Yankees/Phillies Options

[theprofessor]

Until MLB sacks up and has a salary cap the Yankee's 2 championships this past 10 years will always be viewed as tainted.

[isleseeya]

This further proves the point. The Yankees have a payroll that is close to 70 Million higher than the 2nd highest payed team. It is baseball's fault, not the Yankees, but, my point still stands. They should be embarrassed if they don't win with that large of an advantage.

exactly ...70 million more gets you a whole lot more say texiera , cc and burnett with still many millions to spare

the yankees would not have made and won WS without those 3

[SLAYER]

exactly ...70 million more gets you a whole lot more say texiera , cc and burnett with still many millions to spare

the yankees would not have made and won WS without those 3

I love when Met fans whine.

[isleseeya]

I love when Met fans whine.

and i love when Yankee fans don't have a clue or want to face the facts

This post has been edited by isleseeya: 11/5/09 8:08pm

[SLAYER]

and i love when Yankee fans don't have a clue or want to face the facts

I have a clue tha Yankees are world Champions and that is a fact. Go ask any Philly fan. what fact do you want me to face that they spent more money than anyone else and bought the best SP and 1b. yea so what that is #27 for those of you counting. Giradi is going to have to change his # to 28 next year.

[isleseeya]

I have a clue tha Yankees are world Champions and that is a fact. Go ask any Philly fan. what fact do you want me to face that they spent more money than anyone else and bought the best SP and 1b. yea so what that is #27 for those of you counting. Giradi is going to have to change his # to 28 next year.

Yes it is a fact ... but the biggest fact is that the yankees buy their success ...numbers and payroll dont lie do they ?

if i own a ferrari and you own a honda and we race , i will win every time ( or i should win every time ) ...does that mean i should stick my chest out get all puffy and obnoxiously and arrogantly scream i am the winner ...no , i am suppose to win and understand that i won because i have a 200000 sports car and you have a honda

see if you can understand that ...rather than go after mets fans , yankee fans should learn a little humility and understand more where there success is coming from ( georgies wallet ) and how they achieved it

This post has been edited by isleseeya: 11/5/09 8:25pm

[SLAYER]

Yes it is a fact ... but the biggest fact is that the yankees buy their success ...numbers and payroll dont lie do they ?

if i own a ferrari and you own a honda and we race , i will win every time ( or i should win every time ) ...does that mean i should stick my chest out get all puffy and obnoxiously and arrogantly scream i am the winner ...no , i am suppose to win and understand that i won because i have a 200000 sports car and you have a honda

see if you can understand that ...rather than go after mets fans , yankee fans should learn a little humility and understand more where there success is coming from ( georgies wallet ) and how they achieved it

I didn't go after you I just said I love when ya'll whine. Now if you can't take that well just take your blanky and put your panties on and go to bed.

oh by the way I'm one of the least arrogant Yankee fan around and I think I have acknowledged where the Championship came from, but you still sound a little bitter

This post has been edited by SLAYER: 11/5/09 8:57pm

[isleseeya]

I didn't go after you I just said I love when ya'll whine. Now if you can't take that well just take your blanky and put your panties on and go to bed.

no problem but i did want to make some pts that many Yankee fans like to ignore

[Chief Dick]

Time to take off the homer glasses and speak what I believe to be the truth:

1. There is payroll disparity in baseball.

2. High payroll does not guarantee playoff success.

3. It is possible to be a small market team and win a World Series.

4. The World Series winners since 1990:

2009 New York Yankees
2008 Philadelphia Phillies
2007 Boston Red Sox
2006 St. Louis Cardinals 11th in payroll that year
2005 Chicago White Sox 13th in payroll that year
2004 Boston Red Sox
2003 Florida Marlins
2002 Anaheim Angels 15th in payroll that year
2001 Arizona Diamondbacks
2000 New York Yankees
1999 New York Yankees
1998 New York Yankees
1997 Florida Marlins
1996 New York Yankees
1995 Atlanta Braves
1993 Toronto Blue Jays
1992 Toronto Blue Jays
1991 Minnesota Twins
1990 Cincinnati Reds

Payroll disparity is NOT an excuse to not be competitive. Well-run ORGANIZATIONS, which include the minor leagues, give you a chance to win.

HOWEVER--Large market teams can afford to buy their way out of mistakes. Small market teams CANNOT. THIS is what makes the difference.

[isleseeya]

Time to take off the homer glasses and speak what I believe to be the truth:

1. There is payroll disparity in baseball.

2. High payroll does not guarantee playoff success.

3. It is possible to be a small market team and win a World Series.

4. The World Series winners since 1990:

2009 New York Yankees
2008 Philadelphia Phillies
2007 Boston Red Sox
2006 St. Louis Cardinals 11th in payroll that year
2005 Chicago White Sox 13th in payroll that year
2004 Boston Red Sox
2003 Florida Marlins
2002 Anaheim Angels 15th in payroll that year
2001 Arizona Diamondbacks
2000 New York Yankees
1999 New York Yankees
1998 New York Yankees
1997 Florida Marlins
1996 New York Yankees
1995 Atlanta Braves
1993 Toronto Blue Jays
1992 Toronto Blue Jays
1991 Minnesota Twins
1990 Cincinnati Reds

Payroll disparity is NOT an excuse to not be competitive. Well-run ORGANIZATIONS, which include the minor leagues, give you a chance to win.

HOWEVER--Large market teams can afford to buy their way out of mistakes. Small market teams CANNOT. THIS is what makes the difference.

