Should SD DEF receive the 6 pts for the 109-yd return td?

from our rules:



Also from our rules:



If mfl does not eventually update your score, rest assured I will.

Thank you, sir!

From the MFL site

This is the first time that a Missed Field Goal was Returned for a TD this season. If you want this TD to count in your league, you should have one of the following scoring rules defined:


Number of Missed Field Goal Return TDs.
Length of Missed Field Goal Return TD (make sure that this yardage goes all of the way up to 110 yards).
Number of Defensive & Special Teams TDs.
Length of Defensive/Special Teams TDs (make sure that this yardage goes all of the way up to 110 yards).

From the MFL site. We dont have this specifically noted in our rules or it would have posted. There is a category for missd FG returned ..By the letter of the law this is not a score b/c it was not defined in our rules. I also would think it woulde be a score and NEXT year we can change it but not in the middle of the season.We have blocked FG returned but not missed FG.

I dont believe Mr commish being the rules person you are would like to "change" the rules midseason.

Are you saying that a field goal returned for a touchdown is NOT a special teams touchdown? Are you saying our Dash-4 rules do NOT say that special teams touchdowns are NOT worth 6 points?


From our rules:



We have specifically noted in our Dash-4 rules that special teams touchdowns are worth 6 points. The San Diego special teams scored a touchdown. Simply because this scoring option was overlooked when our scoring rules were put in at mfl does not change our Dash-4 rules. We go by Dash-4 rules, not silly errors made by a commish when he inputted the scoring into the website. By the letter of the law, this is most certainly a special teams touchdown. However, if you feel strongly about this roland, post here and let me know. As per our rules, I will not make an executive decision because this is not an emergency. Rather, I will put it to a league vote.

From our rules:

hmmmmmmm....
I know that there are two schools of thought on this
1. once the ball is in the hands of the opposing special teams, they become the offense
2. special teams is always special teams

I have always gone with number 2 in all leagues I Commish. I vote to give the points.

This league has never gone with option #1--otherwise blocked punts and blocked field goals [edit] that are returned for touchdowns [edit] would not count as special teams touchdowns.

I have to say that the field goal team would be the same as a punt team (i.e. both attempting to defend a kick). Therefore if the punt team would get a returned kick scored as a special teams TD, then I feel that a field goal team returning a kick for a TD should also be scored as a special teams TD.

I'm obviously biased on this -- I'll put that out there. But, I think this is a "configuration issue", not a "rules issue". I believe our rules indicate that the said play is a TD for the DEF/ST. And I believe this is an error in the configuration of MFL -- which isn't always straightforward in MFL.

ok fine by me.

IMO this should be a touchdown for the special teams. I am actually very surprised that this is really a contreversy. Not sure how else this could be scored. It is noted in our rules, so to me this is a no-brainer.

Definitely 6 points to the owner of the Chargers......

Award the man his points.

In all schools of thought, I think just because we didn't click the button at MFL it doesn't mean it's not a score for the SD ST.

Even if you were to call the Chargers the defense on that play, they still get the same result.

What did we do LAST Year? This is not the first missed FG to be returned for a TD..

'Teve's option #1 is not valid in this case because:

Defensive Punt team, does change to Offense, once the punt crosses the line of scrimmage.

Defensive FG team is always FG team, they do not change from Def to Off. In this case, if Cromartie went to catch this ball, and it bounced off his hands and thru the uprights, the FG is good. Thats the difference between FG and Punt teams. The ball has crosssed the line of scrimmamge, but possession has not yet changed.

This is a Special Teams TD.

Devon Hester did it last year, and the way Chicago D played last year, I have a hard time beliieving they were benched...

Defensive Punt team, does change to Offense, once the punt crosses the line of scrimmage. If I'm reading your post correctly, we disagree. You can't have a punt return for a TD = 6pt ST TD but a blocked punt for a TD not equal a 6pt ST TD. This will be something to completely clarify in the offseason, but I believe the intent of the rule is that if a "special team" is on the field, and that special team scores a TD, it's worth 6 pts to the owner.

The difference is a partially blocked punt, if it does cross the line of scrimmage, and still gets returned for TD, it is considered PUNT RETURN. if it does not cross line of scrimage, it is considered blocked punt returned for TD. For FGs, there is no distinction for change of possession.

But I agree, if the intent of the rule is that a special team is on the field, this is pretty cut and dry..

Consider these two punting scenarios, to explain change of possession:
Jets force NE to punt (stop laughing, I'm a Jet fan)

Jets partially block punt, ball does NOT cross line of scrimmage, Jet tocuhes the ball, NE recovers.. NOT A 1st fdown or NE.

Jets partially block punt, but it goes 5 yards over line of scrimmage, ball hits a Jets, NE recovers. NE 1st and 10.

for punts, its the line of scrimmage. For FGs, there are differnt rules.

I see what you're saying but I believe the intent of the rule is that if a ST is on the field, and a TD is scored, the ST gets the 6 pts. I like this interpretation for a number of reasons but primarily because it is simple, much like me. Life is complex, fantasy football should be easy.

Pardon me for being dense, but how is this not a NE 1st down?