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theeohiostate
I was wanting to have a league vote to move the Empire draft to a 3RR draft for the 2009 Season. Here is all the information I was able review.

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Third Round Reversal or "Banzai" - Often abbreviated "3RR", this alternative draft method has gained popularity in recent years. This style is often confused with Third Round Serpentine (See #3), but it is actually a much simpler draft format. Only Round 3 is reversed from the original "snake" draft order, so the person going last in Round 1 gets to go first in Rounds 2, 3 and 4. The owner who has the first overall pick doesn't start a round again until Round 5.



The 3RR draft is now being implemented all over , even the National Fantasy Football Championship has instituted this method.
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All NFFC draft leagues will use 3RR (3rd Round Reversal) in 2008, meaning that the draft order will go back down to 14 to start Round 3 and then continue in serpentine fashion after that. The NFFC is using 3RR in 2008 to balance the talent pool throughout these 14-team leagues


The BOTH league Dash-4 has been using this for a few years, please review their 2007 draft. Dash-4 2007 draft


Here is a good article on the draft. I would not post a link to another FF website on the main forums, but since we're all huddle members, I hope i don't get gunned for this. I did my best to google this topic and only found one good article to describe it.
Here

I have since asked DMD to do an article on this subject and will be setting up a Mock Draft for him to review and post.


Please share your thoughts and post your vote.


Example of the #1 pick
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Draft #1 spot looks like this

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Here is the breakdown using the draft calculator

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Serpentine
best = 1st = 6,476.9
worst = 12th = 6,102.0 or 5.8% worse than 1st

Reverse 3rd
best = 1st = 6,291.7
worst = 7th = 6,202.1 or 1.4% worse than 1st

Every draft slot is within 1½% of the best draft slot using the 3RR.
Traditional serpentine, only the 2nd draft slot is within 1½% of the best draft slot.
tonorator
vote no. this whole thing got started because of the LT factor. if you get the #1 pick, you have to sit for about 20 or so picks before you get your 2nd pick. to then say you have to wait 12 more is silly. they should get the 2 picks and things should keep snaking. it works fine.

as LT starts to fade or come back to the pack, this variation will disappear quickly.
theeohiostate
QUOTE (tonorator @ 7/26/08 9:28pm) *
as LT starts to fade or come back to the pack, this variation will disappear quickly.


Then AP comes to the head of the class. They are equals now.
tonorator
QUOTE (theeohiostate @ 7/26/08 9:42pm) *
Then AP comes to the head of the class. They are equals now.


c'mon, LT has done it for years. AP didn't get through his first season without injury. they are nowhere near equals.
theeohiostate
QUOTE (tonorator @ 7/26/08 11:29pm) *
c'mon, LT has done it for years. AP didn't get through his first season without injury. they are nowhere near equals.



What I'm trying to say, is that before these was an LT, there was a M.Faulk , after LT, there will be someone his equal in FF , AP looks prime to be that guy.
TDFFFreak
QUOTE (theeohiostate @ 7/27/08 5:31am) *
What I'm trying to say, is that before these was an LT, there was a M.Faulk , after LT, there will be someone his equal in FF , AP looks prime to be that guy.

While I'd like a slight modification to the proposed rule (I'll get into that at another point, but TOS knows what it is), I agree with TOS that there seems to almost always be a LT-type player, if not a clear tier 1 occupied by a few RBs at most. A modification to the draft would counteract the advantage that the first few picks often have within a draft.

(Before Faulk, I believe it was Terell Davis)
tonorator
if we want to counteract things, why not have the draft order go in the reverse order from the prior season?

this system seriously screws you if you take a bum pick in the 2-5 spots. so last season milwaukee's best takes larry johnson in the 4 spot and ends up 3-10. how would he have done under a 3RR type setup?

the #1 pick gets the best player, yes, but then he must sit and watch many, many great players go off the board. that is the price he pays. the snake draft works fine. 4 of the top 5 teams in the standings from last season were from the back half of the draft.
theeohiostate
QUOTE (tonorator @ 7/27/08 9:35am) *
the #1 pick gets the best player, yes, but then he must sit and watch many, many great players go off the board. that is the price he pays. the snake draft works fine. 4 of the top 5 teams in the standings from last season were from the back half of the draft.




