Shooting out an idea to try to handle these player position changes and keep it a little more fair from a consensus opinion.


Here is my suggestion.


We currently are required to start

2-3 DT-DE
2-3 CB-S
3 LB's


Now, since we are having to switch so many DL to LB's , i think it might better serve the league to open that 8th required defensive starter to any position, un-limit it from just a CB/S or DT/DE and allow the use of a LB.

So you'd be required to start

2 DT/DE
2 CB/S
3 LB

and a flex from any of the 3 defensive positions.

I realize the draft is over, but due to the circumstances not laid out in the rules and taken advantage of by some drafters. This offers every owner the ability to level that playing field.


Can everyone please share their thoughts on this.

works for me

I'm not a big fan at all at allowing 4 LB's to play, especially as we have already drafted.

Using my team as an example, I drafted 5. Playing 4 allows one backup for byes, injury, etc. The waiver pool is not deep enough to accommodate all the LB requests that will need to be made because everyone will run 4 LB's out there...and NO ONE drafted planning to run 4 LB's out there.

Knowing we could play 4 LB's, more than any other position out there, I'd have taken at least 6.

If we want to accommodate 4 LBs, perhaps we allow for 4 RB's to play, as the LB is the RB of the defense. This way, we play 2 DL/DE, 2 CB/S, 3 LB and then a flex that could be an RB or LB. As we can already flex to 3 RB's on offense, this would allow us to choose the a 4th RB or LB, to accommodate those who took more RB's over LB's and open up the waiver pool to more who can fill this new flex spot.

Sooners ended up with 8 LB's and only 1 DL.

I definitely would have drafted more than 5 if we started 4. I agree with Wolfman regarding the additional flexibility if we decide to change anything at all.

now we are getting out of control here - more RB flexibility? big negative

I change my mind- I would rather leave the rules as is than implement MORE flex positions

FYI... I only have one player that changed positions... Orakpo. Jermaine Phillips went back to SS, where he was drafted.

Anyway... Since the commish ruled during the draft that Kampman will continue to be a DE since he was drafted there, I telephoned him and asked him if that was how he was going to handle 'hybrid' players. The commish informed me that where ever a player is drafted, then that's where he'll stay. So... I then drafted Orakpo. Was it strategy at that point??? Yes, it was. But everyone here had the same opportunity. I even posted it in the draft room and mentined Jermaine Phillips specifically. I'm sure Wolf can back me up.

Now everyone wants to change the rules?! I wish you would have told me that before I made my hybrid picks. From the beginning, I said that it didn't matter to me. I just like like rule changes all the time, especially after I got a confirmation on exactly what I was going to do in the draft. Not that Orakpo will make a big difference, but please decide on what you are going to do.

For the record, I always felt that it would be unfair to have a guy starting at DE when he is a LB. But, I was adhering to the rules and now I have a worthless LB, and one less DE.

As for Jermaine Phillips... a LB injury forced the Bucs to move him back to DB, so he is not affected by this.

So basically if it benefits you, you are on board with it. But before you drafted Orakpo, you had a problem with it, even after I got the ok from Mike before I made the pick.. But since you got ok from Mike, it should stick now. Typical nonsense from some in this league.

No wonder you don't get along with anyone... Perhaps you should read everything before you respond. I only have a problem with rules changing. I said from the beginning (read my posts) that it didn't matter to me. Even though I didn't think it was right, I did NOT have a problem with you drafting Kampman as a DE even though he was a linebacker. I was good with it either way. Then the commish made his ruling... again, I was okay with having him as a DE. Then I saw Orakpo listed as a DE, so I telephoned the commish to find out what his official ruling was. The commish told me that where ever you draft a player, that is where he will stay. So then after that... I drafted Orakpo as a DE, even though I knew damn well that he would be a LB. Strategy? Yep! I thought everyone else would have done it. So, if you could benefit from it, why shouldn't anyone else??? I got the OK from the Commish after the ruling with Kampman. I was merely following the rules at that point.

So... since you are crying about the whole thing, I am willing to suffer the consequences drafting a 'hybrid' player. Orakpo can stay as a LB even though I drafted him as a DE. It's probably fair to the rest of the league. I did the same thing you did... now you call it nonsense?? You are an idiot.

