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dmarc117
cnbc just said he is in an interview with espn right now and has admitted to using them.
LordOpie
That dude got screwed!

How does a testing firm claim it's anonymous, but fails to use procedures to assure that. It's pretty easy and if they didn't, well tinfoilhat.gif
dmarc117
QUOTE (LordOpie @ 2/9/09 2:33pm) *
That dude got screwed!

How does a testing firm claim it's anonymous, but fails to use procedures to assure that. It's pretty easy and if they didn't, well tinfoilhat.gif



i read that a ton of people have see nthe results. the law firms in the bonds case. judges, lawyers, prosecuters....somebody talked.

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For a list that was to remain confidential, quite a few people have had access to the players' names, including 17 federal judges and dozens of lawyers, federal prosecutors and investigators. Federal investigators looking for data on 10 players connected to the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative first seized the list of 104 names in April 2004 during a raid on a private laboratory.
HowboutthemCowboys
QUOTE (LordOpie @ 2/9/09 2:33pm) *
That dude got screwed!

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Azazello1313
well, all I can say is I respect him a whole lot more than clemens, bonds, mcgwire, sosa, palmeiro, and all the rest for coming clean the moment he was implicated. woulda been real easy for him to lawyer up, deny, obfuscate, talk about confidentiality and all the rest -- like just about everyone else. he is a much better person in my eyes for owning up.
HowboutthemCowboys
QUOTE (Azazello1313 @ 2/9/09 2:51pm) *
well, all I can say is I respect him a whole lot more than clemens, bonds, mcgwire, sosa, palmeiro, and all the rest for coming clean the moment he was implicated. woulda been real easy for him to lawyer up, deny, obfuscate, talk about confidentiality and all the rest -- like just about everyone else. he is a much better person in my eyes for owning up.

+1
SheikYerbuti
"I'm so sorry Marge! I swear on my life, I never thought you'd find out!"

- Homer Simpson
Big Country
QUOTE (Azazello1313 @ 2/9/09 11:51am) *
well, all I can say is I respect him a whole lot more than clemens, bonds, mcgwire, sosa, palmeiro, and all the rest for coming clean the moment he was implicated. woulda been real easy for him to lawyer up, deny, obfuscate, talk about confidentiality and all the rest -- like just about everyone else. he is a much better person in my eyes for owning up.



QUOTE (HowboutthemCowboys @ 2/9/09 12:03pm) *
+1


To be fair, he did deny it in I believe a 60 Minutes interview a couple years back. When asked if he had ever used any kind of performance enhancing drug, he said No.

But, at least he is coming clean now and hopefully is being completely honest as to the extent of when he was using, etc.
dmarc117
i like schillings idea.....out em all!
isleseeya
He did it , he lied about it at least on one major interview and now he admits it because the story leaked out so its not like he admitted because he felt guilty about it ...There was going to be an incredible amount of pressure on him with the SI story that came out for him to admit it

While i agree , he did a better job than Bonds or Mcgwire on this , i think its still pretty weak

I was not a fan of Arod but i respected his talent and believed he would be the one to break Aaron's record the right way ...now that goes out the window

isleseeya
QUOTE (dmarc117 @ 2/9/09 4:06pm) *
i like schillings idea.....out em all!


I agree ... i certainly agree to no record should stand or be recognized for anyone who ever got caught using steroids ...period
SheikYerbuti
QUOTE (dmarc117 @ 2/9/09 4:06pm) *
i like schillings idea.....out em all!


After the world finds out that Schilling's championships are just as tainted as anyone else's, do you think he'll still live his life on a high horse?

Who am I kidding, of course he will.
dmarc117
QUOTE (SheikYerbuti @ 2/9/09 5:13pm) *
After the world finds out that Schilling's championships are just as tainted as anyone else's, do you think he'll still live his life on a high horse?

Who am I kidding, of course he will.



lol....i dont like the guy one bit. but his idea has some merit. everyone else that is clean will always be suspected. just out them all.
isleseeya
QUOTE (SheikYerbuti @ 2/9/09 4:13pm) *
After the world finds out that Schilling's championships are just as tainted as anyone else's, do you think he'll still live his life on a high horse?

Who am I kidding, of course he will.


Bloody sock always trumps steriod allegations biggrin.gif
SLAYER
QUOTE (dmarc117 @ 2/9/09 3:06pm) *
i like schillings idea.....out em all!