Yes, while the #1 team has to set plenty of picks, his one pick in LT is worth as much in trade value as the #12 guys #1 and #3 picks. Also , while the #1 guy has to wait 20 some picks, so does the #12 guy, after getting 2 players whom are equals in points value to LT.

I would also support reverse draft order from year to year, either method to me is trying to equalized the playing filed, even if we have to do so on a yearly basis instead of an in-season basis.
TDFFFreak
QUOTE (theeohiostate @ 7/27/08 2:45pm) *
Yes, while the #1 team has to set plenty of picks, his one pick in LT is worth as much in trade value as the #12 guys #1 and #3 picks. Also , while the #1 guy has to wait 20 some picks, so does the #12 guy, after getting 2 players whom are equals in points value to LT.

I would also support reverse draft order from year to year, either method to me is trying to equalized the playing filed, even if we have to do so on a yearly basis instead of an in-season basis.

In a redraft league, I do not like doing a draft order based on the previous year's finish. I believe each year should be independent of the next. That's one of the fun parts about redraft leagues. I would be willing to to do the 3RS.
Kid Cid
TOS, I was incorrect. Dash-4 uses the Modified Serpentine, not just a change in round 3. It does completely even things out . See example below...

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theeohiostate
QUOTE (Kid Cid @ 7/27/08 1:07pm) *
TOS, I was incorrect. Dash-4 uses the Modified Serpentine, not just a change in round 3. It does completely even things out . See example below...

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Yes, that is the 3RS draft, I was proposing the 3RR draft. Either method is fine by me, both are considered to be more fair then the current method.

Here is a good article on both drafts.
BigMikeinNY
I voted no. Let's do traditional.
BigMikeinNY
Not to mention, we already chose the draft order. If we switch draft type, new choices would have to be made by all of us.
Kid Cid
QUOTE (BigMikeinNY @ 7/27/08 11:51pm) *
Not to mention, we already chose the draft order. If we switch draft type, new choices would have to be made by all of us.

I think TOS posted this as a change for NEXT year. It's clearly too late to make these types of changes for this season.
yo mama
My biggest worry about changing from a traditional snake draft is that I don't know of any main stream mock draft sites that follow for those modified formats. Regardless of my draft position, I usually draft a pretty solid team. Part of that is because I do lots and lots of mock drafts and other analysis in preparation for the draft. I'd be a lot more willing to accept a back half draft position, or just go auction, than I would be to give up my ability to do substantive mock drafts.
tonorator
wanted to add that after this season, any talk of 3RR should be absolutely dead.

just think of how much worse yo's team would have been had he not been able to snag ocho at the turn ... unsure.gif

but seriously, our top 3 RB scorers from this season were nowhere near the 1st round of our draft and guys like LT, SJax, Gore, Addai don't crack the top 5.
BigMikeinNY
QUOTE (tonorator @ 12/10/08 9:22pm) *
wanted to add that after this season, any talk of 3RR should be absolutely dead.

just think of how much worse yo's team would have been had he not been able to snag ocho at the turn ... unsure.gif

but seriously, our top 3 RB scorers from this season were nowhere near the 1st round of our draft and guys like LT, SJax, Gore, Addai don't crack the top 5.


+1

I too will be voting for traditional draft style Summer of '09
BigMikeinNY
This needs to be brough up again (poll style)

We need to choose if we want a Traditional Draft style or something else. This needs to be done asap.
tonorator
QUOTE (BigMikeinNY @ 7/12/09 8:34pm) *
This needs to be brough up again


why?
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