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1. I would like to see FAs available until their game time. This thing about locking them down on the Thursday kick-off is crap. Case in point: There are 9 of the 12 teams that are currently carrying 1 PK. After the Thur kickoff (deadline to pickup FAs), it was reported that JElam is now questionable, and has not practiced the last 2 days. The JElam owner has NO chance to make a move, if he/Bunz so desired, because of our rules.

I'd be on board with the above suggestion. In addition, I'd like to see PPR scoring considered - even 1/2 point per catch would be fine. Most of my other leagues use some variation of PPR, so I guess I'm used to it.

Hmmm.....these Thursday games do put a wrench in a few things. While I love having a game to watch on Thursdays, it does force you, as an FF player, to think a bit a head and plan accordingly. But bye weeks take some juggling too. As an owner it's up to you to decide who is more valuable, a running back you would only use during a bye week.....or an extra kicker or defense. Maybe a better solution to this would be to increase the rosters a slot or two after a certain week, or perhaps for the whole season....and if we do that, make it mandatory to carry at least two kickers and two D's. I shy away from most things termed "mandatory." Who knows.

Certainly deserves some discussion. I carry 2 kickers because I've been burned on that before. Kicker came up lame the week before playoffs and FA was over. And there are still weeks I flirt with disaster and carry only one.....lol.

Addressing specifically the Elam comment......there were articles on Weds and Thursday that he did not practice. Admittedly everyone said he should play week 11 anyway. But in this era of teams playing with their inactive/injury lists.....it should have made the owner reevaluate carrying a second kicker. If your normal routine, as an owner, is to only sit down on Sunday mornings to read injury/inactive reports...then you're in trouble anyway.....LOL. There are lots of leagues where FA is a finite/one time event every week...you snooze, you lose. You don't put in enough alternative choices.....you lose. So I have little sympathy for someone needing a kicker at the last minute, especially if they CHOOSE to carry only one.



I'm partial to PPR too.


A topic close to my heart (because I've been burned a few times this year......lol) is that I believe any points garnered by any positional player (read offensive player) on your team SHOULD count for you, if you choose to play him. WRs and RBs that score TDs on kickoffs or punts SHOULD count if you've put that player in your lineup. I don't really care that they already "count" for whoever has that SP/DEF. There's no rule that scoring can only count for one entity in football/fantasy football.....lol. A QB throwing a TD gets points......as does the receiver catching the same TD.


One of the beautiful things about this league......is that it is a simple performance league. Nothing too fancy or restricting. I wouldn't want to weigh it down with a bunch more rules.....but I think it would be nice to readdress some of our rules and scoring for next year and beyond.

Great topic starter Rhino!

I am all for suggestions that make us all more into our league. Feel free to suggest away and then we can hash some things out in the off season. Sort of gives us something to do.

Waivers on Wed night, then FCFS until game kickoffs.

PPR would be good.... Should be able to pickup FA up til the first games on Sunday.

I'd be willing to discuss FCFS until the 1:00 games on Sunday (first games). Start times of individual players I don't think is doable. We'd also have to track Thursday players.....you wouldn't be able to play them after the fact obviously.....but I also don't think you should be able to usurp the Waiver Request process and pick them up after their game either. (ie...you see Owens get hurt in the Thursday game and think picking up Crayton before Sunday @ 1pm might be wise...etc.)

Just remember.....there are limitations with the MFL software. I've been lobbying MFL for 2 years about being able to field different lineups on doubleheader weeks. They say they just don't have enough requests for it to write it into the program.

MFL is capable of locking players from the time their game starts until the next waiver runs (or FCFS if your league uses that). My local does this and it really works well. In the case you mentioned above, you could pick up Crayton before the Thursday game, but if TO got hurt you would have to wait until the next Thursday before he would be available via waivers.

I just saw that on MFL today, Zia.....nice! That's a new one!

And I just noticed about 2 weeks ago in MSHB.....someone doing FCFS on a Saturday, when I thought it was closed after the first game of the week on Thursday. Seems to work pretty well! Sorry I didn't know about this.....we'll definitely do it next year I think!

The ideas above are good ones. I'd like to see less of a All or nothing league with more payouts based on regular season finish.

I'd like to see PPR too.

+1

Pop out a suggestion or two and we can start to hammer out how we might like to do payouts.

Waivers is a no brainer and I am sure that will pass with little debate. Lock the Thursday guys and then have FCFS up until the 1pm games.

PPR is up for debate as well. Someone that is into PPR and wants us to consider it is welcome to toss a suggested mode of PPR out there and we can get that rolling as well.

