Huddle Ladder - The Ultimate in Huddle Competition

Payouts
48 members $25 bones we come up with $1200.
Then you minus 159.90 for the deluxe league and that leaves us $1040.10

Superbowl winners will each get $150 or .144 of the overall total.
Superbowl losers will each get $75 or .072 of the overall total.
3rd place finishers will each get $25 or .024 of the overall totall.
High scorer on the year between all leagues will get $40 or .038 of the overall total.

Payout for 60 team league
$150 for each League Champ (5)
$75 for all 2nd place finishers (5)
$25 for all 3rd Place finishers (5)
$50 for the Overall Huddle Ladder Champ (1) In week 16 the Highest score from all 5 League Champs wins.
$40 for the Highest point Total from Weeks 1-14 (Regular Season)

Tie Breakers
Tie Breakers, Playoff seeding and conference winners
Conference Winners and all other playoff seedings shall have the tie breaker
be as follows. (starting in 2008)
1. Winning Percentage
2. Total Points
3. H2H ( combined wins for all teams tied)

2007 Tie Breakers
Conference Winners and all other playoff seedingl have the tie breaker
be as follows.
1. Winning Percentage
2. H2H ( combined wins for all teams tied)
3. Total Points

Each conference will be assigned a commisioner(to be determined)
,then the league will have a gerernal manager(DocHolliday)
and treasurer(theeohiostate)

$25 Entry Fee collected by theeohiostate

Hosted on MFL http://football8.myfantasyleague.com/2007/home/70226

60 Huddlers consisting of 5 12-Team conferences with 5 Individual drafts There will be 5 copies of players, one per conference.

5 conferences

1st conference is called Pee Wee

2nd conference is called Practice Squad

3rd conference is called Semi-Pro

4th conference is called All-Pro

5th conference is called Hall of Fame


You will play teams only in your conference.

For the inaugural season , Big John has volunteered his services to rank all Huddlers
and place them into each conference. The top 12 will be in The Hall of Fame conference,
2nd 12 make the All-Pro, 3rd 12 make the Semi-Pro
and the 4th 12 make the Practice Squad. The 5th conference, the Pee Wee, will be
opened to allow additional Huddlers into the league.

At seasons end the 4 teams that finish lowest in their respective conference
will be demoted to a lower level. The 4 teams already at the lowest level (Pee Wee)
will be replaced by 4 new huddlers for the next season. The 4 teams in each
conference finishing in the top 4 will be promoted to the next higher level except
teams already in the Hall of Fame league will remain there with no change.


Scoring system will be based on the WCOFF scoring
http://football8.myfantasyleague.com/2007/...=70226&O=09

Number of Passing TDs 1-10 4 points each
Passing Yards 1-999 0.05 points each
Pass Interceptions Thrown 1-10 -1 point each
Passing 2 Pointers 1-10 2 points each
Number of Rushing TDs 1-10 6 points each
Rushing Yards 1-999 0.1 points each
Rushing 2 Pointers 1-10 2 points each
Number of Receiving TDs 1-10 6 points each
Receiving Yards 1-999 0.1 points each
Receptions 1-99 1 point each
Receiving 2 Pointers 1-10 2 points each
Length of Field Goal Made 1-30 3
Length of Field Goal Made 31-99 0.1 points each
Extra Points 1-20 1 point each
Rules for Def (Edit) Event Range (Low-High)
Number of Punt Return TDs 1-10 6 points each
Number of Kickoff Return TDs 1-10 6 points each
Number of Defensive Fumble Recovery TDs 1-10 6 points each
Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 1-99 2 points each
Number of Interception Return TDs 1-10 6 points each
Interceptions Caught 1-99 2 points each
Number of Blocked Field Goal TDs 1-10 6 points each
Number of Blocked Punt TDs 1-10 6 points each
Sacked a QB 1-99 1 point each
Safeties 1-10 2 points each
Total Points Allowed 0-0 5
Total Points Allowed 1-5 2
Total Points Allowed 6-10 1


We'll have 18 roster spots and no limits on the roster composition

As for starting lineups

1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 TE
1 Flex (either WR , TE or RB)
1 K
1 Def

Total of 9 starters

Playoffs
Playoffs start in Week 15
4 top teams in each division go to playoff rounds
We will use the tie breaker system set of guidlines to determine the seeding for all teams.
#1 seed to face the #4 seed in week one.
#2 seed to face the #3 seed in week one.

Playoff winners from week one will advance to the division championship in week 16.

Week 16 will also determine the overall Huddle Ladder League Champion. The highest scoring team in each of the 5
Super Bowls will be declared the overall League Champion.


