what should happen?


Skip the pick

or

have the draft tracker auto pick enabled , so the highest ranked players according to MFL are selected?


I vote for draft tracker

I would vote draft tracker as well. Although I'm going to wait for the 2nd round to begin really taking the timer into consideration. #1 we started earlier than all the owners in the league knew about and 2 that timer goes a little nutty from time to time.

I am BIG-TIME against this. Someone can hold up the draft for 12 hours and still get a player? I don't see that. That is why it is on an individual to set their auto-picks or PM their commish. Not fair to the rest of the owners who are doing so.

was it announced that the timer was official? I did not even know this, in the practice squad league and team's timer ran out and the draft was paused and timer reset for him to pick, as everyone had thought the timer was not in play in the league yet.

My question, is where did we say the timer had begun "officially" I know MV set it up , more as a guideline, but not as an enforcement tool i didn't think.


MV, can you answer this, what was your thought process when activating the timer?

TOS, I appreciate the discussion on this; with others this would gotten out of hand already. But we have all been playing FF for a long time...if there is some sort of timer involved, we know what that means. Even the MFL site is set to skip the pick and move on.

There did not need to be an official announcement at all. If everyone took 12 hours to pick, that is 2 picks per day...where is the fun in that??

I get what you are saying, but, we have to be careful here. If it wasn't in writing that a 12 hour time limit was in effect, can we really justify Perch's pick getting skipped ?

I completely understand and agree with most of your points, but, in this case, I say we revert the two spots back, let Perch make his pick, and then make the timer official, and also make it clear that if your time passes, your pick is skipped.

That is my $.02

My concern here, is that the timer is not turned off at late hours of the night. The guys that pick very late, give the next owner a distinct disadvantage on their time limits.

tony picked at 10PM ( Perch very well could have been on until 9:30, then went to bed) , this moring an early appt. could have delayed his time to make a selection by 10AM , he loses the majority of his allotted time, due to the fact the whole world is sleeping.


??? Shouldn't we have the timer turned off from say midnight to 7 am or something anyhow???

I'll do that if you guys wish, no problems there. However, this is coming to light as we enter the 4th round?

great point Menudo, if we revert, then The Wolf, make an official post about the timer and the penalty, then we're in the clear and no owner can complain.

I will post about the timer and the penalty, but we're runnung even on reverting.

Look, we are busy people and we want to have a good time about this. I'll call for a vote, All-Pro members only. I do not want to be a d1ck about this.

The fact that the timer expired mainly over night is the kicker in this case. Perch really didn't have as much time to see that he was up as those that picked around 9pm EST.

Did this in the PS. Although we started our draft earlier than a few of the guys in the league knew about. So I suspended the timer and let it be known that the timer will be used once every team has made a selection. I think I will probably turn the timer off at 2 am and start it back up at 9 am. People can still make picks with the timer off any way but it gives everyone the chance of getting some sleep and not worrying that the timer will run out.




Excatly what the problem is. I fixed that in the PS. As stated above, timer off at 2am and on at 9am EST.

I agree with this. If we're going to skip picks if/when a timer expires then I think it's right that we stop the clock at some point in the evening and restart it in the morning. I'm going to post my vote in the other thread, but I think we should revert and allow an autopick for Perch since we didn't have this set before the draft started.

The timer is set up for 12 hours. The timer doesn't start until the 1.01A pick is made. Like when you made your pick ahead of the scheduled time, TOS, the timer started on the next guy and not when the draft was scheduled (later).

The timer has expired plenty in the Practice Squad. Once it expires, it starts over for the new guy and when the draft gets reverted, the timer has a mind of it's own. It probably needs to be reset at that time, but still no guarantees that it will run wild, imo.

I know that in the Semi Pro, we have access problems with half of the owners for the remainder of the month, starting today. I told them we wouldn't be hard on the timer because many aren't at their own computer at home.

I would only let the computer make my selection for me in a mock draft, imo.

The timer can be set up to automatically shut off during the night. I think that is a good idea.

Say 10 (or 11) pm to 7 am ET? (Time posted above looks good)

Question... If I set it up that we have a 12 hour timer that shuts off at 2 am and starts up again at 9am EST, does that change all the timer settings for all leagues?

yes

I'm trying to take into consideration people on the WC. 11 EST is only 8pm over there. If you do it for 2 am EST it's 11pm over there and starting it up at 9am EST starts it up at 6am over there. The most fair IMO.

I am fine with that MV.