Anything else that anyone wants out there, now is the time.

Wasn't there something missing about fumbles for TD's that is covered? A minor issue, but I feel that if there is a TD someone HAS to get credit for it.

Yep....that was me. I had 3 PRs/KORs for TDs by my players in ONE game.......none counted. And I lost......LOL. And was one game short of making the playoffs.

But even if it DIDN'T happen to me......I'd think if you play a guy...any TDs he makes should count, regardless of how they are made.

This is one that I do not agree with.

Take Holmes in the Pitt/SD game and his punt return TD. That TD was, (or would have been), scored for the Steeler Defense/ST. Now if we would give that TD to Holmes then what would we do to the TD that should be given to the Steeler D/ST? I am never in favor of giving points more than once and IMHO it is a D/ST TD. I have only played in one league in the past 20 plus years that I have been playing fantasy football that gave that TD to the player. I know there are leagues out there that do give that TD to the player but I am just not in favor of it.

That's just my two cents.

Sorry Bunzie, but I'm with Skippy on this one - it's a DF/ST score, or we cross into the realm of coming up with a scheme for (overly?) complicated individual special teams, fumble/int, etc, etc return yards & points.

You two act like NO score ever counts for more than one player. Ummm.......I believe a passing TD counts for the QB......and the WR/RB/TE catching it......correct? A KR or PR should count for both ST/DEF and the player who made the TD. Let's face it.....how many individual players out there are more than return players AND would even be ON a team in the first place in this league. Most are special teams players only and a few are even defensive players. They'd never be in anyone's lineup. There are a few exceptions. Guys who are WRs and RBs and are starters.

My strategy was never to pick out guys that had return duties. Quite frankly I'd prefer my guys to NOT have return duties.....too easy to get hurt badly. But if they throw my RB or WR out there to return kicks.....and I happen to have him playing......why wouldn't I get the score? Why does a running back get any points for pass catching yardage or passing TDs? If you want to be a purist......shouldn't he ONLY get rushing yards and rushing TDs?

Only offensive individual players are eligible to be on our rosters. So you think that they can ONLY produce scoring for us if they are ON offense at the time? Is that where you're coming from on this?

I'm not asking for any overly complicated scheme here......LOL. And I'm certainly not asking for "all purpose yardage" or anything. I just think if you have an offensive player that makes a TD some way other than on offense......it should count for you if you happened to have played him. Just like we award TDs when a player plays out of his position (ie. LT throwing a TD or Hines Ward rushing for one or Joe Flacco catching one). I understand all these guys would be generating points WHILE on offense. I just think if you give a roster spot to a player......you should get all the points he generates. Regardless of how he generates them.

I'm not mad or anything.......lol. Shaking my head a bit......but definitely not mad. If you don't want to throw it to a vote......don't. Just stating my case here.

I'm to tired to read it all right now Jules. I just want to touch on this part.

Anything can be put up for a vote. This thread is a suggestion box and based on the suggestions, some of us toss out an opinion. Just an opinion. I know you are not mad as I know you well enough and I know you know me well enough. So my quick point before I head to bed is that you should feel free to suggest and ask to vote on anything that you feel the need to vote on.

This thing is all of ours so all of us can and should contribute whatever we think matters. Tomorrow I am going to really read what you wrote up there and then reply.

Sorry Skippy, but I'm with Bunzie on this one - Players should be rewarded for the points they score, regardless of how they score them. If we are going to get technical, then we should do away with PATs and FGs too since they are scored when the ST is on the field.

Agree here and w/ Bunz, but I was thinking about a situation where a 'D' intercepted, then fumbled into the endzone, another player from the 'D' recovered for the TD, but due to the fumble the 'D' turned to 'O' and the 'D/ST' did not get credit. Or some such. Damn my memory... ...but it's a simple switch on MFL that needs to be turned on.

Actually, that part is not a problem, RR.

The team that starts the play on the field is the team that gets the score. If the Defense was on the field and intercepted the ball then fumbled the ball and the other that tossed the interception picked up the fumble, they would still be the offensive team.

So, if Ed Reed intercepted the ball and ran it to the 20 then Hines Ward decleated him causing him to fumble the ball and Willie Parker picked that ball up and scored a TD, it would be a Willie Parker TD and not a D/ST TD. This bridge has been crossed a few times in the last 20 years and FFLM, now MFL, scores it that way. Any other way would have to be manually set up.

For you guys that want Players to get those Kickoff or ST TD's, would you also still want the D/ST to also get that TD?