Waivers-Blind Bidding and Free Agency Procedure

Waiver requests will be handled through blind bidding. Bidding opens Early Tuesday morning (1 AM ET) and is processed Wednesday evening at 10 PM ET. It will consist of a $10 minimum bid with a maximum of $1000 to spend for the season. Bids must be in whole dollars. You can have conditional bids, such as if you don't get the first guy you wanted, than it will go to your second request, etc. To break ties on bids (if needed), 1st priority will be winning %, 2nd will be head to head record and 3rd will be total points scored. There is no limit to the number of rounds in blind bidding.

Immediately following the blind bid waivers being processed (awarded) each Wednesday, free agents will be available on a first come first served (fcfs) basis until 1 pm ET Sunday. Cost for each FA pickup will be $10 towards your $1000 budget. Dropped players (waivers and fcfs) will be available to pickup after a 1 day waiting period.

Preseason Waivers - First blind bid period will open Tues, 1 AM ET, 8/21 to be processed automatically Wed, 8/29 at 10 PM ET. First Come First Served (fcfs) waivers will run through the preseason up until kickoff of the first game of week one.

You must choose a player to drop for each new one added in blind bids. Failure to do so will result in no player awarded.

The waiver process will run into playoffs up to week 17 games.

On weeks that have early games either Thursday or Saturday, we will allow for pickups of players up until gametime on Sunday, with the exception that players involved in the early games are locked.

Trades

Trades may be made within each division. Roster players may be traded for other players or for Blind Bidding dollars. The trading deadline is week 10.


edited by TOS on 12-11-07 to correct the payout for highest scorer from 13 weeks to 14 weeks, since our regular season is 14 weeks and the original rule said 13.

edited by TOS on 12-22-07 to add the rules changes for waivers after Thursday games, and the new Tie breaker system

edited by MV to allow fcfs waivers up until kickoff on Sunday and not Thursday games.

How about instead of having 16 conferences, just have one for each level. Unless you need it for payouts.

It would be easier to separate the men from the boys on the page. No, I wasn't talking about Broncos.

i had it set up with 4 confernces, each with 4 divisions

I think i like what your saying , would be easier to manage and check on other owners standings

I think it would be a good idea to do it that way


Doc?
Anyone with an objection?

sounds good

I like this idea. this way players in weak divisions won't get a advantage.

It's not a rule, but a question about segragating the divisions. You have 4 copies of players. Do you want to keep those copies in each division where you can only have one Peyton Manning in each division? If you do want to do that, you may want to order up a deluxe package on the MFL site. With this many owners, the share in the cost wouldn't be so much. Iit would solve a nightmare of watching over waivers.

Yes, 1 player per division, we'll do 4 separate drafts, similar to the IBL , we'll only play owners in our division though ...?

http://football8.myfantasyleague.com/2007/home/70226

Thanks Mike, i inserted the names

Mike , who do i contact to upgrade to that kit?

Do you know the cost? I've just paypaled them $70 an hour ago

I Pm'd you. $159.90 for deluxe until 7/31. $179.90 after. Maybe The Huddle will offer price breaks again. They usually happen after early bird discounts are over.

Posted it here so nobody can ask where'd my F'n money go.

I'm not sure you could/would do it but please don't turn this into a keeper league eventually.

Gonna stay a redraft. don't think it would be easy to turn a league into something else with 48 people already in it. it would create such a turnover the league would probably die.

So, each division of four only plays against each other. Also, the entire NFL is to be drafted in each division? We are gonna have some loaded teams then.

Unless I am misunderstanding, have each of the four divisions participate in their own 16-team draft.

My thoughts exactly.



I think you're getting it wrong, there are 48 total teams which break down into 4 separate leagues of 12 teams each and 4 separate drafts.

So there are basically 4- 12 team leagues. Each league will draft from the same player pool in separate drafts and each league of 12 will only play the other 11 teams in their league/conference.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't want to be the start of bad info.

Okay, I'm lost now. I understand there are basically 4 "leagues" (aka "conferences"?) with 12 teams each. I understood, within each "league"/"conference" that there would be 4 divisions of 3 teams each. But, the MFL site now appears different, where each "league"/"conference" has all 12 teams in the same division. Am I on pace here? If so, then...

1. Is this a total points thing? Or, is it done by W-L record?
2. If all 12 teams are in one division, then how does the schedule work?

who let the pachyderm in here?

We decided having 4 divisions with 3 teams in it could make it to where a team in a weak division(with possibly with a losing record) could move up to the next level while not deserving it.

I have to look over the scheduling part and see how that is gonna work out.

we may throw in a few double headers in weeks 11 and 13 , then end the season in week 14 with playoffs starting week 15.

I'll look how we do this in the IBL league, where we have 60 teams

MikesVikes , you got any suggestions?

Dang it. And I'm probably taller than half of you (6'1)

Well you can take me off the list of people you are taller than.

