MojoMan Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) See related linky. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12277578/ I am the first to admit that I am a real dumb dumb with regard to most international affairs. So, maybe there's a really simple explanation here. The United States, ex-Soviet Union, China, France, England, India, and Pakistan (at a minimum) have nukes. I don't know if we've stopped making them but I kinda doubt it. I believe that the nukes are for national defense. Nobody told us we have to stop making and improving our nukes during the Cold War. So, why is it that other countries (even though they're bad persons) like N. Korea and Iraq are not allowed to make nukes to provide for their own defense? I do not support those Chers making nukes. But, since the G8 countries always have to "play fair" how is this fair? Edited April 12, 2006 by MojoMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 because we do not harbor ill feeling towards a jewish state and threaten that it should be wiped off the face of the earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I do not support those Chers making nukes. But, since the G8 countries always have to "play fair" how is this fair? 1416973[/snapback] I raised this issue a couple of days ago, in the context of "wouldn't you be a bit annoyed if you lived there and America sate here with all our nukes telling you that you can't make your own?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoMan Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 because we do not harbor ill feeling towards a jewish state and threaten that it should be wiped off the face of the earth. 1416976[/snapback] So, if Iran rescinded their public plans to that end, we'd let them build them? Not trying to be sarcastic here but it seems kinda self righteous on our part to decide who can and who cannot build them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 because we do not harbor ill feeling towards an iraqi state and threaten that it should be wiped off the face of the earth. 1416976[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 So, if Iran rescinded their public plans to that end, we'd let them build them? Not trying to be sarcastic here but it seems kinda self righteous on our part to decide who can and who cannot build them. 1416985[/snapback] of course it is but we are America and we can do whatever the :edit: we want. That's the problem with our government. I love my country completely but we are hypocrites. Personally all nuclear devices both weapons and power plant wise should be removed off of the face of this planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoMan Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 of course it is but we are America and we can do whatever the :edit: we want. That's the problem with our government. I love my country completely but we are hypocrites. Personally all nuclear devices both weapons and power plant wise should be removed off of the face of this planet. 1417018[/snapback] Thanks cliaz. I was hoping it wasn't that but figgered it was. However, given the @$$holiness of the "rogue" nations, a good argument can be made that it is the right thing to do from a national security perspective. It just seems a little hypocritical, as you pointed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) Thanks cliaz. I was hoping it wasn't that but figgered it was. However, given the @$$holiness of the "rogue" nations, a good argument can be made that it is the right thing to do from a national security perspective. It just seems a little hypocritical, as you pointed out. 1417027[/snapback] Wouldn't it be in the whole world's best interest that Iran doesn't start making nukes? It is self righteous for us to demand they don't have nukes, but it is also in everyone's self interest. It's scary enough having N. Korea with the Nuke. Edit: Don't get me wrong, I wish no one had it. Edited April 12, 2006 by thecerwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Wouldn't it be in the whole world's best interest that Iran doesn't start making nukes? It is self righteous for us to demand they don't have nukes, but it is also in everyone's self interest. 1417041[/snapback] Agreed. It's also certainly not in the world's best interests for us to have nukes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Agreed. It's also certainly not in the world's best interests for us to have nukes. 1417050[/snapback] my sentiment exactly. The only problem is that we do and that is not likely to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 sometimes you just have to sit back and wonder where we has humans are going. We spend all this money and time into inventing things and yet 80% of it is to kill. Could you imagine what this world would be like if everything we did was in the best interest of man kind? We could end world hunger, clean up the environment, help the 3rd world countries better themselves. (if they wanted thehelp.) I always think back to the 3 weeks right after Sept. 11th where no matter where you went in the US (as long as you were not middle eastern.) everyone loved and helped everyone. Nuclear technology is the greatest threat that has ever been created by man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 And here I think a nuclear power plant should be on every street corner to rid us of our dependence on oil. I'd love a nuclear-powered Vette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahov Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I'd have to disagree with much of the sentiment on this thread. Several countries have nukes, and have had them for a great deal of time (India and Pakistan being newer additions). Yeah it would be nice if they were never devloped, but they were so its a dead end point. The development of our nuke program was a necessity to win the cold war, which we did. Is anyone going to argue that this was a bad thing? It seems like several of you are putting the US and Iran on equal footing, which is completely ridiculous. The US is the greatest country on this planet, for a variety of reasons. We have and do operate with a higher level of respect for human life than any other country, save our western allies. The fact we are the predominant world power necessitates our involvement in things such as this, both from a national security and a world stability standpoint. Just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 The development of our nuke program was a necessity to win the cold war, which we did. Is anyone going to argue that this was a bad thing? 1417106[/snapback] I had a Political Science prof a couple years ago who did argue that America was in the wrong during the cold war. He was a socialist crap hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Playing fair isnt right. I dont want anyone to have nukes but us...for me and my family safety. Do whatever it takes to stop them. I dont care about fair or not but I know USA will not nuke NYC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 sometimes you just have to sit back and wonder where we has humans are going. We spend all this money and time into inventing things and yet 80% of it is to kill. It's called bargaining power. Iraq didn't have nukes, we invaded them. North Korea got nukes, we negotiate with them. Could you imagine what this world would be like if everything we did was in the best interest of man kind? Yeah, real boring. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoMan Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 Playing fair isnt right. I dont want anyone to have nukes but us...for me and my family safety. Do whatever it takes to stop them. I dont care about fair or not but I know USA will not nuke NYC. 1417123[/snapback] I agree. I just think it's funny how we talk out of both sides of our mouths. We're for truth, justice, and fairness on one hand; on the other we'll decide who can defend* themselves and who can't. *Extrapolation of the notion that nukes are necessary for self defense which, I suppose, is debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Now we have adm sources telling the Germans Iran can have a nuke in 16 days. All reports I have read say they are 8-10 years away. The Germans won't fall for this, and if we have any credibility left lying again won't help. Sure, a gop[her can get a nuclear weapon too if all the chips fall the right way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 We have and do operate with a higher level of respect for human life than any other country, save our western allies. The fact we are the predominant world power necessitates our involvement in things such as this, both from a national security and a world stability standpoint. 1417106[/snapback] I don't disagree with the second sentence here. The first sentence, I'm not sure about. Especially considering the next door neighbor to the country with the new nukes has a different take on our "higher level of respect for human life". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I understand what you all are saying. believe me, it's a far better than that we keep nukes just for the sake of expression of power. Yes we are the worlds only super power. I always have this fairy tale vision of humanity coming together and working towards bettering ourselves but it is in our nature to rage war, to be agressive. After all, we are a predator, the top of the food chain so to speak and because of that we are agressive by nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUGH Man Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Yes we are the worlds only super power. 1417143[/snapback] China is nipping at our heels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I would just bomb their nuclear facilities... Good thing im not the prez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Good thing im not the prez. 1417154[/snapback] I disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 China is nipping at our heels. 1417152[/snapback] I read an interesting article about China. They have more people than us but their growth is too fast and their quality of war machines are substantially lower than the great powers. They dont have the ships to carry all those souldiers abroad, they dont have enough carriers to carry their out of date aircraft over. This article was writte a year ago. I will try to find it and post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 As long as any war between the US and China stays on the open seas or the islands around China we will be okay. If somehow they managed to put troops on our soil it will be hell. Though I'm sure every red blooded american would be putting sand bags on their front pourch and dusting off the old shot gun. Heh...just imagine china invading South Centeral LA. The Bloods, the Crips and MS-13 would hold them off for months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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