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tonorator
well, let me start by saying that i'm not all that enthusiastic about my team. having the 9th pick sucks because you are left with the uninspiring bottom tier of RBs. i bucked that with wayne, who i like better than TO. looking back i probably would take barber if we did it all again. i may have reached for bush in the 2nd, but couldn't resist that high powered offense and those PPR points.

i believe my next 2 picks will decide the fate of my team. i'm pretty confident in jacobs having a solid year and plenty of goal line work, but i'm less optimistic on mcgahee. to do it again, i would take maroney instead in that spot, especially given the fact that TOS screwed me by taking rice in the 7th, just 3 picks before me waiting for him (and i thought that was early). if mcgahee is ready and solid, i have a nice 3-some of backs to start, with the potential to go to 4 backs with either Perry (looks like the starter) or Taylor (productive).

i'll need to go with more backs because my WRs are not all that good beyone wayne. i believe roddy will be a solid PPR producer and have no problems running him out at WR2, but after that i need someone from the berrian, gage, walter, hester, bennett crew to step up. just one would be nice.

QB should be solid if i can play the match-ups right with kitna and ben. kitna has been damn near perfect in pre-season and ben has plenty of weapons around him.

so there it is. not many players that i targeted and am excited about, but there is potential.

teams that did well imo include:

TOS - killer draft from the 12 hole. grabbing turner and graham in 3 and 4 was nice, love cotchery, and marshall should be a force when he returns.
moose n squirrel - love the 1st 7 picks. only thing i don't like is the 3 TE grab, all of which went too early, imo.
mewantee - what a RB crew! can play matchups with QBs and williams/johnson will carry the WRs. could trade a back for a receiver.
mega - great QBs to play matchups, strong crop of backs, love the welker/colston combo

teams i don't like all that much:

yo - dare i criticize the 2-time champ? yes. and he deserves more space here since he is the champ. surprised that chad went at the turn over a back or a few other receivers. taking jamal, mcfadden, jacobs, or maroney here would have been better, allowing for a receiver pick at the next turn instead of the two average backs that he had to take, which could have landed cotchery. the james/parker turn was uninspiring, but solid complements to LT. curtis/burleson i did not like, vs. the likes of chambers, gonzalez, or moss who went later. both curtis and chad now being hurt makes things worse. burleson cannot carry the load for seattle or yo. with the exception of rice, the rest is a plain ol' mess. morris, fargas, bush, curry, mccareins? sounds like a fantasy scrap heap. curious to hear yo's take looking back.
bigmike - don't like this one either. don't like sjax 3rd, too early for housh vs. a RB2. love brees but that move seriously weakened the overall position player strength. jennings is overrated with the loss of favre, and nothing else inspires me from there out with the exception of maybe vincent jackson and hackett as a nice late round WR.

other teams are all pretty solid. random observations:

milwaukee - strong showing. if the veteran receivers pan out, this will be a tough team to beat.
SF - i think both anderson and rudi went too early here, but grabbing julius and hass made up for it. meachum and hardy are intriguing picks and who knows what NE will do with jordan ...
bad azz - only thing i don't like is the mcnabb pick, but that could turn out fine. this team is solid up and down the line and will get a big boost when smith and branch return.
cid - can't argue with any picks here. i'm not a hugh mjd fan, but he's solid. love the olsen pick out.gif
gg - always drafts strong. i was once somewhat high on tatum, but he has stunk it up in camp ... too early for him in the 11th.

should be a very competitve year and we will all enjoy pounding on yo i'm sure wink.gif

ksu70
I am still very disappointed with my effort in this draft. I made some poor choices because I lost sight of what draft I was in (what the rules are) and I feel like a ten year old for it. I took a gamble with McFadden and I can live with that but I went haywire with the Witten pick. With ADP, Manning and Mcfadden on board I wanted to take another difference maker at TE...in a no TE required league! I followed that up with Harrison, another risk that could go either way. It's not that Witten isn't solid, it's that I could have and should have went FWP/Edge or another Rb at that spot because my RB depth is poor. The Coles/Driver combo was a decent effort and hopefully will keep me around. Then, to a much smaller degree later, I left Fargas on the board after my Chargers pick thinking I had back-to-backs (I have picked #1 three times already) and Yo took him. If McFadden hits then I could be strong. My WR's are a bunch of solid guys that shouldn't bottom out with some chance for greater things. All in all I really blew this one in my eyes. Everybody cry me a river!
TDFFFreak
Nice write up Tono (and not just because you have me as one the strong teams).