I agree especially the part that is now in bold

Slayer , you edited the quote and still throwing some digs ..not sure why ...Am i bitter ? no ...just aggravated as i have spent most of my life around Yankee fans that do not have a clue and are arrogant ... Never heard one of them say " i am happy we won the title and spent what we had to to get it done or something like that " ... the arrogance and air about most ( and i mean most ) of Yankee fans is truly remarkable as is there lack of understanding as to why the vast majority of true baseball fans dislike their mannerisms

now i am done ...enjoy the title

This post has been edited by isleseeya: 11/5/09 9:25pm

[Chief Dick]

I agree especially the part that is now in bold

Slayer , you edited the quote and still throwing some digs ..not sure why ...Am i bitter ? no ...just aggravated as i have spent most of my life around Yankee fans that do not have a clue and are arrogant ... Never heard one of them say " i am happy we won the title and spent what we had to to get it done or something like that " ... the arrogance and air about most ( and i mean most ) of Yankee fans is truly remarkable as is there lack of understanding as to why the vast majority of true baseball fans dislike their mannerisms

now i am done ...enjoy the title

You have to remember isle, that people that root for large market teams cannot understand what it's like to be a fan of a small market team, and conversely fans of small market teams don't understand what's it's like to be a fan of a large market team. They are mutually exclusive fan bases.

You cannot judge what you yourself cannot understand. I find myself guilty of this all the time.

[Zooty]

You have to remember isle, that people that root for large market teams cannot understand what it's like to be a fan of a small market team, and conversely fans of small market teams don't understand what's it's like to be a fan of a large market team. They are mutually exclusive fan bases.

You cannot judge what you yourself cannot understand. I find myself guilty of this all the time.

I don't see how he could understand since he's a Mets and Giants fan. Last I checked, they are both Large Market teams.

A Mets/Giants fans calling other fans arrogant

Seriously though, I like you and you aren't like that but really...

[Chief Dick]

I don't see how he could understand since he's a Mets and Giants fan. Last I checked, they are both Large Market teams.

A Mets/Giants fans calling other fans arrogant

I hear you. Trust me, the irony is not lost on me.

[Ursa Majoris]

I hear you. Trust me, the irony is not lost on me.

What Minnesota manage to get done on one third of the Yanks payroll is more impressive than any amount of bought championships.

[whomper]

While I knew posting the salaries fortified the argument I did so for Isle purposes. While I agree 70 Mil is a big number you still have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball so there is some slight hypocrisy no ?

Until baseball gets a cap this is just the way it is.

edit to add: Face it Isle your just a hater The day I met you you had one of the best lines I have heard in a long time. You said if the Yankees were playing Al Queda you werent sure who you would root for

This post has been edited by whomper: 11/6/09 10:12am

[General Itals]

What Minnesota manage to get done on one third of the Yanks payroll is more impressive than any amount of bought championships.

What does the 8th place trophy look like?

As a bonus prize, I'll give you one guess as to which owner is personally the wealthiest.

[jackshi17]

One small point is that baseball management is a business.

The Yankees can be compared to Wal-Mart and small market teams to mom and pop stores.

The Yankees put a high priced product on the market and sell tickets. About 4 million tickets a year. Some tickets as much as $2500 per game.
Just check how much attendence in small markets increases during that weekend series when the Yankees come to town.

They also have their own TV division (YES) that promotes their product.

They also pay a luxury tax to the small market teams every year because they overspend on salaries.

The Yankees spend a lot of money every year and make a lot of money each year. Thsi is "capitalism" and is one of the foundations of the American system. Is it fair? Just as fair as the operation of Microsoft, IBM etc. Does Bill Gates hire the best at outrageous salaries?

They don't win every year but I don't see how you can fault them for doing business the "American" way.

[Ursa Majoris]

As a bonus prize, I'll give you one guess as to which owner is personally the wealthiest.

You know he's dead, right?

[General Itals]

You know he's dead, right?

I wonder if he was buried with it all since he didn't blow it on the Twins?

[Zooty]

What Minnesota manage to get done on one third of the Yanks payroll is more impressive than any amount of bought championships.

I was gonna get you some grapes to go with that but they're probably sour and bitter

[piratesownninjas]

I think it's funny that people are mad at the yankees for doing whatever it takes to win. People should be more upset with the likes of the pirates.

[Zooty]

I think it's funny that people are mad at the yankees for doing whatever it takes to win. People should be more upset with the likes of the pirates.

+10000000000

its even funnier when it comes fro Brewers fans

[whoawhoa]

One small point is that baseball management is a business.

The Yankees can be compared to Wal-Mart and small market teams to mom and pop stores.

The Yankees put a high priced product on the market and sell tickets. About 4 million tickets a year. Some tickets as much as $2500 per game.
Just check how much attendence in small markets increases during that weekend series when the Yankees come to town.

They also have their own TV division (YES) that promotes their product.

They also pay a luxury tax to the small market teams every year because they overspend on salaries.

The Yankees spend a lot of money every year and make a lot of money each year. Thsi is "capitalism" and is one of the foundations of the American system. Is it fair? Just as fair as the operation of Microsoft, IBM etc. Does Bill Gates hire the best at outrageous salaries?

They don't win every year but I don't see how you can fault them for doing business the "American" way.

Do they have revenue sharing for TV in baseball? do the yanks have to share their cable money with other teams like in football? please advise

[Big John]

Do they have revenue sharing for TV in baseball? do the yanks have to share their cable money with other teams like in football? please advise

Only network revenue (ESPN, TBS, Fox) is shared. The Yankees don't share money they get in their cable contract.