Here is the basic information we have decided on, more details will follow.

Format
- Keeper
- Auction Draft
- Head 2 Head Competition
- Live Draft 8/20/07 6pm
- Draft Location: Jon's Bar & Grille 3rd & South St. Philly
- 14 League Members
- $100 league fee ($50 upfront for next yr)
- Fee due date: $50 partial payment due July 15 2007, balance at draft
- Prize Format: H2H Standing 1st, 2nd & 3rd place. Total Pts. Weekly High Score
- Commissioner = Andrew, Co-Commissioner = Neil, Co-Commissioner = Unknown (league votes will be used to decide many matters)
- League Website Service: UNKNOWN (Will be decided after all rules/by laws are determined)

Draft
- Draft cap $250
- Nomination format
- 4 Keepers
- 25% or $5 keeper increase per year (whichever is highest. $1-$19 players will go up by $5, $20+ will go up by 25%)
- Min Bid $1
- Bid Increment $1

Roster
- 1 QB
- 2 RB
- 3 WR
- 1 TE
- 1 Flex (RB, WR or TE)
- 1 PK
- 1 DEF
- 1 IR spot
- Minimum Roster for draft is 20
- No position max (Example: after the starting roster above, you can have 10 QB's on staff)

Waivers
- blind bid
- In Season lock 2 days
- Off season lock 2 weeks
- Player dropped must clear waivers b4 previous owner can acquire

Scoring
OFFENSE
- Pass TD = 6
- Rec TD = 6
- Rush TD = 6
- Rec = 1
- Rush yds = .10
- Rec yds = .10
- Pass yds = .05
- Int = -2
- FumL = -2
- FG <40 = 3, 40-49 = 4, 50-59 = 5, 60+ = 6
- FG Miss <40 = -1
- XP = 1
- XP miss = -1
DEFENSE
- DEF/SP TD = 6 (when a kick has occured, it is SP)
- INT = 2
- FR = 2
- Sack = 1
- Safety = 2
- O pts allowed = 5
- 1-6 pts allowed = 2
- 7-13 pts allowed = 1

5 of us (Bob C., Bob Nagle, Neil, Adam & Andrew) decided on the above format. Several of the 5 have never done an auction before, however, all rules of the draft will be provided in advance, and further instructions given upon request and at draft time.

Many more rules & details will be provided over time. However, we believe the details above can help you decide if you are interested in giving the league a shot.

This league is being designed with alot of competition & fun in mind. Lots of strategy, long-term involvement and very little luck is what we hope for. We would like those who expressed interest to join the league, however, if you don't see yourself sticking around more than a year, or prefer a more basic format, than we understand and appreciate if you pass on this league.

Several people have asked so I'll throw this out.

The bar we will have the draft at, is run by some of my family. We will be given a private area upstairs which can accomodate more than 14, and we'll have this quiet place to run our draft. However, we will have waitress access and a tv. They even have some plugs for your laptops, if you bring one, no internet access though.

I believe we should have it so you can change lineups for another player up until 5 minutes before the kickoff of their game time.

This is Erik, a friend of Neil's. I am in. I also sent you an email to confirm.

This is Drew C. here... I talked to Neil about joining the league. Im in

is 25 passing yards = 1 pt more standard then 20 passing yards = 1 pt?

yeah 1 point for 25 yards is more standard than every 20 yards.

i support 1 pt/25 yards (.04 per yard) also - especially if we're having 6 pts per passing TD.

hey phillyraiderfan & pip's - how about introducing yourself in the other thread...

What other thread? I didn't have a Huddle account before being shown this thread.

ETA: I found it, thanks.

I prefer that too, though I could live with 1 per 20 if I had to.

So we have to buy at least 20 players, but we can buy more than that?

Roster limit of 20 for the draft and you must draft 20. 20 man roster during the season with 1 IR spot.

Website is in development. At this point we will be using MFL (My Fantasy league). Once your payment is received, I will be in touch with the league site information.