Here's a devil's advocate on reverting the draft. The guy down the line that has his picks taken off the board just tipped his hand.

The we all shouldn't be having separate conversations about this as the one settings applies to all. I proposed an idea if you guys like it great!! If not propose another. And the same goes for what to do if the timer runs out. I vote they are skipped and can PM the commish who they wants once they realize they've been skipped.

Which is why IMO the missed pick should have to PM'd in and let the other picks stand.

I've never had to set players for autopicks in a MFL draft before. But I did back in the old sportsline days when I used to get bounced out of live drafts about 50% of the time and woke up the next day with 5 running backs for my first 5 picks. Those were the days.

I personally think that's too early for West Coasters as that would make it 7 or 8 pm the timer goes off and 4 am it goes back on. I think 1 or 2 am ET it should go off and be turned back on at 8 or 9 am. Fair for all.

The times you suggested looked good to me. If we don't pause the timer at night then I say the draft moves on and the picks are PM'd to the commish.

(Gawd I hope I'm not associated with your bad reputation for agreeing with you )

I should have written that I am fine with the concept; whatever the actual time that is used is fine by me as well.

One more thing, now isn't a bad thing to have this discussion. This will be the first weekend on any draft. We've only just begun...to live.

Hang on guys...Perch just made his pick. Hopefully he PM's me with his skipped pick, not including the players that major-tom selected.

If you are going to allow me to pick up the skipped pick, then I will PM you in just a second.

Absolutely...I resigned in as commissioner so I can update this for you as soon as I get the PM. Can someone explain how to do this? If I make a pick for perch, do I just select his team and it will update the 3.11 spot?

Raw deal, give it a rest.

I'll wait to make my pick once I'm back from lunch, should give Perch time to Pm you his pick.

Thanks Tony...I just got perch's PM now. Once updated, you can make your pick.

Post it here. It shouldn't be any secret. You just have to go in and do a replacement pick for it.

Got Perch's PM...updated 3.11 pick. Tony back on the clock.

Sorry about that guys. The wife has been gone for two weeks, and she surprised me by coming home late last night instead of early this evening. Of course we had to sit up and talk about her trip, so I over slept. Then she got frisky this morning, and who am I to deny her, so I was late getting into work this morning. I did check it right before I originally went to bed last night.

I think you definitely made the right choice!

Paging Irish to the situation room. expired timer alert. Here's your chance to play tough guy.

So, what have we decided here?

Timers to be turned off at night, time TBD.
If a timer expires, draft continues and owner with missed pick can PM commish with a player not already taken.
Weekends? Timers off altogether or same rules above apply?
Also, is this across all Ladder leagues?

I would suggest that If an owner misses a pick, his pick is dropped to the end of the round. That way they are penalized, but not so harshly as to make them uncompetitive. I would also suggest we use a 24 hour timer. We're all adults here, and we should all try to pick in a timely manner. I know I usually check the draft site 4 to 5 times a day, and I would guess that most of us at least check it a couple of times a day. I don't think we will have anyone intentionally slow playing a pick.

I think the agreed upon times should branch across all the leagues. Name a time and I think everyone will go by it. There's no way everyone will be in here to vote. The drafts have already begun and we need to lock this down.



No, I don't think the person who missed their pick should drop to the end of the round. The other owners will keep picking and the owner who missed will PM the commish and get his pick in ASAP (Viking style). I don't care if the timer is 12 or 24 hours, like you said we're all big boys here and should be checking in to get this thing done as quickly as possible. So as I stated above the Commishes should set the rules and I'm sure we can all live by them. It would take to long to get everyone's thoughts on this and the drafts have started.

Have we decided on the final rules yet? It needs to be set. So what do you guys think?

- 12 hour timer
- turns off at 2 am ET and back on at 9 am ET.
- timed out owners can be skipped by the owners that follow and have to PM the Commish with their pick.

Sound good?

this sounds good to me

MV, do you want to install this?

It appears to be a fair solution

Simple to do...want me to change it.

But how can you really say that without the pics? Perch?

So is the timer on or off for the weekends?

i would assume,it would be turned off.

MV what is your call on this , i know normally everyone disables for the weekend's but................................

Lol, I just asked this question in the draft room. I know that in the IBL we keep it off on weekends. I keep referring to this league because it has 60 owners. This one has 48.

One of the commissioners in the draft room thought that it would be off on weekends. Not sure which commish posted but that sounds good to me.

That would be me. I turned it off at like 1 or so this morning ET and just figured it would stay off per our conversations.