We will have 12 openings at the moment in this 60 team ladder league

New owners will be placed in the highest available division based on their veteran status (year joined) here at the huddle


1st twelve signed in are guaranteed a spot, the rest may join if others depart.

$25 Entry

2009 MFL League Homepage

Alright I'll bite.

Okay, I'll add you in

My buddy says count him in. Huddle id- cashchange. Email- morrjd@comcast.net

Count me in!!!

-DD21

I'm interested as well...as long as the entry fee stays at $25

you both have a spot

if there is room add me.

Your in !

Please PM me payment info (snail mail please) and league PW.

not taking payments yet, I'll be using the LeagueSafe site this season for payment


MikesVikes will get the new owners set up on the site when he has the time and get the new division alignments done.

j2v has just joined up and will be placed in the HOF division.


Take your shot at the Huddle's newest writer

"When we will know what divisions the rest of us are going to be in?" says member number 577, who joined The Huddle in 2001.

-DD21

Awesome!

Do we have other Huddle staff in the league? I really think we need to

We need to get confirmations for 2008 members before moving to that step. Once we do, MikesVikes will go through and get it ready

I have contacted 2 others to join.

Over at FackBall, we tried to get the staff to join a league for years. This comes as a surprise!! Now how the hell do I hack into this thing and change my membership #.

You could always have two accounts...

Like me... I forgot the password to this account, then created PON. No idea how I remembered the password...

Wow! and right to the top he goes. What did he have a fast pass for this league attraction?

It was kinda directed at being able to get a lower membership # so I can surpass the pop warner league and go straight to the top. I'll have a good time whipping up on the newbs anyway so all is good.

If there is a spot available I'd love to jump in.

WashingtonD

welcome aboard, I have you signed up

Count me in if there is still an open spot.

What is a ladder league? I googled it, but really couldn't find a definition.

Nevermind, I think got the concept now. I'd like one of the 12 spots!

your both in for the 2009 season


welcome

Any spots left, i am game!

Your in

When did we decide to place people based upon member status....this will be my third year in this league....and some guy gets to jump ahead of me because his member number is lower? I mean I get it...don't get me wrong...but it doesn't seem all that right to do...that is unless I missed a vote...then please ignore everything I just wrote!!!

I am in...unless things get way out of hand and we lose 50% of our participants from last year. I would think the champions idea would work great...thanks taz...and if we do that, then we should re-rank the whole league based on dice roll.

When was this decided? Did I miss a vote?

This would be my third year in the league. I don't know how many founding members are left, but I am one of them. Why should a new person be allowed to jump ahead of me?

If I missed a vote, okay, my fault, but can we get an explanation here?

There's never been a vote as to placing replacement owners ahead of the rest of the current returning owners. I understand that there's been alot of turn-over in this league and I say we do one of 2 things:

1- Place everyone in divisions based on their member number and start over reshuffling the entire league. Replacement owners from this year forward (if we change things) would fill only the lowest divisions and if we have to bump current owners up because of vacancies (even though they were getting demoted) we do that first and so be it.

2- Use a dice roll to reshuffle everyone into all the divisions and then follow the same rule from #1 in regard to replacement owners as we go on from this year.

I like the 1st idea better (easier to do and it'd be based on seniority here any way and not a random dice roll) if we're going to change things. However, I know for sure that we can't just place replacement owners ahead of current owners who have been here since the beginning just because of all the vacancies. If that were to happen, it's almost guaranteed that there'd be more vacancies to come.

One question... Maybe I missed something (I don't think so, as I've read through this entire thread), but why are we feeling the need to reshuffle anything in the first place? Why not just stick with what we did this past year, which is pretty much what is in bold above? Existing owners replace higher vacancies first, based on division/record, then new owners fill in remaining vacancies from the bottom up. I don't see anything wrong with that, and it's the most fair thing to do for everyone involved. No offense, but this thing is watered down enough already by quality members dropping out... reshuffling at this point, in my opinion, is going to water it down even more as others will say screw it and leave as well.

I agree and thought things were fine with filling the bottom divisions with new owners and bumping up the guys who were already here to fill openings because of people leaving. However, when I read TOS's post below, after seeing the fellas quote it above, I thought something's wrong for sure. I know that we never voted on placing new owners in the highest available division just because of membership status. I also feel that that shouldn't be happening.