In theory, if I drafted Santanio Holmes then that would make the Pitt D much more valuable to me as I have that chance to double dip. He is just one example and not really a great one but if we are going to give the TD's then I guess we would award yardage as well right? Then that really changes the value of players in respect to your Defense.

Again, I am not for it but it is not the end of the world for me. As long as we are all under the same rules then it is what it is in my world.

No....no yardage on PRs and KRs.

As far as double dipping......I don't think that's any different than having Brees and Colston on your team. Point is this......it has to make sense to have these guys by themselves, taking up a roster spot anyway......right? We have limited roster slots. Having someone like Holmes.....or Bush.....or Desean Jackson......ONLY makes sense if they do something OTHER than run back kicks. And these guys do. They start. On the other side of the coin.....you'd have to want the Defense on your team as well. You wouldn't keep them on the OFF CHANCE you'd get a double dip......right?

A good example was Devin Hester when he was basically ONLY special teams. He's listed as a WR and was eligible for our teams. But if he never lined up in the game on offense......how valuable would those 4 returns for TDs in 16 games have been to an owner in LB if they had him on a team and played him every week AND we'd counted PR and KR TDs? STILL almost like throwing up a zero. Because he wasn't a starter. I doubt anyone would have spent a roster spot on him for an average of 1.5 pts per week.

And Hester is arguably one of the best returners we've ever seen. So I'm not trying to "get more players involved in scoring" in Late Bloomers. I'm simply saying if you HAPPEN to have an offensive guy on your team who takes the run back duties (sometimes or all the time.....I don't care).....he should also get the score IF he gets one. I think it goes without saying the D/SpT should get it too.

That's all. Nothing fancy. No weird scoring rules. No added yardage. Just the TD. I wouldn't even care if you decided to make THOSE TDs worth something other than 6 pts. (Like QBs get 4 pts for throwing one) I just think they should get credit in the form of points.

I submit that we award individual FF points for punt/kick return TDs as follows:

- if by a RB, 6 points
- if by a WR, 8 points
- if by a DB, 12 points
- if by any other position, 16 points

In addition, the Team D/ST the individual player is on in the NFL gets equivalent minus points ... for example, if Deshaun Jackson returns a punt for a score, his FF owner gets +8 points ... while the FF owner that started the Eagles Team D/ST that game gets -8 points for the return, even if the Eagles Team D/ST is not involved in Jackson's FF game ... ie, Bunz is playing Skippy & I'm playing Grunge - Bunz has Jackson as an individual player, Grunge has the Eagles D/ST ... Bunz gets +8 for the punt return, Grunge gets -8,. Finally, I suggest that we give a 2 point bonus for the play should the return be made into the wind ... subtract 2 points if with the wind ... no plus/minus bonus if the wind is neutral, ie < 3mph at the time of the return.

This scheme will allow us to avoid introducing any complicated / hard to track yardage point calculations, but still offer the proper team & individual FF points rewards that Late Bloomers is apparently lacking at present.

What could be simpler?



Seriously though - I am fine with whatever the rest of the Late Bloomers owners are in favor of as regards this individual vs. team return points debate goes - maybe I just don't care for change, or maybe I'm a traditionalist, or whatever you want to call it - but I kinda/sorta like the old standard "Team D/ST gets the return points" approach we currently use ... regardless, I can certainly live with a different rule on this if others prefer the "individual" approach, so whatever way the vote ends up deciding, I'm totally cool with.

Carry on.

Why are you being such a butthead? Tigger shorts too tight?

I was only thinking......maybe 3 pts for a PR or KR to the individual player....instead of the whole 6, but 6 pts for the D/ST.

I'm REALLY sorry your BenGals SUCK, ts.

Go Steelers!

OK.....you KNOW my use of the word butthead was done with complete affection.....right?

LOL - I don't think I've been called a "butthead" since like - 7th grade - makes me feel young again. And, to answer your original question Bunzie, there is no way that my Tigger shorts could be anything other than "too tight" given what they have to keep under cover - if you know what I mean.



Anyway - back to the topic at hand - as I mentioned, I'm a bit of a traditionalist when it comes to D/ST scoring, so am quite happy with the rules as they stand now, but at the same time don't have a strong feeling one way or the other about changing it up for the future - so would be on board with allowing some sort of individual points reward for punt & kickoff return scores if that's what the majority of the LB owners would prefer.

However the scoring shakes out for next season though - if we keep things "as-is" or if a rule change is implemented - I think I might just have to use the off season to consider a name change for my team next year ... the "Flaming Buttheads" or "Shorts Too Tight" or something.

Say what now?