I think you may be completely underrating Roddy White. I have grabbed him in many leagues and like his outlook in PPR leagues. So you have a great 1-2 punch in Wayne and White, although I would have passed on Wayne in the first round and possibly snagged him or Johnson in the second round. I think if Jacobs stays healthy and Bush lives up to the PPR hype, you are good at RB in the first 2 spots. I would be concerned about McGahee with the rumblings coming out of camp in Baltimore though...

As for my team, I have a ton of potential and what I see as a mix of proven players with high upside young guys. Without having a top 5 pick, I really couldn't be much happier with my RBs. Yeah, I wish I had one more proven back beyond Lynch, but I'll take my chances that I'll find another 2 or 3 solid starters with Thomas Jones, Stewart, Forte, and Felix Jones. As Tono said it about my WRs, I feel confident that Andre Johnson and Roy Williams will nicely anchor my WR corps. I only hope Gonzalez will, at worst, exist along side Harrison numbers-wise, if not better. I filled out my roster with 3 TEs after I grabbed 4 WRs. I think several owners forgot that this was not a TE league and that we can start as many as 4 RBs and have as little as 2 WR/TEs starting. My strategy, once I realized that several owners were making the TE mistake, was to populate my roster with depth at RB and fill the later draft picks with potential TEs who may have better stats than most of the WRs being taken past round 10. I thought for sure Bulger would be taken by either Green Guy or TOS between my 9th and 10th round picks as the value was too great. I agonized between the "safer choice" in Eli Manning and the upside of Bulger. So needless to say, when I saw Bulger was still there for my 10th pick, I did the rare back to back picks for a QB and I will be very happy to play mathcups. Plus, it's a comfort to know Eli usually stays healthy all season. As always, I ignored defense and a kicker until the very end of the draft, but was happy to take a shot at Green Bay once I felt I had enough roster spots filled on my team.

My team is clearly not a squad filled with a few studs and the rest by so-so guys. This is a team with depth and a lot of upside potential. Clearly, my biggest concern is WR past Johnson/Williams, but I'll improve that by trade if need be. I don't see a single team in the league who has nearly as much potential as I do at the RB slot and I think that's the place I want the most depth. Now I just need to pray that Stewart and/or Forte come through. I have some doubts, but not enough to be too worried at this point. I like my team quite a bit for drafting in the painful 10 spot. Championship? Who knows, but feeling good if a few things go my way.

Some of the other good teams IMO:
TOS: Made up for a woeful Bling draft with a very good team here. 3 solid RB starters in Graham and Turner and a possible RB3 in Rice. A great 1-2-3 at the WRs slot with TO, Cotchery, and Marshall, not to mention Brady QBing this team. A solid team for sure.
Moose N Squirrel: An absolute beast in the WR position. Moss, Calvin Johnson, and Edwards is a down right scary combo. I like Lewis, Chris Johnson, and Young at the RB position considering the greatness of your WRs, but you need these guys to perform.
Ass Rapin: A very balanced team IMO. 2 breakout RBs in MJD and Gore. Decent WRs with Holt, Burress, Ward, and Chambers. If Cutler is as good as many feel he will be, Ass Rapin will be a tough team to contend with.
Mega: Another solid squad that fills a roster with good players throughout, but with few studs. Smart move drafting the entire Miami running game, plus Portis, Kevin Smith, and Maroney gives you a ton of upside. Colston and Welker are as good of a 1-2 WR punch as any in our league (aside from Moss/Edwards).

