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SteelBunz
Sorry folks......originally waivers were to have ended Week 14. But Skippy and I discussed it before playoffs started and thought playoff teams should be able to use waivers on weeks 14 and 15, as long as the non-participants had their rosters frozen.

smile.gif......So.....long story short....the schedule at MFL never got changed. My bad! doh.gif

Waiver Request is NOW OPEN. They will process at 3:00PM on Thursday afternoon. FCFS will run Thursday from 3:00PM until gametime Thursday night. THIS is the LAST waiver wire opportunity for the year. So make it work in case you get to the SB. wink.gif

ONLY the 4 remaining playoff teams have waiver rights on MFL. Also....the matches are correct now. #1 vs. #4......and #2 vs. #3.

GOOD LUCK!! smile.gif
Pillsbury
Wow. I just got screwed beyond belief. I go to bed last night with nothing posted about this, and get home from work tonight to find out my competition was just able to completely bulster his team and I didn't have the same opportunity. In no way should this have been allowed on such a short time span unless every affected team had the same opportunity. If this is the way this league is going to opperate, then consider this my last year.

eta: Ok, many lookers at this thread and no comments. Can't believe this was really let go without as much as one word spoken by a commish on why the moves should stand. I see some pretty high profile Huddlers in this league, and this is just let go?
Skippy
Well, this is the very first that I have seen this thread. I can't say that I blame you for feeling this way, however, I sent you a pm a few minutes after you posted in the other thread about the waiver and how you would have liked to know. I am not looking at your matchup or anything and I am not sure who you got screwed out of but if you honestly did not know then I think we need to fix the problem. However, now that it is 4:30am ET in the morning I am not sure what we can do to fix your problem.

What if JoJo does not log on and is not given a chance to change his lineup after we "take" the players away from him?

Pills, please tell me what you honest opinion on what we should do at this point is?
Skippy
I just checked my email to make sure that I did not overlook anything from you. I can't help but wonder, if you felt so screwed, why you didn't send something out in the email?

I feel like chit over this but I don't think that there is an easy answer. Bunz did send out an email that I am assuming that you recieved? I sent you a pm minutes after you made a post in the other thread. There is no easy fix here.
Pillsbury
QUOTE(Skippy @ 12/16/07 1:48am) *
I just checked my email to make sure that I did not overlook anything from you. I can't help but wonder, if you felt so screwed, why you didn't send something out in the email?

I did send an email reply to Bunz, the day it happened and got no response from her.

I feel like chit over this but I don't think that there is an easy answer. I sent you a pm minutes after you made a post in the other thread. There is no easy fix here.

There would be an easy fix if the commish was checking in on the league on a daily basis. Right this minute I would be fine with reverting to his previously submitted lineup before the WW ran. That was the lineup he was going with if he didn't get his new players.
SteelBunz
Well.....I would like to say a few things. Pills......I'm sorry you feel screwed. I can understand it to a degree. BUT....given the fact that neither Skippy or I were IN the playoffs....a PM or an email would have helped your cause on Weds when there was a question in your mind. You could have PM'd or emailed or even called Skippy or me with your intentions for picking up certain players IF the WW was going to be open. We would have seen to that for you with NO problems!

When I set the time for Waiver Requests.....I deliberately made it as long as possible before they processed and still have ample time before the Thursday game for FCFS. 14 hours for WReq.....then another 5+ for FCFS before the Thursday game started. And with an email and a post.....I was pretty sure I'd be able to catch/accommodate both East and West coasters. Skippy called me to talk about waivers not being open @ about 10:30pm.....and I was on the phone with RR at the time as well until about 1:00 AM ET. That's why the email went out at 1:00am ET.

Aside from all that....I made it pretty clear in the playoff post that playoff teams would have waiver rights and all other teams would be frozen. So.....when MFL wouldn't take your waiver info, again...a PM or post to me or Skippy.....even a phone call....because it was clear something was wrong at that point......right? Look......I'm not absolving myself of the mistake made in MFL in scheduling. Not at all. But this is a money league and a little due diligence on the owners' parts should be a given.

