there at 5 & get a QB at 10. Or go QB at 5 & either go RB at 10 or if Bowers is there take him. There also is the possibility get one of the 3 WR at 5, if QB go light by 10 I could go either Bowers if still there or RB & then QB with R2-3. I think going AJB if I can only get one player out of him gives me more options over Goff. Also given the value on QB in this league & his lack of depth at the position my gut say he goes for AJB before Goff. In which case I can pivot back to Hooker to him to bulk up my end. I appreciate you taking the time to talk this out with me. Thanks

Let me clarify because I think I probably have you thinking different than what I was trying to say. I left out the dash -. We don't have 11 rounds. We only draft 5 rounds. What I was trying to say is He sends me the R1-10 & 11 picks (not a round 10 & 11 - not sure you were clear on that the way I realized I typed that), DET Goff, PHI AJB For R1-3, R5-3, NYG QB Jones, DEN Sutton - move up to Pickens if necessary, possibly move the R5-3 pick up to R3-3 (I have no R4 this year)

That's an interesting thought. I have doubts he goes for that. While he does like to trade you will often have to go back & forth with him a dozen times to get a deal done. If he does go for it, no way I'm getting both of those R1 picks out of him. Which I absolutely understand. Don't get way greedy & get no deal at all. But for both those players I can see him not wanting to also throw in either R1 pick. At least probably without me throwing in next year's R1 or at least R2. I try to stay in those first 2 rounds. Then of course there is the other issue that I just cant stand & feel it is poor sportsmanship. People use the veto vote as a strategic tool to block others from getting what they think might be too strong of a team for them to beat. What do you think I float him He sends R10/11, QB Goff, WR AJB I send R1-3, R5-3, NYG Jones, DEN WR Sutton, If he bits awesome. Then I worry about the rest of the league being little you know what's. If he doesn't I can jump the R5-3 up to R3-3 or swap in Pickens over Sutton. For that deal where I get both of those R1 picks I would go as far as with Jones, giving both Sutton & Pickens with the R5-3 pick & even move that up to the R3-3 pick. Only thing is going this route will require reworking the deal to move up to #5 as I would have been sending him the R4-5 pick which would have been coming to me for trading Hooker. What do you think? If I can get both guys & both those R1 picks is it worth going as much as the R1-3, Jones, Sutton, Pickens & the R3-3 pick if that's what it takes? What if he wants next years R2 for say his R3 or R4? If he doesn't ask for R2 or 3 next year I may end up having to throw one in just to satisfy the rest of the league that I'm not getting to much of a payoff on my end. I have had to do that type of thing in the past. Got a deal agreed to that I felt good about only to have to throw in more than what my trade partner settled for. If I can only wrestle one player from him which one do I go for? Goff or AJB?

So you like the idea better of trying to get Goff instead of AJ Brown? Of course at that point I would throw Jones in. Only way I MIGHT get him to go with it as he other QB are G Smith from SEA who may be looking to do something after aquiring Howell. Then he has Zach Wilson who looks to be all but done. He will have to be willing to use that #3 on a QB if he makes the deal. If he won't go for trading Goff, do you like the idea of going after AJB? As I said that would make me solid at WR. I all but have a deal in place to then move back up to #5. At 5 I might still be able to get one of those WR you named. However we can only play 3 WR with the flex. I could then aim for a QB with the #10 pick (should still get one within the top 4-5 ranked, if things fall good maybe the #3 QB) use the R2-3 pick for an RB & R3-3 for an LB like I mentioned & then would be picking again at R3-5. I think this could be another good way to build overall team depth. Honestly my gut tells me I'm more likely to get him to deal AJB before Goff.

Something to add with the QB situation. To keep in mind. Looks like LV O'Connell is going to lose out to Minshew, DET Hooker isn't even going to sniff starting unless Goff is injured, TEN Levis isn't going to cut it for any long term needs (TEN is terrible) & there is a LOT of smoke around NYG Jones. He seems to have little security in terms of being locked in as the starter & with guaranteed money that affects the c regardless of injury NYG seem to be seeking other options by all reports. I think that #2 QB is becoming increasingly important & more of an issue at this point. Pass TD are 6 & point per completion, loss of 2 points for INT but no loss for sacks. At this point it is looking like if Herbert gets hurt again I will be done.