Just a question. with 14 teams, I assume a 13 game regular season. Is it going to be a single league table of 14, or 2 divisions of 7.

Top 6 make the playoffs (weeks 14, 15 & 16) with the top 2 (Division winners?) getting byes.

considering we play everyone once i think that 1 division is the way to go to eliminate the "luck factor" of dividing into 2 divisions..

brian - are you in?

Yes, sent my $$$ to Andrew last night.

Draft
- Draft cap $250
- Nomination format
- 4 Keepers
- 25% or $5 keeper increase per year (whichever is highest. $1-$19 players will go up by $5, $20+ will go up by 25%)
- Min Bid $1
- Bid Increment $1

I have a few thoughts/questions/comments:

1) I'm in favor of a spend it or lose it rule for your Draft cap. I was in a league where you could carryover from year to year an unlimited amount of cap dollars. It led to some issues in my previous auction draft keeper league. Teams going into a draft with twice as much as other teams.

2) Just to be clear. The price of keepers comes off the next years starting cap. For example, I purchase Peyton Manning for $40 this year. His cap hit next year will be $40+25% or $50. Does that mean if I keep Manning next year, I go into the auction with $200.

3) Also, would that $250 be just for the draft, or a yearly cap that is used for free agent acquisitions as well. I'd prefer just for the draft. How are trades affected. Do you have to fit trades in under the cap?

$300 in season likely

How many people on the "Rules Committee" have played in auction leagues, or leagues with salary caps?

I believe I may be the only one. However, I used a suggested league rules consolidated thread on Footballguys site to establish alot of the questions that we still need to answer. So essentially, we will be using the suggestions of hundreds of leagues to come to our rules.

[quote name='bizwan65' date='6/29/07 1:37pm' post='2078015']

I have a few thoughts/questions/comments:

1) I'm in favor of a spend it or lose it rule for your Draft cap. I was in a league where you could carryover from year to year an unlimited amount of cap dollars. It led to some issues in my previous auction draft keeper league. Teams going into a draft with twice as much as other teams. I agree use it or lose it

2) Just to be clear. The price of keepers comes off the next years starting cap. For example, I purchase Peyton Manning for $40 this year. His cap hit next year will be $40+25% or $50. Does that mean if I keep Manning next year, I go into the auction with $200. Correct

3) Also, would that $250 be just for the draft, or a yearly cap that is used for free agent acquisitions as well. I'd prefer just for the draft. How are trades affected. Do you have to fit trades in under the cap? At this pt, we have not settled the waiver/Free Agency situation, but the plan is to have some amount of money for FA/Waiver pickups. Trades would need to fit under the original cap amount to avoid firesales..etc

I'm in regardless of how the rules ultimately come out, but for what it's worth, here is my 2cents. If the $250 is just for the draft, and there is a seperate pool of money for free agent pickups, I would say that trades don't need to fit under the salary cap. If the salary cap is for both the draft and fa pickups, then trades should be made to fit under the cap. I'm also in favor of being able to trade salary cap dollars for players.

In my auction league, trades didn't need to fit under the cap. That decision was basically to promote trading. It was felt that if trades had to fit under the cap, trading would be limited. That allowed teams to trade high priced players they weren't going to be able to keep. We also allowed for the trading of salary cap money (however, we allowed the carryover of cap dollars so you weren't trading away a player and not getting anything in return).

Thanks Biz, Will consider all of these suggestions when Neil, Drew & I get together... Just so you know, my main objective is to have a fair rule system that makes it fun yet helps avoid sticky situations that commonly arise. Hopefully we'll all be able to live with them.

sure

I think trades should have to fit under the inseason cap of 300 (not the draft cap of 250)
this will allow for trading without having one team able to overstock on high priced talent

i play this way in baseball for years and it has worked out nicely

my 2 cents here

i don't think the inseason cap should = draft cap + bidding bux alloted. it should be somewhere in between (for a variety of reasons) but especially since
(1) picking up someone will result in dropping someone (unless we have extra inseason roster spots that i missed) so if inseason cap = draft cap + bidding bux it will rarely be reached unless via trade for higher priced players than u are giving up. the cap, in most cases, would become a joke.
(2) keeping a lower cap will keep the free agent pool 'fresher' and force teams to make tough decisions. from what i can tell this league is filling up with experienced & savvy owners looking for a challenge & because of that i am in favor of rules/cap/roster spots etc that force owners to make tough decisions.

it will be in between

$250 draft cap with $100 bidding and $300 inseason cap

It's all good to me. I just wish the auction was tomorrow.

