If an offensive player (like Felix Jones) scores a special teams TD (like he did on Monday when he ran back a kick-off), he should get credit for it. Can we change that?

Who's with me!!!!

For next year, I'd be all for it so long as we removed it from the Team Defense scoring.

I would not be in favor of such a change. An issue for 2009.

And yet another opinion, I would prefer that both the St/D and the player get the points if we do it.

I LIKE it!!!!

That's the rule in my local.

I thought we already had that rule. It would only be fair for both player and DEF to get the points.

I vote YES.

I agree with both

So, if I have Hester and the Bears and start both I should get double points for the same scoring play? I just can't bring myself to agree with a rule that rewards multiple "players" for the same action (and passing and receiving are different actions lest someone try to pull that one).

Maybe we should go IDP so it is a non-issue

It doesn't happen very often that an owner starts both the player and the defense, but even if that's the case the number of points we're talking about is not all that great.

The way we have it structured now if you start a player and he scores a special-team TD, your team gets nothing. That's not right, IMO.

I disagree.
You start two "players" in your line up and I don't see it as any different than starting a QB and a WR from the same team and both getting points for a TD. Very few return men really factor in to an offense anyway, so I don't see why when it happens they shouldn't be rewarded the points.

I think it can be argued both ways, with valid points on either side. Technically, team defenses don't execute any actions, the players do. In my opinion, it's pretty similar to one playing scoring points for a QB and a receiver.

That said, I think it should be voted on during the off-season... the rules clearly cover the scoring, and it doesn't include return TD's for RB's or WR's. Assuming that most of us look at the scoring format before the draft, I think it would be unfair to change the rules mid-season. So, I'm in favor of changing it... just not right now.

But, as noted in my initial reply, the act of throwing the ball and the act of catching the ball are very different actions, thus rewarded separately.

Returning the kick is returning the kick, so the points would be getting counted twice. It does not matter if they are for players both on your team or if one team has the actual returner and another has the team defense/special teams, the exact same action is providing the points for both, and in my opinion, that is wrong.

That's fine. Can we pin this and save it for a vote in the off-season??


We obviously don't agree on this and aren't going to change each other's opinion.

Go IDP and the problem is solved. That way any action performed by a player is credited to the player.

IMO, when using a team spot like we do for defense/ST, the scoring by that team position trumps the individual. The individual is performing the act for the "team position" for fantasy purposes.

I notice that the 4983 league, of which you are a member, does not score special teams/return TDs for the individual, just for the team, yet I do not see you asking for the rule to be changed in their forum. (Just giving you grief, but it does seem odd that it is an issue in this league but not there)

I would vote no on this as well...when I go into a draft I value D/ST higher/lower with a good/bad return guy on it. If you want the points for returns, then draft a good D/ST.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I will bring up this issue in that league during the off-season as well.

Actually, the more I think about this one, the more I'm convinced that there is no right/wrong answer. The key is establishing the rules prior to the draft, so everybody knows what to expect in regards to scoring. Clearly, this type of change would affect everyone's draft strategy, slightly if nothing else. I just think it's not something you can fairly change mid-season. That said, I would be OK with it either way... Like I said, I don't think you can say there is a right or wrong way of looking at it, entirely.

I do, however, think that we should implement a rule that says that, if you're the second-highest scorer for the week, and you lost to the highest, you still get a "W" in the standings.

we could call it the "Donnybrook Clause"

I like it!