Given the format of your league I think you have the right idea.

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Too much going on in life. Anyway tried to swing a deal which would have been I send R1-3, R3-3 & R5-3 for R1-8, R2-2 & R2-5. That isn't going to happen. So now I'm going to hit up the guy with the R1-10/11 picks who came calling for #3 & pointed out he has two R1's. After I talked to him about a small deal of QB DET Hooker & R5-3 for his R4-5, he has Goff & Z Wilson who's useless as a back. At least this way the backup QB is the actual backup to his starter. Anyway I'm going hardball at him. I send R1-3 R3-3(he has no R3 currently), R5-3, DEN WR Sutton, will switch out to Pickens if needed (which WR would be your first choice to include in the trade?), DET QB Hooker He gives R1-10 & 11, R4-5, PHI WR AJ Brown. I'll sweeten the deal a little bit somehow if I have to. I'm telling him w/o Brown in it I won't make the deal because I'm all but guaranteed to miss out on my top 6 to 7 guys trading down to those spots. This way I won't need a WR either. I would be sitting with Brown, DJ Moore & Waddle backed up by LAC Palmer & Johnston & either Pickens or Sutton. I'm pretty sure he probably wants whichever QB (likely Caleb Williams) Bears draft, he's in the Chicago area & is solid at RB, WR & TE & not desperate at any of them. With that in mind I have deal set to trade back up to #5 if I can complete this deal (he only knows what picks I will have to offer him. The deal that is agreed to is I send R1-11, R2-10, R4-5 He sends R1-5, R3-5, R4-8 While it will be a longer shot with #5 that still leaves me CHANCE to make a play at the #1 pick in trade. Although then I really don't need to do so because then I wouldn't need a WR & the idea of #1 would be to get MHJ. I can do it if I feel Caleb Williams is really worth it. At 5 I can get that QB & #10 I could get an RB or Bowers if he is there - though I don't really need TE with BAL Andrews & GB Musgrave. I think I will probably be able to get 3rd ranked RB there given what I expect in the draft, 4th at absolute worst. Then with R2-3 I should be able to get either the #1 or 2 ranked LB. I think these moves will help build the most depth I will be able to get. What do you think about that plan?

For the value Moore at only an 8th. It is obvious at this point CHI is set to move on from Fields. While they will be a rookie whether it is Williams or one of the other couple of top choices they are bound to pass more than Fields who is a running QB. Means more volume for Moore. Plus Moore has proven many times now he can produce with a so-so QB. I play in a full PPR with the typical point for 10 yards rush/rec, have Moore & he finished 6th among WR. For a guy that should finish in top 10 I like that value.

BC I would really like to hear your thoughts on those thoughts I threw out there. I know you said the draft is not for some time & I'm overthinking it but trust me the trade offers are flying in this league & if I sit around waiting trades could happen that will kill deals I might have been able to make otherwise. If I make that move down deal I get a top WR with plenty left in the tank & a promising young TE. If he doesn't want to go for that deal I can try to sweeten it with a R3 or R2 from next year for his R4. I wouldn't have to be focused on WR or TE. I could then be looking at RB & QB. Then there is that deal idea with PIT Harris if I get other deal done. I'm confident I could move him & either the R1-10 or 11 with one of the teams that has R1-4, 5 or 6. All need help at RB. R1-6 probably the least of them. Guy with the 5th is a best friend who is considered family. I had a conversation with him & know his focus will be RB. So I'm pretty sure I can get him to swap picks & get back to the 5th pick & get either my 2nd or 3rd choice RB at 5 & then get somewhere between my 2nd to 4th choice at QB with either the 10th or 11th pick. Then I can likely get the best LB at that R2-3 pick. If Harris isn't enough to get him to swap with me I could offer my R2-10 pick for his R3-5 pick. He has no R2 pick this year. I think making these two deals & that draft plan would give me the chance for the strongest OVERALL team. Or do you feel that strong about MHJ that I should wait for the guy with #1 to "open the door for business" & make my play for that pick, make it happen & take MHJ? You really are in tune with FF so I would love to hear your thoughts, please & thank you so much.