Commish... No problem on my end for sucking up the changes made by MFL. I don't need anything in return, either. I can easliy drop Orakpo and pick up a different DE. No whining and crying here. Do what you think is right. i understand. In the mean time, keep crying, Sarge.

LMAO, are you f;n kidding me.

You say its not right, but you have no problem with it. I should have called you out for being a complete tool right there. Could you waffle anymore there.....

Show me where Im crying. I made a pick because of what I was told before I made the pick. . Then people who complained about it, you included, were the ones crying. I wouldnt want the facts to get in the way of your BS above.

And no, I think I should keep Kampman at DE, because that is what was told to me. You among others cried and said it wasnt right. Then you do the same thing.



Mike just stick to what you said to me, and others followed after you ruled. Its not like Kampman or Orakpo, or Elvis D are going to make much difference than other DL. None of them will lead the league at that position. All are worthless at LB, as none will be in the top 40 there. The 3 - 4 defense has ruined the DE position for their teams, even though players like Suggs, Kampman and Dumervil are all pass rusers, regardless where they line up.

Guys, either way, let's hash this out and put it to bed. My additional RB/LB flex idea didn't seem to go over too well with Wildcat...that's cool. But I'm NOT hearing any other ideas either. Guys...get involved in this discussion so we can decide and end it, please...

Keep trying to justify yourself, wuss. You're missing the point. When TOS made his rule, I was fine with it. Never said anything about it again. Read my post in the other draft thread. I only pick Orakpo because of that rule. Keep arguing if it will make yourself feel better. Never did I belly ache about it. I added my opinion, then accepted the decision. Then I did what you did... I drafted a DE who I knew would be a LB.

As far as hashing this out and putting it to bed... My vote is that we follow what MFL lists the players. If that affects players on anyone's lineup (including mine), then we should have to adjust. If the draft was today, then we'd never be having this conversation because MFL has updated the positions of the players. To me that is the FAIR thing to do. Any rule is fine with me. Let's put this to bed so I can adjust my roster accordingly.

Justify what? Geez did you miss the short bus again today. Arguing what. Im not arguing anything. Im calling you a waffling tool. Even in the post above, you say one thing, then say any rule is fine with you. Its like you cant stand for anything.


Speaking of fair, the fair thing is to go by what the Commish said to owners before picks were made. There wasnt a rule stating how to handle this situation, so he ruled as a Commish sometimes has to do. Seriously, was Mike suppose to hold up the draft for days while this was voted on. he did what he thought was right and I happen to agree with him, regardless how it affects me. I simply wouldnt have drafted Kampman if he said he could change positions. Nothing to argue, I just would have drafted someone else. But he ruled, then I drafted, end of story. Im not whining or complaining about anything. The decision was made, I have no idea why we are still discussing this at this point.

Mike simply make the players what they were when we drafted them, we can vote on solutions to handle this next offseason. But for this year, Picks were made because of your ruling. Personally, I think MFL shouldnt be changing anything this late in the game. Either they do it before they go live to the next season, or they dont do it at all. The problem is with MFL, nothing else. NFL.com still had Kampman as a DE. And he is still a pass rusher regardless of what anyone thinks.

http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronkampman/profile?id=KAM725424


And while we are discussing this, maybe we should consider moving to another site, that doesnt have this problem. Preferably one that doesnt charge us to play, so all the money is paid out, instead of paying for the problems of this service. Seriously, MFL uses rotoworld a known baseball site for their depth charts, that alone proves they are a mickey mouse operation. When they could easily use NFL.com, the official site of the NFL.

Geez...can we EVER have one season in this league that is conflict free? Seriously folks...we're like a bunch of PMSing women sometimes...

Sorry, Wolf... My intention wasn't to start a pissing match. I forgot he was banned for doing the same $hit with everyone else. I'll quit. I'm new in your league and I don't want to cause any problems. I good with whatever you guys decide on the rule. It doesn't matter to me. I'm ready for the season to start!

LMAO, if I was banned, I wouldnt be here you tool. You think DMD doesnt know Im here as Dallas Sooners. I did nothing here but do what I was told, and now you cry babies complain because of it. I post why things should stay, and you waffle, then do the same thing. Bottom line OSU made a decision, I used a 15th round pick on Kampman, and now its being voted on for me to drop my 15th round pick for a WW player, some 14 rounds later. Sorry, that isnt going to fly.