At this point.....I'd just play out the match if I were you. After your email, I was going to offer you your fee back in exchange for a forfeit and we'd just move JoJo on to the finals. But you have just as much chance at winning this match, which guarantees you at least 2nd place money. So I let it be.

Again....I apologize for the mixup this week. But I think I handled it as fairly as possible given our time constraint with a Thursday game. Yes....this is a money league.....but it's also a fun league with a lot of competitive, but layed back people. I'm truly sorry you seem to feel your experience in here was tainted somehow because we've enjoyed having you here, Pills. Good Luck in your match.
SteelBunz
And I received your email reply at 11:50pm Thursday night after the that game was over. Just for the record. wink.gif
Pillsbury
QUOTE(SteelBunz @ 12/16/07 10:22am) *
Well.....I would like to say a few things. Pills......I'm sorry you feel screwed. I can understand it to a degree. BUT....given the fact that neither Skippy or I were IN the playoffs....a PM or an email would have helped your cause on Weds when there was a question in your mind. You could have PM'd or emailed or even called Skippy or me with your intentions for picking up certain players IF the WW was going to be open. We would have seen to that for you with NO problems!

When I saw the WW bids closed, I thought they were over for the year. When I saw a question raised as to why they were closed, I never imagined that it would be opened and closed before the thursday game. If anything, I thought in my head it might run after thursday's game, and end before sat. night's game. Running it with much less than 24hrs to get bids in never crossed my mind as I thought it would be unfair to everyone especially those who didn't check in for that 14 hour period.

When I set the time for Waiver Requests.....I deliberately made it as long as possible before they processed and still have ample time before the Thursday game for FCFS. 14 hours for WReq.....then another 5+ for FCFS before the Thursday game started. And with an email and a post.....I was pretty sure I'd be able to catch/accommodate both East and West coasters. Skippy called me to talk about waivers not being open @ about 10:30pm.....and I was on the phone with RR at the time as well until about 1:00 AM ET. That's why the email went out at 1:00am ET.

Again, just shocked the decision was made to run a WW period on such short notice, for such a short time period. Like I said, I made a quick comment about it would have been nice to pick up players before Thu's game, then logged off the internet, went to bed and didn't have time to get on the internet before leaving for work in the morning. I get home from work only to realize I completely missed out on an opportunity to level the playing field.

Aside from all that....I made it pretty clear in the playoff post that playoff teams would have waiver rights and all other teams would be frozen. So.....when MFL wouldn't take your waiver info, again...a PM or post to me or Skippy.....even a phone call....because it was clear something was wrong at that point......right? Look......I'm not absolving myself of the mistake made in MFL in scheduling. Not at all. But this is a money league and a little due diligence on the owners' parts should be a given.

Did not have a recollection of this being mentioned. Again, I thought WW was closed for the season when I saw the league calendar not set up to support any more moves for the year.

At this point.....I'd just play out the match if I were you. After your email, I was going to offer you your fee back in exchange for a forfeit and we'd just move JoJo on to the finals. But you have just as much chance at winning this match, which guarantees you at least 2nd place money. So I let it be.

Fee back for a forfeit?!?!? Talk about a slap in the face! While the money would be nice, the reason the majority of us play is to win the games.

Again....I apologize for the mixup this week. But I think I handled it as fairly as possible given our time constraint with a Thursday game. Yes....this is a money league.....but it's also a fun league with a lot of competitive, but layed back people. I'm truly sorry you seem to feel your experience in here was tainted somehow because we've enjoyed having you here, Pills. Good Luck in your match.

If you truly feel you handled this as fairly as possible, why did you ignore my email reply I sent to you thursday night when this all went down. ANY TYPE OF RESPONSE FROM ANYBODY would have been nice, but instead the issue goes ignored until it's too late to make a change. That, is what irritates me the most about this. Layed back or not, we all have a responsiblilty to each other to make sure any issue, small or big gets a fair hearing.

Thank you for wishing me luck in my match.

rocknrobn26
My 2 pennies....
1) I think all was done above board and fair
2) Pills....I think you are over reacting
3) If you can't win w/ Burress and Portis I will be surprised.
4) I don't think your attack is justified as you had no use for the QB JJ acquired, Edwards, nor Gafney.
5) Please tell me who you would have WW'd that would have improved your outcome?

