As we all know, an open team has been intorduced and the prior owner has left us in a bad situation. He traded away his 1st, 3rd and 5th round picks which he should pay $ 100 per the rules regardless of whether he stays in the league or not. He also stated he will not pay what is owed to the league (a low class move and indicative of the type of person he is). At this point $ 15 is paid towards his team for his 1 weekly win. We will need to make a decision how to handle quickly so we can find a new owner (I have already begun the search).

Possible ideas:

1. DCon raised some type of supplemental pick. I would propose the last pick in the 1st round (which would allow the team to keep Marshawn Lynch as a possible keeper). I completely believe the previous owner didn't understand a keeper league and that's why he traded what he did along with the fact that he knew he was leaving.

2. If we did the above, I'd want to collect a reduced fee in year 1 ($ 30) and we would reduce the payout to the Champion and runner-up a small amount next year.

Post any other ideas you have or what your thoughts are to the above.

I can go with option 1 ONLY IF the new owner keeps Lynch. And I am absolutly fine with number 2.....I said number 2. lol

The option for a reduced entry fee for 2009 is spot on! This was something that lured me into a recent keeper/dynasty league, in which I was taking over a roster that was run into the ground, but at least had a couple of bright spots.

I'm not sure how I feel about the supplemental picks. I understand that not having these picks is going to hurt the future owner, however, the current list of players and their draft values on this vacant team isn't half bad.

Cutler @ 12th = good value or really good value
R Brown @ 4th = decent value
Boldin @ 2nd = fair market value
Marshall @ 16th = ridiculous cheap value
R White @ 4th = good value

While this squad doesn't have a rookie worth holding, IMO, there are at least three players that can be traded off of this roster to either add picks or at least improve the draft situation. I also didn't list M. Lynch @ 1st round, which is decent value and can also be traded, and subsequently wouldn't affect the siuation of a lack of a 1st.

i'm not saying it's an easy fix or something that a new owner should 'have to' deal with, I'm just trying to highlight that the cupboard isn't completely bare either.

I'm always majority rules. We all knew this gonad was gonna do this. When he traded his #1 for Boldin, I knew it. Selling his team to a new owner will be a good one.

Option #2 works for me.

Where did we find BOB anyway?

I think it was Footballguys. Certainly wasn't the Huddle as they are always upstanding

edit too add: COme to think of it...I think the Jersey Tomatoes was from FBG as well. Looks like the Wasted Team is the only FBGers in this league that has worked out well. (of course I don't remember where some of you guys came from since Neil did most of the recruiting)

I've contacted 1 Huddler close to the area and will be contacting another this weekend. If anyone else knows of HUddlers in the area...I'd like to turn to this site first.

i agree with deathrow that the cupboard isn't that bare and the reduced entry fee is a good start. the guys he got in exchange for those picks he traded away should be able to reel in better picks or a pretty decent rookie keeper. perhaps the solution is something as simple as saying we'll let him keep one of his keepers without using a pick (If he keeps lynch it's like getting a free 1st rd pick since he traded away his first rounder. If he keeps Boldin he can also get another player in the 2nd round. if he chooses a later round keeper perhaps we give him the supplemental pick b/w the 1st and 2nd).

As for overall # of picks, he is without a 1st, 3rd and 5th rd pick. I know he also has a 2nd 8th and i think he got a later pick in a trade made on draft day '08 so depending on what we give him he may only be short 1 or 2 picks required to fill a roster.

Neil made this suggestion last night to me and I like it.

Here is what I recommend:

1. Reduce Fee to $ 35 (we have $ 15 from Bob's winnings that will be applied as well)
2. Our rules states he can keep 2 keepers or 3 if one of them is a rookie. For this year only he will get to keep 1 keeper "free of charge" but that keeper will retain his original keeper designation (This will allow him to possibly keep Lynch as a 1st or Boldin as a 2nd without it costing anything for this year only) If he chooses to keep a later designation keeper I don't believe he should have a supplemental pick unless Boldin and Lynch are both injured during the summer. I he keeps Lynch and Marshall and then has a 2nd round pick...it should be a team that has a goo nucleus to compete next year if he is good at mid round picking. Of course he is behind not having a 3rd or 5th round pick but that is why the reduced fee is there for year 1.


Thoughts?

Not bad.
I'd like to see some more opinions from the other league members. You never know where brillance will come from, even nittanybob has something intelligent to say on occasion.

I think DeaconBlues are commissioners in their home league, which has keeper rules. I'm curious what type of solutions they have in their league???

the point could be moot. someone would probably take the team as is. we do have a few months to find some one. maybe dr. huggy bear could buy his own team?

Before I state any opinions or resolutions, can I ask a few questions? When do you guys feel the screw job master plan started? I'd assume that Scott somehow put his dropped players back onto the roster and that would be easy to fix. I'll come back with a (re-edit) after I do some more research on this lamo move. Oh, and nittanylion, battletested and I know a reputable replacement. Once again, we brought him up and hoped we could bring him in when bob was m.i.a earlier this year.

