With games scheduled on Thursday the rest of the year, do the days/times for blind bids and waivers change?

The BB stays the same, but the FCFS and trades will have a very small window as follows:
# First Come, First Served Waivers starts at 4:00 p.m.
# First Come, First Served Waivers ends at 7:15 p.m.
# No Waivers Allowed starts at 7:15 p.m.
# No Trades Allowed starts at 7:15 p.m.

There needs to be some serious thought on changing this next year....

What would you propose? I'm always willing to bring things to HAG.

WW ends on Wed. somewhere between 9p and midnight.

My thoughts exactly..... Gives you all day Thursday to get to a computer if you need to. Some people have limited access (that damm pesky work) and that small of a window is a pain.

Free agent pickup shoukld start after BBs have been processed (or say midnight), and end at start time of first game of the week.

What is this thing called work??? I agree , by the way.

I think it should be possible to have FCFS run through Sunday kickoff and simply lock all the participants in the Thursday games. That would get rid of the tiny window but not allow FCFS pickups of sudden unexpected studs.

I think we can all agree a change in rules this late in the season is not a good idea. I'll see what the other commishes are doing.

+1 to that. We should look at this for next year, not this.

Better check the league calendar as it says waivers start at 9pm wed, starting with week 12

Also just for the hell of it i decided to check the rules and here is what they say:

In addition to the blind bid, there will be a first come first served period in FA/WW. This period is from the time the weeks bids are resolved (either as they are processed automatically on MFL, or if that is an unsuccessful method after the bids are resolved by hand) until kickoff of the first game. Teams are limited to 15 FCFS moves for the season, with each move costing $10 of your HAG dollars. There is no limit to the number of FCFS moves you can make in a week, excepting if you run out of your 15 moves. Players dropped may not be picked up until the next week's FA/WW period.

I i read this correctly they should be open immediatly after BB and closed upon the start of the 1st game

The "Rules" on the MFL site say this about FCFS:

Prevent Owners From Making FCFS Waivers/Free Agent Moves Between Kickoff of that player's game and the end of the last game of the week? Yes

Which seems to be the way I think it ought to be - FCFS is open from BB close until a player's team has started their game. That is, you could pick up a Thursday player up until game time Thursday, but Sunday players would still be available until their game time on Sunday.

But is this our actual rule?

I've taken this over to the HAG Commishes forum.

The FCFS window is certainly compressed by the stupid Thursday games (I hate the Thursday games for any number of reasons) but the rule says "first game" and that's Thursday.

My point is that FCFS doesn't open up imediatly after BB are processed. We have to wait almost a whole day before we can make a pickup. I forgot i needed a TE this week and after BB were processed i couldn't get in to do that. I had to wait until late thurs and hope i got home from work on time to be able to submit my pick.

+ 1,000,000

League calendar shows BB ending at 9:00pm on Wednesday while FCFS doesn't start until 4:00pm Thursday. Given the Thursday close, the window is a laughable 3 1/2 hours only.

The logic behind the gap between BB processing and FCFS opening was to avoid giving an advantage to those who can sit at their PC all night and snatch up anyone not picked up on BB. It also allows everyone to figure out who has been picked up by which team (and who has been dropped, though those are locked). The problem, obviously, is that now the window is extremely tiny.

The Thursday games have really thrown a wrench into the logic IMO and we are going to have to look at this again with a view to keeping FCFS open through at least Sunday kickoff, even when the Saturday games start. After all, we should only need to lock those players whose games have started to prevent them being available via FCFS - other players would still be available.

We absolutely must have all HAG leagues act in concert so this may not get fixed this year.

Well said Ursa.
If there is an easy way (automatic, so as to eliminate errors) I'm all for it and I'm sure we can get it thru HAG.

Not to be a pest here but whatever the logic is, it doesn't follow the rules that are in place NOW. They should be open immediatly after BB are processed, this is what the rules state. This shouldn't need any league approval, it's not a change.
edit to add-sitting at the pc to pick up the leftovers after BB is not really any kind of advantage since dropped players are locked and anyone worth anything will surely be picked up during BB.
pss-I am also a strong supporter of keeping FCFS open until the kickoff of at least Sundays games

Hmmm. You appear to be right.