My youngest kid is already taller than me and now you?

Oh, I get it. Alright.

I've got plenty of room. Just curious, could you ever dunk? I can grab the rim, but can't yet.

Someone left the door open, I smelled cheetos, and the rest is history.

In the IBL, we mostly just have kind of like a "pool play" for playoffs. Also it is the opposite of this, where we only play owners from the other divisions. Here we only play owners in the same division. That cuts down the options by one week.

11 weeks of a regular season seems a little short. I think with the deluxe version of MFL, you have more options with scheduling if you'd like to do something like play more opponents each week. 11 opponents from your own division + 36 remaining would give you 47 matchups. But it sounds like that's going away from what we want.

Maybe 2 or 3 weeks of H to H matchups based on week 11 standings, but I'm just throwing stuff out there.

I'd like to add that I've never played in a league that had to use the deluxe MFL. Maybe someone else here has.

Nope, I haven't either. But if you have 4 separate divisions, why can't you just have a regular H2H schedule for each 12 team league? If you need a schedule format for a 12-teamer I can give you at least one of those.

is it certain, we will need the deluxe?

i'm assuming we will , is the IBL a deluxe league?

rules have been updated, please review

Im 6-1, I play ball, and cant dunk. Never could. I never really cared. It isnt part of my game. My game is based on stellar defense and scoring occasionally.

Might not be able to dunk, but Ill bet I can block yer shot.

I am 6 even. never could dunk a basketball...could dunk using a soccer ball though. now I can barely grab the rim.

I could about 10 years ago and then I stopped playing consitently and was like damn what the hell happened. I still felt as fast as I was (maybe I wasn't) but yet I couldn't put it down. I never had a great vertical but I have, as my friends would call them, these monkey arms. They are slightly longer than they should be for a guy my size. I wouldn't worry too much if I were you, however to dunk you may need to grow a bit more or do some leg lifts or calf presses.



Are you a terrible offensive player or is it that you just focus on defense and are a role player on offense? In the game of basketball everyone's gets lucky now and then when it comes to blocking shots so I'm sure it would happen. And if you're as good defensively as you say than I'm sure it it might happen a couple times. But remember you can't dunk. So, if this were baseball, you're basically saying you have a really great fielding percetage but will never hit a homerun let alone a grand salami. That's okay cause I like players like you I could count on them for terrific D and assist on the offensive side.



It was probably just a matter of you having small hands. Correct? Can you palm a basketball? If you could, back then you should've been able to dunk if you could dunk a slightly smaller soccer ball. But it you couldn't palm a Bball than you would have to use two hands and jump higher than you could.

I think alot of the confusion could be avoided if you settled on either calling them 4 leagues or 4 conferences, right now you use both terms interchangeably (I think) in the first post.

So we're settled on 4 leagues/conferences, of 12 teams each, playing only within your own conference. No divisions. So tiebreaker #5 can probabbly be eliminated, it essentially amounts to the same thing as won/loss record (tiebreaker #1).

And in determining top 4 and bottom 4, are you going to use the top 4 seeds or the last 4 teams surviving in the playoffs? Bottom 4 will obviously be based on regular season results only.

I personally think having 6 out of 12 make the playoffs is too many, and it raises the possibility that a team that earned the #3 seed over the course of a 13- or 14- week regualr season does not advance up the ladder because their guys stunk it up in week 1 of the playoffs. I would vote for having only 4 teams make the playoffs with no byes, this will also allow for a 14-week regular season and still hold league Super Bowls in week 16.

As far as scheduling, easiest solution is to have everyone play everyone else once and then just fill out the remaining weeks with random matchups, I don't see a porblem with that setup. The "position week" solution mentioned above is an interesting alternative, I'd have to think that one over, seems like it might be unfair, not sure though. I personally don't like doubleheaders and don't really see a need for them here...but if we go that way, I think double headers if possible should be later in the season, after the bye weeks. I don't like doubleheaders early in the season as much, places too much weight on the draft.

I didn't see anything in the rules on transactions yet (waivers/free agents/trades).

Point 1- yeah..I can be confusing sometimes.I guess the right term would be conference and not league.

Point 2- agreed

Point 3 - I was figuring on the top 4 just making the playoffs and the winner of each superbowl would be the higher ranked when moving up to next level..loser of each superbowl would be next highest when moving up to next leasgue and have a playof game between the other 2 playoff teams to see where they rank when they move up.

Point 4 - agree

Point 5 -I think we just do scheduling just like we would in any other 12 team league.as you said everyone play once and then do a random.I am also not a fan of doubleheaders.

Point 6 - I have to look over waivers myself. I am not a 1st come 1st serve kind of guy myself though. I don;t like penalizing people because they cannot be on their puter as much as someone else.