I would like to see things stay the way they were with current owners filling openings in higher divisions that were vacated before letting a new owner fill it. However, IF we're going to slot people based on membership and seniority, than we might as well start over and re-seed all the owners within all of the divisions based on membership.

Well, while I might have a tendency to agree, what about a guy like Loyalboyd....who has worked his way up the last two years to HOF. I don't know what his member number is, but if his is not very low, should he be moved out of HOF and be forced to climb all over again? Now, admittedly, I won the Pee Wee superbowl two years ago, and got some very tight losses last year. So, by virtue of those tight losses it put me in the last four slots....I am venturing back down to pee wee and don't have a problem with that. But when say 20 new members join, and they get slotted above me just because...I think that takes a vote. I will be fine with it if the majority of our members think it is ok.

I don't.

I agree that we need to vote on this.

yes, will have a vote as season gets closer


I do think that we need to put any huddle writers in the top vacant spot, this will attract noobs to the league.

Hello eveyone,

I have the uptmost respect for everyone on this board. Whether your huddle number is one or one million. Whether you are DMD, WW, or a writer. Now if we talking DMD or WW put them in the HOF in a heartbeat. Outside that they earn their way up the ladder like I did. I was placed too low in the first place and personally some that was placed in the HOF shouldn't have been. The point is thought the people that's around now deserve to move up period. The new guys should earn there way up. Prove themselves this is the Huddle Ladder not a popularity vote, who has the oldest member number,or who believes they are better to be ranked any higher than anyone else. I earned and fought for my spot. A spot I should have never been placed. But I EARNED my way to the HOF. You want noobs to join put them against those so called good players that are just now thinking about joining. It's no greater honor in my eyes than play the so called best. The reason is because I am willing to bet those noobs don't believe they are and could possible or in my eyes will beat those experts. Fantasy football is about skill and luck. Sometimes its more about luck. The point I am making is that the people that is staying should have 1st priority over everyone except DMD and WW. I would love for them to play against me. I believe that if we let anyone in to be above any of the people that's been here especially if they been around more than one season. Its a total slap in the face and lack of respect for that man. Many people that did start playing this game more than likely did not agree with the rankings like I did and still played. Don't spit in their face by doing this.

And as far as the WATERDOWN LEAGUE. We don't know how good someone is until they play. If the so called great people want to leave let them. But don't say just because they are gone the rest is garbage. The league is called the Huddle Ladder. Which means no matter how good or bad you are the Ladder will adjust its rankings year in and year out. So the new people come on in and earn the so called free money by being in the lowest league. I got a feeling some of those so called noobs got something to say about that!!!

As a newb to the Ladder but not to the Huddle, I guess I'll voice my opinion.

Move all continuing Ladder members up to fill the vacant spots, after they are filled then place all newb Ladder members
in order from there member number. This way no Newbs will be placed higher than current Ladder members.
However I do believe staff should be placed in HOF as long as there are vacant spots.

Man there is a lot of biatchin in here.

Why should someone who didn't earn the right to move up get the spot? They had a chance and failed.

As a seasoned vet here and multiple BOTH league champion, I have no real interest in playing in the lowest level. If I wanted to play newbies I'd go kick the hell outta some stupid work league and get the benefit of a live draft.

I've been coming in regularly and reading this crap about how because I wasn't here last year I obviously, and everyone else who wasn't here last year, suck way too hard to be considered with the likes of Irish and LoyalBoyd.

You'll have a harder time filling the league with an "all new people suck" thread going on.

-DD21

Not a matter of biatchin' DD. It's a matter of trying to change something that doesn't need changing, IMO. I and others feel that anyone new coming in should just fill from the bottom up. The Huddle Ladder has gone through some unforeseen turnover in each year of its existence and this year has been no different (maybe worse). I just think we should keep doing what we've been doing and that there's no need for change or even a vote asking for a change. But I'm not running the show, just voicing my 2 cents and will just vote if asked to do so.

Hope you have enough parkay to butter your head to fit through doorways!!! Sheesh...I really don't care...all I want is a vote...this is not covered in the rules. But if you feel it is beneath you to start in Practice Squad or something...then move along...as this is a league run by its many members...not the pompous pontification of one digitaldan.