Could be in trouble:
Green Guy: Really only has one good RB and Larry Johnson has a few questions surrounding the tread on his tires. Mendenhall has a nice upside, but he's a RB3 at best going into the season. The WRs are so-so at best. I just don't see a lot of upside to your team.
Yo Mama: As Tono said-- meh. LT will probably keep you in contention all year, but I don't see much to get excited about with your RBs. Maybe Parker and James will return to form, but I don't see both of them doing much better than last year. Your WRs are a mess, although I like the upside of Sidney Rice if Jackson gets his sh*t together. Chad Johnson's status is worring me at this point. Romo is nice obviously, but not enough to take Yo's team for a three-peat.
Mil Best: You may have my favorite 1-2 RB combo in the league with Peterson and McFadden, but I feel as if you are counting too much on them, Manning and not much else. You are pretty lacking in the WR area with not a single WR I can get excited about (even with Witten). I think Harrison has seen his better days behind him and think people counting on him as a WR2 are going to be disappointed.
JoJoTheWebToedBoy

Wow, what can I say... I blew my 2nd pick and it went down hill from there. I had decided that I was going to take a top tier QB with my 2nd pick. But with 3 of the top 4 QBs left on the board, I figured one would make it back to me so I changed the plan.

Mistake #1 None of them did.

Mistake #2, Derek Anderson...... W...T...F... was I thinking. Still disturbed about missing out on Romo/Brees I guess.

Mistake # 3 - Rudi Johnson. Sure take Rudi, been hearing on the boards that he's bigger, meaner, and ready to go. Don't bother checking. whacko2.gif

Mistake # 4 - Kenny Watson.... Yea, that's right, you don't need need to research this pick, he's the backup, this will make the Rudi Pick better... whacko2.gif

Although I may of bailed myself out of the Anderson pick with Hass, and after the Watson pick I started to settle down a bit took a few chances on some interesting players like Meachem, Jordan/Morris (one of these guys will split carries in NE) and Engram but I don't think I will recover from the big 4 above. So unless I get lucky and Rudi showing up big, I don't see the Playoffs in my future.




TDFFFreak
It seems Tono and I are not as down on your team as you are JoJo. Don't be too hard on yourself. Your team is not that bad IMO.
Apocalypse
I like how my team turned out, although it wasn't the plan I had going into the draft (due to some of my guys going earlier than expected). I think it's fairly deep at the key positions, and could be a contender.

QB - Was hoping to wait and be able to snag Schaub and one of the guys I did end up getting. Schaub went earlier than expected so I grabbed two of my other guys back-to-back in Garrard and Favre. When Rogers was sitting out there and nobody else at another position stood out, I figured better safe than sorry at QB.

RB - Was looking at either Portis or MBIII at #8. Chose to go with the more clear cut feature back. Maroney was not my favorite choice, but he was the best of what was left at the time, and I think is underrated. Kevin Smith should be one of the best of the rookie group this year. Had to grab Brown when I saw him available and no other postion stood out, and then Rickey back-to-back just to lock down the Fins running game.

WR - I felt I may have reached a bit for Colston, but I didn't like the RBs here and I vowed not to take a QB early. I really like Welker and was thrilled to find him in the 3rd as my last WR in the second tier. Beyond the first two WRs, I think I drafted a steady group with upside.

K - I was able to wait a bit and still get a top guy.

DEF - I was pleased to be able to wait and still get one of the top defenses.

Teams I like:

TOS - If his RBs hold up, a strong team. Love the top-3 WRs.

MeWantee - First half of the draft was very similar to mine. Not necessarily the same players I would have taken, but good talent and depth all-around.

Hudy - Nice RB depth, Good QBs, At least one good WR and others with potential.

Not my favorite:

Milwaukee's Best - WRs don't do much for me and lack of depth at other positions is a little scary.

Moose & Squirrel - Love the WRs, but paid a price to get them as the RBs are very thin.

