From the rules


PLAYOFFS, SINGLE ELIMINATION
- Playoffs begin week 14 and end week 16.
- 6 teams will make the playoffs.
- 6 teams NOT to make the playoffs will be in the Toilet Bowl.
- Tie-breakers for gaining a playoff berth and for determining seeding are, in order, head-to-head and then total points.
- There will be 2 division winners and 1 wildcard team from each conference with no special consideration given to the total points champion. The team with the best overall record in each conference, not to have won a division, will get a wildcard berth.
- There will NEVER be 2 wildcards from the same conference, even if the 4th best team in one conference has a superior record to the all the teams in the other conference.
- Top division winner IN EACH CONFERENCE will get a 1st round bye (even if a team in the other conference has a superior record).
- Round 1 of the playoffs, the division winner IN EACH CONFERENCE not on a bye will play the wildcard IN CONFERENCE
- Round 2 of the playoffs, the top seed IN EACH CONFERENCE will play the round 1 winners IN CONFERENCE to determine division champions
- Round 3 of the playoffs, the division champions meet in the superbowl to determine the Hannibals champion.

1st seed - team with the best overall record
2nd seed - team from the other conference with the best overall record
3rd seed - remaining division winner with the best overall record
4th seed - last division winner (from the other conference)
5th seed - wildcard with the best overall record
6th seed - last wildcard

7th seed - TB team with best overall record
8th seed - TB team from the other conference with best overall record
9th seed - TB team with 3rd best overall record
10th seed - TB team from the other conference with the best remaining overall record
11th seed - TB team with best remaining overall record
12th seed - TB team from the other conference

PLAYOFFS - round 1 (week 14)
1st seed - round 1 bye
2nd seed - round 1 bye

3rd seed vs wildcard team in conference
4th seed vs wildcard team in conference

PLAYOFF DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIPS - round 2 - (week 15)
1st seed vs same conference round 1 winner
2nd seed vs same conference round 1 winner

PLAYOFFS - round 3 / Super Bowl (week 16)
Division champions play for the Hannibals championship

TOILET BOWL - round 1 (week 14)
7th seed - round 1 bye
8th seed - round 1 bye

9th seed vs wildcard team in conference
10th seed vs wildcard team in conference

TOILET BOWL "DIVISION" CHAMPIONSHIPS - round 2 (week 15)
7th seed vs same conference round 1 winner
8th seed vs same conference round 1 winner

TOILET BOWL - round 3 / Toilet Bowl (week 16)
"Division champions" play for the Toilet Bowl Brush






I seeded the brackets incorrectly. I seeded them like the other leagues I commish. 1 & 2 get the bye, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5 Which gave us this seeding:

(3) REZ vs (6) Carolina Sharks
(4) Kickers vs (5) Red Eye Growler

When the seeding should have been

(4) Kickers vs (6) Carolina Sharks ... conference winner vs conference wild card
(3) REZ vs (5) Red Eye Growler ... conference winner vs conference wild card


Unfortuantely it makes a difference. Incorrect seeding Kickers lose to Growlers. Correct seeding Kickers defeat Sharks and Growlers lose to REZ.

I leave this in the hands of the league as to how it should be handled.

Rules are rules. I vote that the seeding be changed back to what they should have been. I probably would have caught it if I were in the playoffs, sorry guys.

It doesn't matter to me either way since it doesn't affect me, however if it is in the rules, it should probably be fixed.

What they said. None of this affects the scores, it's just that there's going to be a disappointment factor.

I think I almost have to correct the seeding as round 2 calls for

1st seed vs same conference round 1 winner
2nd seed vs same conference round 1 winner

This is how I discovered my error in the first place ...

As commish of this league and another league, I thought nothing of the seeding because that seems quite logical. It is also one of the formats that MFL has available as I set up the Dugout FFL the same way as ours.

I have always seen 1-6 with #1 & #2 getting the first week bye with the other two division winners #3 & #4 getting paired by the #5 & #6 WC seeds. My personal feeling is that you CAN NOT go back and re-seed after the fact. It is just completely unfair to Club, who clearly beat me and went the whole weekend that he had the lead over me with our matchup.

I feel very bad for you Grits that you lost a very tough matchup against Club, but I think the error was yours (albeit an honest error), but the winner from the weekend should not be penalized by your error. Also as Commish, you and I are both supposed to be beyond reproach in our dealings and the fact that you were the one that ran the playoff schedule and you were the one that suffered the tough loss, it puts you in a conflict of interest quandry. I think you must take the medicine of this error, so you can remain beyond reproach that both of us are now.

I don't ever remember our seedings being that way and I would have set them up the exact same way. Personally, I think we should use the set up as that is the only way I have seen it done and it mirrors the seeding of the NFL. Our conferences are artificial just to help with scheduling for a 13 week season for 3 weeks of playoffs and it makes no sense to me why the #3 seed should ever play the #5 seed (#4 & #6). I think we put it up for a vote during the offseason to verify that set up or default to the 3 vs. 6 and 4 vs. 5 schedule for the playoffs.

I think it sucks for you to lose, but I don't see another way to handle it. As a Commish, I hold myself to a higher standard than other owners in this type of situation, so NONE of the 11 other owners can accuse me of wrong doing, and I know you also hold yourself to those same high standards as I do.

I think that Club should move on as does REZ to play against Canes and Buffalo Wings, but I will let you make the final call on this or put it up to a ful vote for the league to determine the outcome here.

Really nobody sets their lineups based on their opponents. You start the players you think will score the most points. However, having said that, I don't mind taking the loss as I made the mistake. The problem is that ROUND 2 calls for the inter-conference matchups as well. If we don't re-seed the first round then the 2nd round seeding is screwed as well. Basically if we don't reseed ROUND 1 we throw the playoff rules out the window. This is where the real problem comes in.