I'll confer with RR over this. Weird this hasn't been seen before.

First of all, remember FCFS was NOT in the original rules. We instituted that in year #2 or#3....can't remember which. We added FCFS w/ the thought that it would start after the BB's were processed. BUT.... Back then we were doing them by hand and the commish (me) had to process them, and then hand them off to the co-commish (Randall). Even if I processed the BB's at 9pm sharp, there was no guarantee that Randall could have time to check them immediately, not to mention me (after Randall's approval) then having to post results in HOT, wait a few hours for a potential protest, and then make it official. (and as it turned out I would get his confirmation about the same time that I am posting them now but still had to wait for protests). So we needed a window that was reasonable so as not to have the FCFS open before we could procees the BB and still have time to post them in HOT for all to see, avoiding a major mess!
Anyway...that's the history and why it is what it is.
I'll admit since the almost flawless, automatic system we have now expedites it greatly, there can't be an automatic "turn on" of FCFS w/o relying on fully automatic BB resolution. Understand, that I still go thru the BB line by line to insure accuracy, and most weeks I can't do that at 9pm on Wednesday night. Plus if I recall correctly, we didn't want it immediate to give the "night owls/West Coasters" an advantage by opening FCFS at midnite. I followed the protocol at the time.
I could go on but we'll end the history lesson there.
Call me selfish, but sometimes I'm not around at 9pm Wednesday night and realize as I stated above, that i still go thru each bid as if we were still doing manually. Not an excuse, but a reason.
BTW...did I mention that I was the one (w/ MFL help to figger out how to process the BB automatically???) No applause please.
I have been trying to get them out by 9am CT every Thursday and I think I fulfilled that so far this season. So.....
Could we open up FCFS earlier? Yes! Noon CT Thursday is doable, I think.
Will 4 hours make a difference? Answer this one....cause I don't see it as a biggie.
Should we have an FCFS AFTER the Thursday game? NO! Unless there is a foolproof automatic way of locking players in the Thursday game. And even then I would say NO, because I think we all can plan around these games (by the way that WAS an original intent prior to instituting FCFS as several people voiced it exactly that way..in a harsh word "PLAN!!!"), BUT if yall want it, Ursa and I will bring it to HAG for next year.

Lastly:
1) al you are right about the FCFS potentially being opened immediately after BB's are processed, but read above and maybe you'll understand why I don't think "immediate" is possible. Suggs on how to do that are always welcome.
2) I, personally don't think FCFS is necessary after the Thursday games....but I'm easy. Convince me that we can lock players of the Thursday game automatically, and I will listen.
3) This is a question....and nasty perhaps, but when we (I include myself) FCFS a player on Sunday morning are we really doing this out of necessity or is it because we just didn't feel like doing it earlier, and/or do we really need those players for Sunday/Monday games????

As always, I'm your commish (BTW...the job is always open...and I truly mean that) and will always bring unbiased opinions/rule changes/whatever to HAG. When it comes to the vote, I will always do a poll in HOT and vote accordingly, regardless of my personal opinions. Remember...I am a die hard union man and will take their philosophy/MO to my grave!

Discuss/demand as you wish. I will follow thru to the best of my ability.
RR26

PS: Please read the whole post. It's wordy, but I think fairly accurate. Feel free to question anything I said.

Good post. As an originating commish, I do recall the history and you are spot on.



All that said, this must wait until 2009. RR - I think you are perhaps the best and most conscientious commish I have ever worked with, bar none.

You do not need to examine the BB line by line as the MFL system has been in place for many seasons and is as close to foolproof as it is possible to get.

I read the whole post.

It seems to say that we're still doing it the old way because that's the way we did it then! Why do you have to check the BB done by the MFL? Don't they do it exactly as our bids ask? There is NO reason not to open FCFS immediately after the site has done its BBs.

As to giving some advantage to us WCers, as somebody posted earlier, any FA of any value has already been picked in BB, and the only real reason for anybody to use the FCFS immediately after BB is because of not getting somebody in BB (being outbid) and still needing someone to fill out a starting lineup. And then for the next few days there is always the last minute need due to injury.