SF Drug Lords - Lack of RB depth will hurt.
Sir Loins of Beef
Newbie reporting in

Thoughts per team are on my preferences

TOS- +-Rice, Cotchery, Owens,Marshall
--Turner ( 8 men all day )--Brady ( hopefully he has the 2007 Moss injury)

Moose & Zee-+-Brees
--will be starting Clark most weeks-so WR depth needs WW

Bad Azz Warriors-+-Westbrook, Winslow, Jackson, Ginn, Smith
-Delhomme-McNabb-Grant-health

Miwaukee Best--Peterson, Witten, McFadden
--depth is a concern and upside looks limited

McWantee--Lynch, Jones, R. Williams, A.Johnson
---so much relies on AJ and Forte to come through this year

Ass Rapin Man-+-Cutler, Gore, MJD, Burress
--WR-TE core needs Qbs to step up--KC-STL and SD

Yo MaMa--+-Romo, LT, Edge, Rice, Morris
----if you can get 12 pts apc from your two WR per week

SF Druglords--+-Addai, Fitz, Holmes
---starting RB besides Addai and depth are issues

Hudy Delight--Ben,Wayne, White,Bush, Walker
----need Hightower or Perry to hit

Meglomania--+-Portis, Colston, Welker, Miami RB
---WR depth is a concern but the upside is there

Green Guy--+-Barber, Gates, Johnson, Palmer, Boldin
--- need Mendenhall --Evans to come through

Moose an Squirrel

Qb--Schaub(Hou)--Campbell(Wash)

RB-Denver-Young-Hall
Cleveland-Lewis-Wright
CJohnson(Tenn)
FJackson(Buff)
SSlaton(Hou)

WR-Edwards(Cleve)
Moss(NE)
CJohnson(DET)
DOwens(Hou)
Scheffler(Den)
Davis(SF)
JMorgan(SF)

K-Brown(Hou)

D-NE
---+ Receivers are a plus will start 4 a week
- Need Schaub to stay healthy for most of the season

Amused that a couple owners have viewed taking Owens-Scheffler and Davis as somewhat shady picks for my 4th through 6th wideouts

Looking forward to the year
TDFFFreak
QUOTE (Apocalypse @ 8/23/08 1:11pm) *
I like how my team turned out, although it wasn't the plan I had going into the draft (due to some of my guys going earlier than expected). I think it's fairly deep at the key positions, and could be a contender.

Teams I like:

TOS - If his RBs hold up, a strong team. Love the top-3 WRs.

MeWantee - First half of the draft was very similar to mine. Not necessarily the same players I would have taken, but good talent and depth all-around.

Hudy - Nice RB depth, Good QBs, At least one good WR and others with potential.

Not my favorite:

Milwaukee's Best - WRs don't do much for me and lack of depth at other positions is a little scary.

Moose & Squirrel - Love the WRs, but paid a price to get them as the RBs are very thin.
SF Drug Lords - Lack of RB depth will hurt.


Funny how we can differ so greatly on liking a team's prospects. Generally speaking I prefer a RB heavy squad, but this year shows the tides have shifted a little. I think Moose n Squirrel is clearly one the best teams in the league with that WR line up and while the RBs are not ideal, Chris Johnson has a huge upside and all he needs out of Young and Lewis is for them to live up to minimal expectations.
QUOTE (Sir Loins of Beef @ 8/23/08 3:05pm) *
Newbie reporting in


Amused that a couple owners have viewed taking Owens-Scheffler and Davis as somewhat shady picks for my 4th through 6th wideouts

Looking forward to the year

I didn't get the sense that anyone viewed Owens and Scheffler picks as "shady" per say. You already have an amazing 1-2-3 WR lineup so filling the roster with some upside TE guys, even in a non-TE required league seems okay to me unless you passed on a quality RB for one of them, I thought it as sound strategy.

I believe your team is absolutley one of the teams to beat.
Sir Loins of Beef
I understand about the runningbacks and if I had picked in the top 5 my team would have used them as cornerstones--but after checking out the Player performances for the last three years and adjusting my cheat sheet to that effect the second tier tight ends should end up with around 170 to ofi180 points and to me that is a value anywhere after round 8 and just didn't have any faith in backup runningbacks still left on the board at that point anyway that was my draft concept so I took a plunge in that direction so in for a nickel
yo mama
I didn't end up with the team I was expecting, but I'm happy with the team I've got.