That's kind of the point of this league... You earn your way up the ladder. I hear what you're saying, but to play devil's advocate... If I wanted to just join another league consisting of long-time huddlers, I'd join one of the many that have openings every year, with no ladder concept involved. There is no perfect way to handle this... unfortunately, there's been far more turnover in this league than I think anyone really expected. I don't like the idea of someone in the bottom four in one division moving up because there are so many open spots above them. But, likewise, I don't really get the concept of placing someone in HOF just because they feel entitled to it because they signed up for this site in 2001, as opposed to 2002 or '03. If we're going to base placement on something so completely meaningless, I would rather see it based on who is the most active here at the Huddle, not who "got here first."

Edit: Granted, there's no way to measurably calculate how active members are... I'm not throwing that out there as an actual suggestion. I just think anything other than moving up by performance actually "taints" the ladder concept. To be honest, I don't even really see why a writer/staff member would want to join this league, if they're just going to be given a free pass and placed at the top of the heap. Kind of takes the fun out of it, if you ask me.

The entire tenor of the last half of this post has turned me off to be honest, as a prospective new member.

The situation is a sticky one, and like many problems in life there is no easy answer, or even an answer that will satisfy most people. The issue I have is with people thinking that there is no way that someone who wasn't here last year could EVER possibly be considered for a spot above them. Organizations go outside for talent all the time, does it piss off some of the 'locals', you bet, but is the organization better off for it, you bet. This league NEEDS more owners, think of it this way; do you wanna hire a bunch of kids straight outta high school, or would like people with known credentials, and experience? There may be guys that wanna 'repay the dues', and there may be great guys that say I'm not starting at the bottom again, I'll take my skill set to another organization that respects me and and the fact that I have been around the block a few times.

Some people here are too self focused to think about the overall health of the league. You could probably get 15-20 brand new guys to sign up right before the draft, and then you'll likely be replacing 8-12 of those guys again next year. Is that what you would constitute as progress?

-DD21

+1

+2

stop bitching and just play.

Actually, we did vote on how to fill vacancies in the league. We voted on the MFL site last year.

Move up existing owners to fill replacements as needed got 33 votes.

and

Have Incoming owners fill in at the level of the departed got 2 votes.

I for one have no problem putting J2V in the HOF if that is what anybody wants to do. That would be a special case and not a rule change, imo. I wouldn't want that to turn into a big issue so I'm fine either way on that one. We only have one opening as of now in the HOF since Wolf is leaving.

Btw, there are people not returning that earned their way up to the next level. Because of that there is now only three in each division moving up because they earned it.

As of right now, we have 17 people not returning which includes the four from Pee Wee that are being demoted. This looks like the typical situation for this league. Usually about two per division decide not to return and that looks like what we should expect from now on. Because of this turnover, basically if you want to continue to play in this league and can keep from getting booted out of the Pee Wee, you will be here for as long as you want. All 8 remaining Pee Wee members will be moving up under the current rules. We will have all new Pee Wee members and a few Practice Squad members as well. Actually the higher up you are in the ladder, the tougher it is to advance. That is probably the way it should be but I'm sure that nobody predicted the league turnover. The higher the division you're in, the tougher it will be to advance. This is not a bad thing.

The major problem I have with this perspective is simple. It was made quite clear, at least to me anyway, that outside of the original "Big John" rankings teams would move up the ladder based on performance inside the ladder. Like others, I felt I was ranked a bit low initially but understood the perspective of said ranker. Having started in the lowest division and having earned promotion in each of the first two years of this league I most definitely have a problem with a new(to the ladder) member being ranked ahead of me regardless of perceived FF prowess.
I agree that all decisions are not simple and that we have some issues with which to deal due to higher division teams jumping ship but this not a real world for-profit organization. We as a league are not attempting to beat the market as it were so the idea of overlooking the accomplishments of internal owners to bring in and rank higher "ringers" to strengthen the league is a bit silly and to be frank unacceptable. In a business I would absolutely be for hiring the best man regardless of where he was last year but this is not a business and the original concept of new blood being slotted from bottom to top is the only way I see as acceptable.

yeah you with your BOTH championships and your mighty than thou nose in the air attitude are about as imoptant as the pimple on my azz