It seems to me that we need to follow the original intent of the rules and open FCFS immediately after BBs are processed. I'm sure MFL accomodates this.

Tom i'm not trying to say your a bad commish, on the contrary you are probably the best commish i have ever played in a league with. All the money in the world couldn't get me to do your job. I had this exact same complaint last year as it's very hard for me to get to the computer during the day and I believe it was changed to FCFS right after BB but i'm not sure. And anyone who thinks we have an advantage AFTER BB have been processed, well they are the ones who screwed up because they could have had anyone they wanted before i did by just bidding a $1 (Remember dropped players are locked until the following week). It's not really being lazy as much as having more important things to worry about sometimes. I'm not saying it's every week but sometimes you have a rough week at work and FF is the last thing on your mind. And before you know it you've missed the deadline for waivers. I just want to be able to field a full and competitive lineup every week and see no need for restrictions on waivers.

My diatribe will come hopefully tomorrow. BUT................
AL,
I took no offense to what you said. I don't think you COULD say something that would piss me off! We're too tight for that, my friend!
I'm here for all comments, gripes, etc.. If my post singled out your comment,Al, I apologize.
As far as the rest of this issue....
I have to do some research. I will comment fully tomorrow. Sorry but I just got back from 'zona, and as soon as I got home I had voicemails/emails attacking me from HS reunion people for being unavailable when they needed me!!! Isn't it great to be loved/needed??? Then they beat me up for not having the pics from our 40th! I didn't take the pics!!!!!! But a good bud who is a little flakey has them and I guess I'm responsible. Long story short....I got home 2.5 hours ago and I just got off the phone w/ all these people!!!
I'm on top of this but my initial comments are:
1) There is no way I can find to initiate an event w/ an event. It's all time based. Anyone w/ more knowledge of MFL...Speak up.
2) The time issue can be resolved by a few hours, I think, if my co-commish will help (No I never asked him, my bad.)
3) Expanding the FCFS past "The first KO" is NOT gonna happen this year, as it is a major rule change, and frankly I don't like it. But I will support reasonable reasons for doing so, but I don't think MFL can do it. I could be wrong but it WILL be a discussion in HAG.
Was this a diatribe???? If it was, yall got another one coming!
FWIW..............I actually played a player on a bye this week in another league!!! First time in 15+ years of playing this stupid game I ever did that.
Anyway....I'm on this subject/concern.
Back at yall later!
rr26

I think we have a resolution that is according to the rules and will open FCFS earlier. My conversation w/ MFL:


I have already changed the calendar and I hope it works, cause if it doesn't and FCFS opens before BB's are processed, IT is gonna be messy.
So this week (and if all goes well, the rest of the season) FCFS will start once BB's are processed. It may not be exactly 10pm ET, but I will make every effort to at least process the BB's prior to Midnite CT. The postings may not get done until Thursday AM. Make sure yall have email alerts turned on for the BB/WW, that way you'll know when the bids were processed, opening FCFS. (Go to your advanced setup page) The other issue of opening FCFS AFTER the Thursday game, is a rule change, so it will be discussed in HAG in the off season.
I hope this makes everyone happy, but keep your fingers crossed.

You need more faith in the technology.

Seriously, it will work as you have defined.

Tom-Good job. You are appreciated. Being a commish is hard work-but- it's worth the big bucks!

DUH! Been burned too many times to stick my hand in the fire anymore.
BTW ALL,
The bids are now set to be auto-processed thanks to Ursa's sugg. So....the FCFS WILL open at 10pm ET on Wed. nite. Thanks again Ursa.




Thanks!

All I can say is that you guys are really doing one heck of a job.
Thanks, and put yourselves in for a raise

I'll have 100%. Thanks!

Wait, what is 100% of f all?

I'm not as greedy as Ursa. 15% for me 10% for Ursa. Hey we're in Obamanomics!

This is the best-run league I'm in, and it's because of the co-commishes.

Good job, you two!!!!!!!

Thanks, Doc! Always appreciated!

+1, thank you. The credit goes to the ex-teacher. I just make up the numbers.