- 1: LT was a no brainer.
- 2/3: wanted to go WR/WR here, but 8 had already flown off the board. Chad Johnson (pre injury) was my 9th ranked WR and I wanted at least 1 coming out of the turn. Romo is a true stud and I reluctantly took him over RBs and WRs that aren't nearly as dominanat at their positions. In retrospect, Romo was a great pick as the QBs I was targeting at the 4/5, 6/7, and 8/9 turns were drafted before I'd have had an opportunity to pick them. Romo was a disciplined pick, and I think it he'll do what a top-3 pick should do: form a powerful core to build off of.
- 4/5: I was perfectly happy to see Parker fall there. Edge was a "safe" pick, which was fine with me. Almost passed on one or the other for Brandon Marshall; would have passed on one or the other for Calvin Johnson but he wasn't there. Basically, the WR value didn't feel right and I knew the RBs at the 6/7 would be stank in comparison to Parker/Edge. Again, a disciplined pick: the goal wasn't to swing for the fences, the goal was to provide consistent, stable production to my core trio of stars. Edge and Parker should do that. I also now have incredible depth at RB.
- 6/7: had to go WRs here, and I was happy with Curtis. Of course, his injury status wasn't news yet because I wouldn't have drafted him there, otherwise. Could have drafted Driver instead of Burleson, but I like Burleson more. There were no better RBs or WRs to be taken, IMO. And reaching for a DEF or back up QB made no sense here.
- 8/9: I know I reached for Maurice Morris based on his ADP on draft day. But that pick is looking better by the day; a heck of lot better than Julius Jones 2 rounds earlier, anyway. Morris will be a movable chess piece in my line up as a flex starter and injury/bye week replacement guy. I'm real high on the guy in our format, where you can start 4 RBs, and wasn't willing to gamble he'd be there at the 10/11 turn. Fargas may be the one pick I regret most. I like Fargas well enough; he was certainly the highest ranked player on the board, IMO. But in hindsight a back up QB at that point would have freed up my late round draft more to my liking. I also felt forced to pick up Michael Bush late, who I don't really like on a stand-alone basis.
- 10/11: I was surprised that Dallas' DEF was the 4th DEF off the board; figured it would have been third. I may have over paid for them but I wanted them. People were clearly waiting on DEFs this year more than they have in past drafts, but I wasn't willing to gamble they'd still be there at the 12/13 turn. I'd have gone back up QB here, if Favre, Schaub, Delhomme, or some other had been available. But they weren't, and my choices were basically between my 2nd overall DEF choice or Phillip Rivers, who is just an okay back up QB, IMO. Plus, it is unlikely Romo will ever leave my starting line up, barring injury, so I didn't feel the need to pull the trigger on Rivers who might actually make it back to me. Sidney Rice as my #4 WR was an okay pick. I was targeting either him or V. Jackson, and I got one of them. Rice will likely be up and down all year, but should have a lot of value in the red zone. But overall, I think Rice has a very good chance to finish with equal or better stats than Berrian, who was obviously drafted much higher.
- 12/13: I was really starting to panic about my back up QB at this point, because the pickings were slim. So I had the nifty idea of drafting Warner *and* Leinhart at the turn in order to ensure a quality back up QB. Theyfill Romo's bye week spectacularly (playing in AZ, against SF) and I figure Warner will get the start eventually. If he does he's a top 10 fantasy QB. While it cost me two roster spots to pull it off (which cost me in later rounds by not being able to reach for late picks I liked most) I still like how I've put together a squad that is rock-freakin' solid at the RB and QB positions and one of my favorite DEFs. I know my WRs aren't a strength of my team, but you can't have everything.
- 14/15: I actually liked Ronald Curry here. He'll likely be the Raiders #1 WR by default. His value will come in the form of receptions; 70+ are certainly possible and Russell will take a big step forward this year. With a running game that will keep DEFs honest, Curry goes down as great value this deep. Seriously, that a teams' #1 WR was still available this deep in a draft is pretty rare. Plus, I needed a WR. Drafted Michael Bush based on a pre-rank. Really didn't want to take him, but felt it was necessary given the investment in Fargas. In retrospect I'd have rather passed on Bush, gambled that he'd still be there at 16/17, and drafted another WR (I really wanted Josh Morgan, but gambled he'd be there at 16/17, but he didn't make it).
- 16/17: these were preranked picks. The guys I really wanted all went before my pick, so I got stuck with guys I didn't care for. McCaireins is a starter, which is the best thing I can say about him; V. Young may kill his value, though. I ranked a bunch of kickers and one of them made it on to my roster. Baronis kicked more FGs than anyone else last year, so that's good. But he hasn't played yet this year due to a groin injury. That's bad. Whatever, kickers are a dime a dozen. I wish I'd be able to draft these picks in person.
- 18: computer pick due to the timer being used only after I leave for vacation. (Where the hell was the timer when people weren't around to make their picks during the first four days of the draft?)