If in ROUND 2 Canes would have defeated me to advance but would not have defeated his opponent under the incorrect seedings who is harmed more?

Can't you re-seed in MFL based on the Week 1 results? I think that is an option and Week 2 can be set as the rules call for. I can take a look at MFL tonight if you need some help with how to handle this. If this is a problem, I will leave it up to the 4 playoff teams to make the decision on this and take it out of our hands.

Actually, I think we can re-seed ourselves and set the new playoffs of 4 teams for 2 weeks starting in Week 15. Take the new playoff with the four remaining teams and seed them how the rules say that the matchups should be. I can do this tonight if you want me to do, but I think I can set it up the way we need it do be for Week 15 to match the rules. Let me know what you think.

If we leave the seeding as it is then we have to throw our playoff rules out the window and go with a conventional approach.

CONVENTIONAL APPROACH
(3) REZ vs (6) Sharks
(4) Kickers vs (5) Growler

(1) PTS vs (5) Growler
(2) Canes vs (3) REZ

BY OUR RULES WHERE EACH CONFERENCE SENDS A REP TO THE SB
(4) Kickers vs (6) Sharks
(3) REZ vs (5) Growler

(1) PTS vs (3) REZ
(2) Canes vs (4) Kickers



As you can see the round 2 matchups are vastly different. Canes would NEVER play REZ until the SB under our rules but would have to face him this week if the seeding is not corrected.

Again ... I made the call because those that responded on the other thread seemed to believe rules are rules and you did not respond. I am, however, willing to live with what YOU decide. It makes more sense for you to make this decision as your team is not invovled.

I only discovered the error when I went to the rules to confirm how round 2 was seeded.

The biggest problem I see with NOT reseeding correctly is that it is possible that one or both Canes and PTS lose to their opponent in round 2 when they would NOT have lost to their opponent had the seeding been done correctly.

It doesn't matter either way to me. I'll lay the smackdown on whomever I play

I can see both sides as far as leaving as is and as far as re-doing the matchups. Re-seeding this week really doesn't accomplish anything.

The current rules state keeping the conferences separate. If we are going to stick to the rules then we need to re-do the matchups.

The only way to not re-do the matchups is to bring it to a league-wide vote to change the rules for our league.

IMO - I think that we should follow the rules as they currently are and fix the mistake that Grits made. We can call for a vote in the off-season to change that if most people think that is the way it should be.

I'm sorry Dave, but I have to disagree with you. We came up with this rule, or I believe I suggested it and got it pushed through.....I like the unique setup and I have no problem with Blitz admitting his mistake and asking for opinions on the matter. As a commish he could have been a jerk about it and said I'm commish and making this change, some might not have liked it, but such is life. I have no problem with changing it, and yes I can say that cause I'm not involved, but yet again I have no bias so that should account for something. I know I wouldn't want to be given a win, and such I was last week in another league however like this league, theres no rule for this as there wasn;t for that situation. You HAVE to go with what the rules are, it was caught before the next weeks games. It sucks for those that it affects, but then again had it been set correctly they would have lost anyway.

I hate Blitz's "you play the players who will score the most points", but he's 100% correct in using it in this circumstance. A league vote is the ONLY way to completely resolve this and frankly I'd be disappointed in anyone who would not vote for it to be as it should have been, that's the rules we agreed upon. It's hard to get everyone to vote here so emails and messages on the Hannibals site will be imperative.



Here's the thread, can't bump it either cause its locked, but it was pretty unanimous.

http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=139804

Whatever we do this year I would not vote to change the structure ... I like the uniqueness of it.

I sent a PM to REZ to ask for his opinion on this issue. Hopefully, he will stop by later tonight.

I think regardless of the outcome here, that both Grits and I are trying to do the best thing here, so I am fine with the outcome of whatever is decided.

Agreed.

Shouldn't you be talking to Club?

REZ wins either way ... Club is the one that goes from a win (against me) to a loss against REZ

Guess so.... I never really checked the finally score because I was so far out of it on Sunday, I assumed that REZ would have lost to both of you, but it turns out he had the top score thanks to the big game Peyton had on Sunday night.

Anyone know how to reach Club since his PM box if full?

Agreed

I'll take the loss because that's what the rules say.

I'll never know for sure, but I like to think I'd have started Gonzalez.



That f*cking sucks. I'll be over it in t-24hours. I kind of over-achieved this year anyways. I take comfort in knowing I'll be winning this league next year.

And Rez, if we meet in the Faultline Super Bowl, I won't forget this.

Now that Club has stepped up and agreed to take the loss due to the scheduling issue here....

I will propose a compromise between Club and Grits. It is completely up to them, but I suggest that since Club was gracious to let Grits advance, maybe any winnings by Grits, get split 50% / 50% between the two of them as a thank you for making a sticky situation be resolved without much debate or angst?

Discuss amongst yourself.

Its not about the money for me ... if it eases Club's pain taking a loss when he thought he had a win then, by all means I don't mind splitting whatever financial reward I may reap.

We don't have asterisks in Hannibals. Carry on with the playoffs.

One of the things that makes this a great league is the integrity of the owners. When situations arise,and they will, it's been my opinion that things have been resolved in the proper manner. Kudos to all the owners for making this an enjoyable league for me. I missed the championship rounds of the playoffs but none the less I will strive to win the toilet bowl. Now whether my players help me accomplish this may be another story,lol. Still, I will continue to be a part of this league, win or lose, because the owners we have are second to none. Much thanks to the commishes for the job they've done and all their efforts. This league clearly is one of the main reasons why I continue to strive to be a better fantasy football owner.

Good luck to all those who continue towards their quest in a league championship. It will be a title that you can be very proud of.