Personally I think Bob had it in mind when he first traded a pick. He then compounded it by trading multiple picks (he had no intention of paying any money for the picks traded which he basically openly admitted by stating he thought it a joke that I even expected him to pay) By his admission, he left the league because he didn't like head to head. That means he knew he was leaving the whole time. If he changes his story than that means he is quitting because the spoiled baby didn't get his way and he stomped his way out of the league because he didn't make the playoffs. I did put the players he dropped back on his team right away and locked him out of his team. If you do have someone interested I'd be happy to speak with him (I am also going after a few huddlers I know who have shown interest in the past.) Is he a FBGer?

Either way Bob was almost ousted out of the league before the season began because he didn't pay his money as he should. I told him that it can't happen again and told him why (that someone left the league without paying and I ended up getting screwed because I paid the league fee). Then he turns and does just that (welches on the fees he owes to the league).

The big fat cheap bastard can go and wait for the retribution that will happen...turn about will happen and it will happen back to him 10 fold.

We dont care Bob. It doesnt matter how to *ucked us over, the point is you did. Why not stop wasting all of our time and just stay off our forum? This is for PAFFL members only Good bye.

No more posts from our ex league mate will be kept on this board.

Just saw this. Will add my .02 later.

Bringing this back up to the top as we need to decide this before I can get a new owner. We need to work out the logistics to better inform the potential new owner/s.

If someone knows of an owner interested please let me know. (I haven't found someone as of yet)

A few posts up Deacon Blues made a reference to an owner we'd both recommend. While I definitely think that owner would be an asset to the league, I think there should be a clearly defined set of conditions (i can't tell if the ones re: picks, dues etc posted above are the commish's ruling or just suggestions?) before we approach anyone we have in mind. Just let myself or Deacon Blues know and we'll put the recruitment wheels into motion. fyi - we actually had him on board when Bob W was a possible no-show at the draft so he's already familiar with the league.

My proposal would be the following:

$ 50 entry fee this year plus $ 12 for web site and draft board
He will be able to keep 1 player with a 1st round designation or 2nd round designation without it costing that draft pick this year but that player will hold the draft pick designation for future years (in other words if he wants to keep either Boldin (2nd round pick) or Marshawn Lynch (1st round pick) he can without it costing him that draft pick. He can only keep a max of 3 players as long as 1 of them is a rookie from the prior year. If he chooses to keep other players who don't have a 1st or 2nd round designation than he is on his own and won't get a reprieve.

I'd like to hear everyonee opinions...but only those that are in the league

could you please explain the concerns re: not letting the new owner keep a player with a later designation (than round 2) without it costing him that draft pick? is it based on an evaluation of the specific players on his roster? I'm a bit confused. i'm not sure i see the issue with him, for example, cutting boldin(2) and lynch (1) and keeping roddy white (4) and either cutler (12) or marshall (16). He has no pick in the 1st, 3rd and 5th but would get an 'extra' 4th & 12/16th rd pick if we expand the proposed revision to include all of the rounds. Does that tip the balance of power in 09? in futue years? i think i'm missing something.

Bob,

The purpose of this would be to allow him to keep an early pick player without penalty mainly because he doesn't have a 1,3,5 round picks. I can agree that a 4th round keeper is valuable but it defeats the purpose of this offer if the owner were to keep Cutler & Marshall as a 12th and 16th round picks. I can agree that if this owner has a 1st through 5th round keeper it would qualify. Beyond the 5th and it would not qualify.

thanks storm. i definitely see how that is a clever & enticing carrot for a new owner. however, i'm wondering if it would be simpler to just say he doesnt have to use a pick for his keepers and let him decide if/how/when to take advantage of that carrot? yes, keeping 2 late rounders would defeat the purpose (or reduce the benefit somewhat), but shouldn't we just let the new owner determine that?
i agree w/ deathrow's comments that this owner will still have some very good keeper options & we should keep in mind that it also = he has a lot of trade options. whatever is agreed upon it should be based on the 'worst case' scenario such as him keeping and/or trading a combination of players and possibly entering the 3rd round with 4 1st/2nd round calibre players. no, he doesnt have a 3rd rd pick, but that could change as a result of trades.
i'm thinking that we should also make it clear that the keeper/pick exception applies to the new team only and its not a tradeable commodity (e.g. he can't trade boldin AND his associated 2nd round pick exception to another team to use)...unless of course you guys think it should be.

Bob,

It might be simpler but certainly the intent isn't too allow this new owner to keep any players he wants with no cost. The fact that the previous owner purposely ran this team down (traded away early picks and dropped all of the good players) and we are particularly trying to find a way to accompdate the trading of those early picks. I believe the new owner should only get the benefit if he wants to keep an early round keeper (with no 1st, 3rd or 5th round pick).

At present if the owner kept a player with a 2nd round tag...that owner wouldn't pick until the 4th round and they would only have 3 players max by the 4th round pick. Certainly the new owner could trade and get draft picks (which would be smart) With the proposed this new owner would be able to keep an earlier player with no penalty and still get a 2nd round pick...allowing him to have 4 players by the 4th round pick. Puts him in a much better position.

I most definitely don't want to give an owner a free past on all of his keepers. Just an early pick keeper. And you are correct, the owner can't trade the option to keep a player at no cost. It would only be for the new owner and only 1 player in the early round. He could choose to trade both Lynch and Boldin...gaining picks. If he were to gain a 1st, 3rd and 5th round pick...somehow than we wouldn't need to do anything special. It would put him on an even keel with all owners.

Storm