And do you really think the Schill was clean all those years. Not.
Ursa Majoris
QUOTE (Azazello1313 @ 2/9/09 1:51pm) *
well, all I can say is I respect him a whole lot more than clemens, bonds, mcgwire, sosa, palmeiro, and all the rest for coming clean the moment he was implicated. woulda been real easy for him to lawyer up, deny, obfuscate, talk about confidentiality and all the rest -- like just about everyone else. he is a much better person in my eyes for owning up.

That just makes A-Rod the tallest midget in a very small midget contest. He's come clean after denying it earlier and he's come clean purely because he's been found out. This is damage limitation, not honesty.
SLAYER
I don't see the other 103 players lining up to admit their guilt. This is baseball, this is money and their livelyhood(sp). You are not going to admit to anything unless you have to.
Whether or not he is telling the truth about stopping in 2003 is another story you will never know(unless he tests + again)
But to knock him for not admitting to it earlier IMO is wrong. did anyone admit to it without being caught.
I'm not condoning what he did, he cheated, but put on his shoes. would you have admitted to it before you were caught.
LordOpie
QUOTE (SLAYER @ 2/9/09 7:19pm) *
I don't see the other 103 players lining up to admit their guilt. This is baseball, this is money and their livelyhood(sp). You are not going to admit to anything unless you have to.
Whether or not he is telling the truth about stopping in 2003 is another story you will never know(unless he tests + again)
But to knock him for not admitting to it earlier IMO is wrong. did anyone admit to it without being caught.
I'm not condoning what he did, he cheated, but put on his shoes. would you have admitted to it before you were caught.

+1

How many of us feign ignorance when a traffic cop pulls us over for rolling a stop sign or speeding?
isleseeya
Is this a joke ? It makes it more ok because 103 others handled it worse than him or did not admit it as quickly as he did after getting busted ?

AROD should go no pat on his back or atta boy for any of this imho ...to do otherwise is kind of ridiculous

And knowingly and willingly cheating for 2 full years is not the same as going through one yellow light or red light and playing dumb....

Its amazing we may have gotten to the pt that we may look at a rule breaker and cheater with a bit of admiration because they admit it more quickly and more willingly but still AFTER getting busted

LordOpie
QUOTE (isleseeya @ 2/9/09 8:53pm) *
... is not the same as going through one yellow light or red light...

True. Running a light could get someone killed.
isleseeya
Not what I meant and don't think its what you meant either, LO ...you mentioned the running of the light as breaking a rule and then denying it to try and compare it to what AROD has done .....

AROD was and is wrong ...and running a light is wrong ...none of this is worth any kind of praise or " its ok or better because he now came clean" , imho
major-tom
Just another reason to not be a fan of MLB, as if I needed another. g-yawn2.gif
AtomicCEO
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The Yankees are a bunch of cheaters.
Robash
If Giambi plays 4 more years and makes it to 500 homers, does he get into cooperstown? at least this guy admited he took steroids from the get go, kind of makes him look like a saint next to most of these guys.
whomper
While Canseco is as shady as they come, the bottom line is if he implicates you as a roid user you pretty much did them. The guy always ends up right
isleseeya
QUOTE (whomper @ 2/10/09 8:33am) *
While Canseco is as shady as they come, the bottom line is if he implicates you as a roid user you pretty much did them. The guy always ends up right


Yup ...he may not be a model citizen , but he may be the most honest
Azazello1313
QUOTE (AtomicCEO @ 2/9/09 10:15pm) *
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The Yankees are a bunch of cheaters.


so are the red sux doh3.gif
whomper
QUOTE (Azazello1313 @ 7/30/09 3:34pm) *



Just came to start a thread on this

Report: Manny, Papi tested positive for PEDs in 2003
July 30, 2009
CBSSports.com wire reports




NEW YORK -- David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez were among the more than 100 Major League Baseball players who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, according to a report in the New York Times.

• Miller: Ortiz long denied use | Doyel: He's a druggie | Knobler: Not just Yanks, BoSox

The article posted on the newspaper's website Thursday cited lawyers involved in pending litigation over the testing results who spoke anonymously because the information is under seal by a court order.

Ortiz declined comment to the paper. In 2004, he and Ramirez led the Boston Red Sox to their first World Series championship since 1918.

The results from the 2003 tests were supposed to remain anonymous, but they later were seized by federal agents. Alex Rodriguez admitted using performance-enhancing drugs after he was linked to the 2003 list.

Ramirez, now with the Los Angeles Dodgers, recently served a 50-game suspension for violating baseball's drug policy. Ortiz had not been previously linked to positive tests.

Ramirez was a long-established star in 2003. Ortiz, in contrast, had been a part-time player before that season. In 2003, he became one of baseball's top sluggers.

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