Bottom-line: most teams went WR crazy this year, and I had hoped to do the same. But that wasn't in the cards for my team, given my draft position and the picks of those before me. So rather than reach for WRs at spots I didn't like I opted to go with a RB-heavy squad because the value was better, IMO. I'm unfortunately an early victim to injuries, which can happen to anyone, but at least its nothing season-ending. However, I put together a solid squad. There's really no weakness, except WR depth. And llooking around at most of the other teams in the league, who have serious problems with RB depth or iffy QBs, I'd rather have my brand of weakness than theirs. Productive WRs are easier to find during the season.

While I don't think I drafted the best squad in our league, I feel great about my chances to make the post season.
tonorator
yo, my brother ... i'm not sure you got all the RB depth you think you got. from what i can tell, parker may lose both goal line (mendenhall) and 3rd downs (moore). edge seems to also be losing touches and maybe the goal line to hightower. with all this splitting of time, i'm not sure either will be all that strong as your RB2. that leaves the only depth you have at the position to morris and fargas. i don't see it with morris. they now have that rookie and jones will still get carries ... and who knows if they will use TJ on the goal line.

i'm still thinking that if you go jamal in place of chad, you would have been setup for a completely different draft, eliminating the need to have curtis and burleson as key players on your squad.

time will tell, and you have proven yourself worthy in the past, but i'm concerned here.
yo mama
QUOTE (tonorator @ 8/25/08 9:11pm) *
yo, my brother ... i'm not sure you got all the RB depth you think you got. from what i can tell, parker may lose both goal line (mendenhall) and 3rd downs (moore). edge seems to also be losing touches and maybe the goal line to hightower. with all this splitting of time, i'm not sure either will be all that strong as your RB2. that leaves the only depth you have at the position to morris and fargas. i don't see it with morris. they now have that rookie and jones will still get carries ... and who knows if they will use TJ on the goal line.

i'm still thinking that if you go jamal in place of chad, you would have been setup for a completely different draft, eliminating the need to have curtis and burleson as key players on your squad.

time will tell, and you have proven yourself worthy in the past, but i'm concerned here.

Fine, let's say I draft Jamal at 2.12 instead of Chad Johnson: who is my WR1? I don't get to draft that guy until 4.12 and 19 WR/TEs were drafted by then. My WR1 options would have been like Harrison, Cotchery, Brandon Marshall, or a TE. No thanks.

I drafted Jamal at 3.3 back in 2006 and again at 5.1 in 2007. I know how to draft the guy if I want him, and I didn't want him (or any other RB2) at that spot, because it would have made my WR situation even shakier than it is. I'd still have drafted Kevin Curtis at the 6/7, and he'd still have gotten hurt, so I'd have been even more screwed because my WR1 would have been worse off.