He's a freakin' wrestler. All the wrestlers I knew thought they could hoop too, but all they'd do is follow you all over the freakin' court, 3 inches from your nose, breathing their stinky breath all over you, even when the ball was 90 feet away.

at peepin' I may have to take you up on your challenge. I may be fat, old, & lost all my hops, but that type of thrown down just tugs at me.

I'm 6'0"....but what he said...

anticipation is everything....and being able to recover wisely when you do screw up is another..

And spacing yourself correctly on the court is another. so many times(even in the pros) you see 3 guys within a 10 foot radius all with their hands out for someone to throw them the ball.

Not sure I understand what you're saying here - for purposes of moving up the ladder, does it make a difference whether a team is #1 or #4?

But it does raise an interesting point regarding payouts - if 4 teams make the playoffs and we pay top 3, how do we determine #3 among the two semifinal losers? Should be higher seed IMO as opposed to a consolation game.

Could somebody post a link to the WCOFF scoring system? Or else just post the scoring system here?

It does not really matter.. I just think it will be cool to have a college poll like seeding that changes from week to week as the games go by with all the teams ranked.

It could be higher seed...I would have no problem with that. we will bring that up and see what everyone thinks.

http://football8.myfantasyleague.com/2007/...=70226&O=09


Number of Passing TDs 1-10 4 points each
Passing Yards 1-999 0.05 points each
Pass Interceptions Thrown 1-10 -1 point each
Passing 2 Pointers 1-10 2 points each
Number of Rushing TDs 1-10 6 points each
Rushing Yards 1-999 0.1 points each
Rushing 2 Pointers 1-10 2 points each
Number of Receiving TDs 1-10 6 points each
Receiving Yards 1-999 0.1 points each
Receptions 1-99 1 point each
Receiving 2 Pointers 1-10 2 points each
Length of Field Goal Made 1-30 3
Length of Field Goal Made 31-99 0.1 points each
Extra Points 1-20 1 point each
Rules for Def (Edit) Event Range (Low-High)
Number of Punt Return TDs 1-10 6 points each
Number of Kickoff Return TDs 1-10 6 points each
Number of Defensive Fumble Recovery TDs 1-10 6 points each
Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 1-99 2 points each
Number of Interception Return TDs 1-10 6 points each
Interceptions Caught 1-99 2 points each
Number of Blocked Field Goal TDs 1-10 6 points each
Number of Blocked Punt TDs 1-10 6 points each
Sacked a QB 1-99 1 point each
Safeties 1-10 2 points each
Total Points Allowed 0-0 5
Total Points Allowed 1-5 2
Total Points Allowed 6-10

Doc, have you guys decided anything on waivers/free agents/player add/drop?

Will waivers be on a certain day and time? And then after the waivers, is there unlmited player add/drop until the games start?

On weeks with a Thursday/Saturday game, what is the deal here? I know we shouldn't be able to add players who are playing during a game. Will player add/drop be allowed after the early games and before the Sunday games?

The IBL is not a deluxe league. We can go without since all of the copies NFL players are available to any owner, regardless of which division they are in.

If you want to keep this as each division is a separate league where the players can't cross division lines, then you should consider a deluxe.

I also commish a local league that has two copies of players that don't use the deluxe package. But it's only a 16 man leauge where there is only one waiver process per week and they don't ever run a FCFS waiver period.

Maybe im just stupid here but if we have four separate 12-team leagues/conferences, wouldn't each of the four be run like its own league? And if that is the case, the player pool should be open to each league, trading within the league but not outside of the league.

I think the issue arises during waivers during the week, where whoever is the flavor of the week can be claimed 4 times within this league (once within each conference) - I'm not that familiar with MFL's capabilities but I gather from the discussion here that we might need the deluxe package to manage that aspect of things.

Yes this is how they want to run it. Like 4 different leagues. But the MFL league site for this is ONE site, not four. So the question is how do you stop or not allow somebody in the Hall of Fame division from picking up a free agent player that is only available in the Practice Squad division? The only way to do that is with the MFL Deluxe league package. Btw, the deluxe package costs more but it's sure cheaper than purchasing 4 different regular leagues.

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It sounds as if we have no choice but to get the deluxe huh brother Mike?

Got it...let's go for the Deluxe package then...we cannot have anyone running amok with 2 LT2's on their team!

uh...huh..huh

You could avoid needing the deluxe packageif there was never any first come first served waivers allowed. If there was just a one-time waiver process each week based on division (or conference if you want to call it that instead) standings and each commish MANUALLY checked each and every waiver request to see if the player wanted was available in that person's division, than you could get away from the deluxe package.

I can tell you that it is difficult to do even in a league that is 1/3 the size of this one will be.

Gonna get with TOS and see what he says. thanks Mike.