What he said.

Have any more of the rules been flushed out yet?

i think once we have our 12 or 14 we just vote on other issues and go with the majority

if we get 14 does anyone think that starting 6 rb/wr/flex is going to be too much especially during bye weeks?

Yes. I was concerned with the start 2 RB's from the beginning. Working from the assumption that there are 32 starting RB's in the NFL. At a minimum, 28 of those 32 will be required to be started every week. Throw in bye weeks and flex and there are not enough RB's to go around. In my opinion, setting the league up to create an artificially high demand on RB's, when it isn't necessary since we are starting from scratch, will lead to trouble down the line. Being able to keep 4 players, owners will pay inflated prices to keep marginal fantasy RB's just so they have somebody to start. I can envision owners getting buried at the RB position, through injury and/or bad production, and losing interest. With 14 teams starting 2 RB's and needing a 3rd for bye weeks plus backups, if somebody has a RB get hurt there will be nobody worthwhile available as a F/A to replace your injured RB. That is needlessly asking for trouble when it can be avoided. Just my opinion. That being said, I'm paid and will play regardless.

A pt per rec league should help elevate WR stocks somewhat...
maybe we can change to 1 rb 2 wr 2-3 flex?
i am just worried about having 6 rb/wr total with 14 teams

PPR will help Wr's some. My recommendation would be start 1 rb, 3wr and 1 flex. I would limit the number of RB's that could be started to 2.

I personally view the reasons why we should switch to start 1 rb as the very reasons why we should stay with start 2 rbs. for the challenge of it all and the complexity it adds to the league, draft decisions, salary cap, waivers, trades etc. The challenges of this league are why I joined in the first place. there are quite a few rbbc in the nfl now so even with bye weeks & injuries it's not like there won't be enough rbs available for a 14 team league during bye weeks. some may not be nfl starters but therein lies the challenge. and if a shortage does arise - i welcome the challenge of it all. will you save some $ to get a lot of depth at rb in the draft or go to war with fewer rbs and spend more money on the wrs? since there are no bye weeks during the playoffs each team should still be able to field their bext team possible. as for injuries? that's one of the great unknowns that makes ff so great. those are my 2 cents about that...

HOWEVER, if the consensus is that the challenge is too much for you guys i'd much rather
(a) add a roster spot or two (even though i think the roster # adds its own challenges) and keep the present starting lineup requirements OR
(b ) go with a starting lineup of 1 rb/ 3wr/ 1 te/ 2 flex (same # of starting lineup spots & keeping # of roster spots as is)

than go to 1 rb/ 3wr/ 1 te/ 1 flex (a reduction of one starting lineup spot) but if we DO go this way i REALLY think we should take away at least one or two roster spots since we are taking away a starting lineup spot.

Personally I'm in favor of keeping the starting line up and roster requirements how it is now. I agree with Nitt. bob in that we want this league to be a challenge and I think having a 14 team league and 2 rbs on the starting line up will be a ultimate challenge. There will still be hidden gems for people to find at rb's. Injuries come up and like someone said earlier there are rbbc's now so you know there are plenty of rb's that can emerge. This all just comes down to preperation and how serious you take the draft. This will require people to pay close attention to by weeks and doing research on their players because you know the restrictions you will have and it will also require you to evaluate which areas you want your team to be strong in.

But thats just my personal opinion. Majority vote always rules so whatever everyone agrees on Im all for it.