So I basically, we're talking about:
Romo
LT
Edge
Parker
Chad Johnson
Curtis
Burleson

versus

Romo
LT
Jamal Lewis
Edge
Cotchery
Curtis
Burleson

I don't see how that makes for much of a different draft. At all. I exit Round 7 with exactly the same number of skill positions filled, and the projected differential between C. Johnson/Parker and Jamal/Cotchery is marginal, at best.
tonorator
QUOTE (yo mama @ 8/25/08 6:21pm) *
I don't see how that makes for much of a different draft. At all. I exit Round 7 with exactly the same number of skill positions filled, and the projected differential between C. Johnson/Parker and Jamal/Cotchery is marginal, at best.


well, i also don't like the curtis/burleson turn, as stated before, but it could have turned out fine (if curtis didn't get hurt). i do like maybe driver there and even chambers was on the board. you could have taken one of these guys and then picked up a RB like d'angelo or ricky.

here's hoping chad and curtis come back strong so we can see what this team can do ...

by the way, it's much more fun poking at your draft vs. facing mine. still kicking myself over letting barber pass. i would be much stronger with barber and say colston/edwards instead of wayne/bush i think. and mcgahee ... oh mcgahee ...
yo mama
QUOTE (tonorator @ 8/25/08 11:18pm) *
well, i also don't like the curtis/burleson turn, as stated before, but it could have turned out fine (if curtis didn't get hurt). i do like maybe driver there and even chambers was on the board. you could have taken one of these guys and then picked up a RB like d'angelo or ricky.

here's hoping chad and curtis come back strong so we can see what this team can do ...

by the way, it's much more fun poking at your draft vs. facing mine. still kicking myself over letting barber pass. i would be much stronger with barber and say colston/edwards instead of wayne/bush i think. and mcgahee ... oh mcgahee ...

I considered Driver, but stand by my Burleson choice in the alternative. As far as Chambers goes, I might have gone that route if I thought Gates wasn't going to play. But he will. There hasn't been a Chargers' WR worth much in FF terms for a couple years now, and I don't see that changing as long as the offense continues to run through LT and Gates.

Even so, under your alternative draft plan for my team you've only got me drafting 2 WRs after 7 picks (perhaps Cotchery at 4.12 and Driver at 6.12). I'm still scratching my head as to how that would make my team better than it is right now. And Ricky and DeAngelo are both in a time share, same as Morris and Fargas, who I landed 23 picks later. Considering Ricky is on the worst of those 4 teams, and DeAngelo will at best complement Stewart (unless Stewart is hurt) I'm not sure those alternatives would change my squad other than downgrading my WR3.

And just so I'm clear, you're worried about Edge (who you drafted last year at 2.6, but who I got this year at 5.1) because Hightower might pick off some carries? Yet, you paid a 4.4 pick for McGahee, who is hurt, on a worse team, and has Ray Rice also picking off carries if not threatening McGahee as the starter? think.gif

You don't like Parker because he's in a time share. Isn't Bush? Chris Perry? Fred Taylor? You don't think Bradshaw and Ward won't peck at Jacobs' playing time?

And I understand Chad Johnson is a little banged up right now. But he hasn't missed a game in FOUR YEARS (that, and during those 4 years he's never notched less than 1275 yards and 7 TDs) Edge has missed exactly 1 game in the last 4 years; Parker's only missed 2 games in 3 years. How many games did Bush miss just LAST last year? (4) Jacobs just last year? (5) Chris Perry last year? (16) McGahee? (1) Well, at least Fred Taylor doesn't have any history of injury... unsure.gif

Hey, I understand if you don't like my team: that's your prerogative. But I've yet to hear any legitimate suggestions as to how I missed an opportunity to make the Crooked Croupiers substantially better than it is, based on the talent that was available to me when I was picking. All I can say is that the folks in front of me didn't make very many mistakes that I could have capitalized off of. In hindsight the only real "mistake" I may have made might have been passing on a QB2 instead of Fargas at 9.1 so that I could have spent the last 1/3 of my draft slightly differently. Other than that, the only other potential improvement I think I might have passed on was Brandon Marshall or Selvin Young instead of Parker at 4.12 (because I was specifically targeting Edge where I got him and I'm happy I got him there). But if I had to do it over again today I'd still pick Parker, who was the NFL's 4th leading rusher last year despite missing a full game and getting hurt in another.
tonorator
oh, i'm no fan of my draft, believe me.

i was just more interested in your thinking behind your picks and if you were happy with how things turned out. sounds like you are not exactly thrilled, but have the team you wanted and would largely have if we did it again. that's cool. i'm excited to see what happens once the real numbers start rolling in ...
yo mama
QUOTE (tonorator @ 8/26/08 1:42am) *
oh, i'm no fan of my draft, believe me.

i was just more interested in your thinking behind your picks and if you were happy with how things turned out. sounds like you are not exactly thrilled, but have the team you wanted and would largely have if we did it again. that's cool. i'm excited to see what happens once the real numbers start rolling in ...

