The Huddle Fantasy Football Forums > League vote requested

theeohiostate

7/26/08 6:09pm

I was wanting to have a league vote to move the Bling Bling draft to a 3RR draft. No one has rolled the dice, or selected draft position, so there is no disadvantage to any member by doing so.

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Third Round Reversal or "Banzai" - Often abbreviated "3RR", this alternative draft method has gained popularity in recent years. This style is often confused with Third Round Serpentine (See #3), but it is actually a much simpler draft format. Only Round 3 is reversed from the original "snake" draft order, so the person going last in Round 1 gets to go first in Rounds 2, 3 and 4. The owner who has the first overall pick doesn't start a round again until Round 5.

The 3RR draft is now being implemented all over , even the National Fantasy Football Championship has instituted this method.

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All NFFC draft leagues will use 3RR (3rd Round Reversal) in 2008, meaning that the draft order will go back down to 14 to start Round 3 and then continue in serpentine fashion after that. The NFFC is using 3RR in 2008 to balance the talent pool throughout these 14-team leagues

The BOTH league Dash-4 has been using a similar method for a few years, please review their 2007 draft. They do a complete reverse of the draft after the 3rd round, which is shown to be less fair then my suggested method, but more fair then the traditional serpentine.Dash-4 2007 draft

PM me for a good article on this subject.

DMD has pinned a Mock 3RR draft i am hosting and will do a follow up on it...............I hope (request made)

Example of the #1 pick

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Draft #1 spot looks like this

1.01
2.12
3.12
4.12
5.01
6.12
7.01
8.12
9.01
10.12
11.01
12.12
13.01
14.12
15.01
16.12
17.01
18.12
19.01
20.12

Here is the breakdown using the draft calculator

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Serpentine
best = 1st = 6,476.9
worst = 12th = 6,102.0 or 5.8% worse than 1st

Reverse 3rd
best = 1st = 6,291.7
worst = 7th = 6,202.1 or 1.4% worse than 1st

Every draft slot is within 1½% of the best draft slot using the 3RR.
Traditional serpentine, only the 2nd draft slot is within 1½% of the best draft slot.

TDFFFreak

7/26/08 7:12pm

I'll vote for it here if you can get a vote going for this year in Empire.

I get confused over what they call it, but I like it better when the first overall pick gets the first pick in the 4th round so it'd look like this: 1.1, 2.12, 3.12, 4.1, 5.12, etc.

theeohiostate

7/26/08 7:29pm

QUOTE (TDFFFreak @ 7/26/08 8:12pm)

I'll vote for it here if you can get a vote going for this year in Empire.

I get confused over what they call it, but I like it better when the first overall pick gets the first pick in the 4th round so it'd look like this: 1.1, 2.12, 3.12, 4.1, 5.12, etc.

That is a complete 3rd round reversal.

I will pm the article

I'm talking about 3RR

Your talking about 3RS

piratesownninjas

7/26/08 8:45pm

A vote without a poll?

I really haven't looked into this option up until a few days ago. I'll continue to look over it this weekend and hopefully listen to some opinions from you guys that have used it before...

theeohiostate

7/26/08 9:10pm

QUOTE (piratesownninjas @ 7/26/08 9:45pm)

A vote without a poll?

I really haven't looked into this option up until a few days ago. I'll continue to look over it this weekend and hopefully listen to some opinions from you guys that have used it before...

this is just to put a feeler out there, no official poll until i run it by Apoc first. I don't want to have a vote without consulting the commish.

Apocalypse

7/26/08 9:14pm

QUOTE (theeohiostate @ 7/27/08 3:10am)

this is just to put a feeler out there, no official poll until i run it by Apoc first. I don't want to have a vote without consulting the commish.

I don't mind putting it up for a vote.

TDFFFreak

7/27/08 12:34am

QUOTE (theeohiostate @ 7/27/08 1:29am)

That is a complete 3rd round reversal.

I will pm the article

I'm talking about 3RR

Your talking about 3RS

I'd like the 3RS to be an option as well in the poll.

theeohiostate

7/27/08 7:42am

QUOTE (TDFFFreak @ 7/27/08 1:34am)

I'd like the 3RS to be an option as well in the poll.

The 3RS is what is being used in the Dash-4 BOTH League . Where the first 2 rounds are normal serpentine, then the 3rd round is reversed and remains that way serpentine style for the remainder of the draft.

The normal serpentine gives the #1 spot an 8% better draft
The 3RS gives the #1 spot a 5% better draft
The 3RR gives the #1 spot a 2% better draft

Those %'s are based off the drafting calculator

The 3RR is what I'm suggesting , the 3RS is being used now by two national contests (NFFC and Rotobowl) , and there was chatter about the WCOFF on some forums as well. The 3RS still gives the #1 spot a decided advantage but cuts in a little, while the 3RR gives virtually no advantage to any draft spot on the board, in essence an equal draft.

Here is an article that explains them better then I can. Drafting Styles

TDFFFreak

7/27/08 11:20am

QUOTE (theeohiostate @ 7/27/08 1:42pm)

The 3RS is what is being used in the Dash-4 BOTH League . Where the first 2 rounds are normal serpentine, then the 3rd round is reversed and remains that way serpentine style for the remainder of the draft.

The normal serpentine gives the #1 spot an 8% better draft
The 3RS gives the #1 spot a 5% better draft
The 3RR gives the #1 spot a 2% better draft

Those %'s are based off the drafting calculator

The 3RR is what I'm suggesting , the 3RS is being used now by two national contests (NFFC and Rotobowl) , and there was chatter about the WCOFF on some forums as well. The 3RS still gives the #1 spot a decided advantage but cuts in a little, while the 3RR gives virtually no advantage to any draft spot on the board, in essence an equal draft.

Here is an article that explains them better then I can. Drafting Styles

I'm okay with the 3RS cutting the advantage to 5%. I think it's a good compromise between those who don't want to change things at all and those who want to radically change the draft. I don't mind a slight advantage to the earlier picks, I just would like to cut it down a bit.

My vote would still be for the 3RS.

Apocalypse

7/27/08 2:48pm

The poll is up.