I would like to move passing yards down to 0.04 per yard so QBs don't dominate the scoring

that's interesting cuz i thought u were the one who insisted on 6 pts for passing TDs!

regardless...

i don't know when the commishes are getting together but i really hope the final rules and procedures are nailed down by the end of the month. not that i'll be doing draft prep for 20 days straight, but i want to make the best use of my limited draft prep time in august. my guess is that i'm not the only one who feels that way.

The sooner the better. I have drafts on 8/20, 8/21 and 8/22. Plus I'm on vacation from 8/11-8/18.

i wonder what you will be reading on vacation!!!!

how many league are you in???



Bob - I prefer QBs are rewarded with more TDs and less Yds and neg pts for INTs rather than the other way around...

Just those 3. An I'm the commish of the other 2.

Hey folks... The current format is geared to be challenging. The setup we currently have regarding Starting Lineup, Roster spots & Scoring are not up for discussion as I've taken peoples $ based on that setup that 4 of us got together to create. Those who didn't make it had the opportunity to be there and for one reason or another, did not come.

FYI, using the Footballguys.com boards, I researched the best practices out there for league setup, auction rules, format, starting roster, roster spot...etc. There is a great thread on it that has taken the opinions of hundreds of folks who i'm sure have been in tons of leagues. I took all this data and broke it down so the 4 of us who met could decide on what was best for us. (Ex: 12, 14 or 16 teams... 4 or 6 pt TD's... 0 or 1 PPR, & 1/2 PPR for RB...etc) The setup we currently have is based on a significant amount of research, and although not everyone will be 100% satisfied, you can be happy to know this is not just 1 man's opinion, but the result of a ton of testing, tweaking & modifications from hundreds of other diehard fantasy geeks. ;-)

So in other words... Let's not undermind the work that is already be done which can only cause delays, frustration...etc because once we open 1 item up for vote, then all details will be open for discussion. That's why we have a Commish (Me-Andrew) & 2 co-commishes (Drew Carter & Neil) to decide on only those details that have yet to be ironed out.

Our rules:
- 1 QB (14 starters)
- 2 RB (28-42 possible starters)
- 3 WR (42-56 possible starters)
- 1 TE (14-28 possible starters)
- 1 Flex (RB, WR or TE)
- 1 PK (14 starters)
- 1 DEF (14 starters)
- 1 IR spot
- Minimum Roster for draft is 20
- No position max (Example: after the starting roster above, you can have 10 QB's on staff)

That's 21 spots (with IR) altogether (294 players altogether). A common standard found today is 12 teams & 24 Roster spots (288 players altogether). Not a big difference here, but we optioned for 14 teams for a bigger challange and spreading the talent pool among more teams. Based on our roster format, I see a shortage of talented QB's, RB's, WR'S & TE's. The possibility of having 42 starting Rb's or 56 starting WR's is very challenging but given the fact that this is an auction draft with only 4 keepers with increasing salaries, I don't see alot of issues of people bailing out because they are too far behind. If everyone planned to keep 4 rb's (56 Rb's) i can guarantee the lack of funds left to draft the rookies, Starting Qb's & WR's will make people think twice about keeping just starting Rb's. Those taking top picks like LT, SJAX.etc will be hard pressed filling out the rest of the roster with quality players especially after kepping them for 1 year and incurring the salary jump. (whoop, there goes nearly half your salary on 1-2 players). Worst case scenario, we install new rules next year after learning our lesson, that may limit how long you can keep a player on a team, or limit the amount of keepers at 1 position (keep max 2 rb's)...etc.

When are the 3 of you getting together to finalize the rest of the rules?

Nice Post Drew! I couldn't agree more. Keep up the good work!

I hope to meet with neil & Drew sometime next week.

Hi,

I just sent my payment for a spot in the league after speaking with Neil. Looking forward to it.

Brian

Looking forward to meeting you Brian. received payment & you are in. I just sent you a league invite

i am Neil's partner and didn't receive a league invite. Maybe Neil has to send me the Login and PW info?