I dunno, I'm not "thrilled" but a big part of that has to do with the injuries to Curtis and Chad. If they were perfectly healthy I really wouldn't have any complaints. I was targeting the following players, all of whom I got:
- LT
- Chad
- Edge
- Curtis
- Burleson
- Morris
- Cowboys' DEF

So I was very happy there. Romo was a blessing in disguise. So while I didn't get *exactly* the team I wanted, I got about half of it. But starting the season down your top 2 WRs would be a shot in the nuts to any team. And now I hear Chad has a partially torn labrum. Super. glare.gif
TDFFFreak
QUOTE (yo mama @ 8/26/08 12:52am) *
I dunno, I'm not "thrilled" but a big part of that has to do with the injuries to Curtis and Chad. If they were perfectly healthy I really wouldn't have any complaints. I was targeting the following players, all of whom I got:
- LT
- Chad
- Edge
- Curtis
- Burleson
- Morris
- Cowboys' DEF

So I was very happy there. Romo was a blessing in disguise. So while I didn't get *exactly* the team I wanted, I got about half of it. But starting the season down your top 2 WRs would be a shot in the nuts to any team. And now I hear Chad has a partially torn labrum. Super. glare.gif

It's funny. Reading this discussion, the one thing that really hasn't been talked much about is the pick of Romo. It may come down to different drafting philosophies, but that's the pick that I would have done differently. You say Romo was a "blessing in disguise", but I think you expect him to be there and in most drafts I see (as long as they are not populated with Cowboys homers), he's drafted somewhere in the mid to late 3rd round. I would have loaded up on another top WR or tier 2 RB along with the Chad Johnson pick (a player who I liked before this injury thing, but still thought many were reaching for him including you in this instance). Of course, some people are dead set about getting a possible top QB and others are more than happy to wait once those first 4 QBs are taken. Me personally, I'd rather have LT, Johson (pre-injury, of course) and Jamal Lewis or McFadden or Steve Smith or Holmes. You get the idea...
tonorator
QUOTE (tonorator @ 8/25/08 5:11pm) *
i'm still thinking that if you go jamal in place of chad, you would have been setup for a completely different draft, eliminating the need to have curtis and burleson as key players on your squad.



QUOTE (yo mama @ 8/25/08 6:21pm) *
Fine, let's say I draft Jamal at 2.12 instead of Chad Johnson: who is my WR1? I don't get to draft that guy until 4.12 and 19 WR/TEs were drafted by then. My WR1 options would have been like Harrison, Cotchery, Brandon Marshall, or a TE. No thanks.



QUOTE (yo mama @ 8/25/08 8:16pm) *
Even so, under your alternative draft plan for my team you've only got me drafting 2 WRs after 7 picks (perhaps Cotchery at 4.12 and Driver at 6.12). I'm still scratching my head as to how that would make my team better than it is right now. And Ricky and DeAngelo are both in a time share, same as Morris and Fargas, who I landed 23 picks later. Considering Ricky is on the worst of those 4 teams, and DeAngelo will at best complement Stewart (unless Stewart is hurt) I'm not sure those alternatives would change my squad other than downgrading my WR3.


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yo mama
QUOTE (tonorator @ 9/9/08 2:52pm) *
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Did you come to revel in the injuries to my team? That's real classy.
tonorator
QUOTE (yo mama @ 9/9/08 2:15pm) *
Did you come to revel in the injuries to my team? That's real classy.


it's fun getting you all riled up!

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