Sorry....I see no foul.


Skippy
QUOTE(rocknrobn26 @ 12/16/07 7:47pm) *
5) Please tell me who you would have WW'd that would have improved your outcome?

I said this to SB in private. I do feel like chit over this and really these sorts of problems just can not happen but having said that, they do. I am in WCOFF and even though you pony up close to 1700.00 to play, they are still not mistake free.

That does not make this happening okay, but just shows that mistakes do happen.

And I still wonder what happened to the PM that I sent you?
Pillsbury
QUOTE(SteelBunz @ 12/16/07 10:24am) *
And I received your email reply at 11:50pm Thursday night after the that game was over. Just for the record. wink.gif

exactly the point. I obviously didn't get home in time thursday to get in a WW bid, or a free agent pickup wink.gif



QUOTE(rocknrobn26 @ 12/16/07 4:47pm) *
My 2 pennies....
1) I think all was done above board and fair Ok, thank you for your input. Wish others who saw this issue would have chimed in pre-today's games.
2) Pills....I think you are over reacting Fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion, including me wink.gif
3) If you can't win w/ Burress and Portis I will be surprised. Not the point. Win or lose for me this week, this is and was about the principle
4) I don't think your attack is justified as you had no use for the QB JJ acquired, Edwards, nor Gafney. This is where you're wrong. I would have liked the opportunity to pick up Edwards and possibly force JJ to start arguably the weaker QB in Boller or Rivers. It's not allways about improving your team, but sometimes about not letting your opponent improve theirs.
5) Please tell me who you would have WW'd that would have improved your outcome? The player I really wanted, believe me or not, was A. Gonzalez. I would have started him over Crayton in a heartbeat. So there you go.

Sorry....I see no foul.



QUOTE(Skippy @ 12/16/07 5:53pm) *
I said this to SB in private. I do feel like chit over this and really these sorts of problems just can not happen but having said that, they do. I am in WCOFF and even though you pony up close to 1700.00 to play, they are still not mistake free. I believe you that you feel bad, Skippy. I'm sorry for making such a big deal of this, but it's my downfall that I'm so passionate about FF. And when things seem to get ignored, it pisses me off even more. If you or Bunz would have stepped in before sunday morning , then I'm sure it wouldn't have been such a big deal. I can sorta understand you not checking the message boards since you're not in the playoffs, and the fact that you recognize that you made that mistake is fine by me. I still don't understand why Bunz ignored my email and let it go without a whisper. Guess I'll never understand.

And I still wonder what happened to the PM that I sent you? I got it, but again it was after I got home from work and was unable to participate in any bidding or pickups. I didn't reply because I didn't imagine Bunz wouldn't do anything about my email reply to her. I figured she would contact you, and the two of you (or a league vote) would take care of this.

Pillsbury
Obviously with the current week's games just about over, I'm sure this topic will die, and that's fine. I just want to underscore that any given regular season week this wouldn't have been such a huge deal to me, but with the winner of this week's game going to the superbowl, it was exponentially bigger. Sorry to everyone who I annoyed, but I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.
rocknrobn26
QUOTE(Pillsbury @ 12/16/07 8:23pm) *
Obviously with the current week's games just about over, I'm sure this topic will die, and that's fine. I just want to underscore that any given regular season week this wouldn't have been such a huge deal to me, but with the winner of this week's game going to the superbowl, it was exponentially bigger. Sorry to everyone who I annoyed, but I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.


Understand. I am passionate about my leagues, but I look at the WW after week #13-14 and see crap, that is no oneI would start over my existing team, compared to what I had. I didn't analyze your team, so I'm not sure what your motivations were. I meant NOT to insult you, but I admit I was protecting the league, as I truly like it. Sorry if I offended.
Pillsbury
QUOTE(rocknrobn26 @ 12/16/07 6:57pm) *
but I admit I was protecting the league, as I truly like it.


no need to appologize, was not offended. Not sure how to take your above quote, but don't worry about it.
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