Apparently whe Swiss set his line up, it was legal... then MFL had position changes. He has too many LB's in his line up now. It;'s illegal.

We all know Jake is in Iraq... looking for suggestions on how this should be handled. The outcome of the matchup is in question.

Tough call... Obviously, I don't think he did it intentionally. I don't think it's fair to his opponent to just say leave it as is, and give him a free pass for this week. On the other hand, I would hate to have it be determined that he gets a loss or DQ'd. My feeling is take the player who is illegal (Kampman) out of his lineup, leaving him one player short, and let the chips fall as they may.

Also, I think we can change the Lineup Setup so that you can not submit an illegal lineup, for the purpose of future lineup submissions. Not sure exactly how that works when MFL changes a player's position after the lineup has been set, but at least it would prevent owners from setting illegal lineups initially.

Thing is, wheen Swiss set his line up, it WAS legal. MFL would not have accpeted an illegal one. The MFL position changes are what made it illegal.

We'll need to discuss this one as a league.... and do what is the most fair for the two opponents. Why remove Kampman for instance? Which player should be removed?

Yes, this is a tough one.... I'd like to hear all opinions, and maybe even put up a poll. If Jake were not in Iraq... it would be easy to say he should have checked his line up and put a benching penalty on one of his players. An extenuating set of circumsatances.

I said remove Kampman when I thought it was only one player... then realized it was two, which I would think means both should be removed (if that's what is decided).

I completely understand that he's in Iraq, and have the ultimate respect for what he is doing. My thing is... if we consider this to be extenuating circumstances, where do we draw the line? In other words, what is considered an OK set of circumstances for someone to set their lineup 3-4 weeks in advance, and then not check in after? I don't mean to come across as cruel or an azzhole, but as I stated earlier, I've known for MONTHS that MFL was going to move Kampman to LB prior to the season starting. I would think most Packer fans would realize this as well (not that the fact that he's a Packers fan should have anything to do with whatever decision is made).

I guess I feel that, if this were me, I would either make some arrangements to have someone else check on my lineup for me, or risk suffering the consequences of leaving it as is. On the flip-side, I wish one of us had noticed this earlier, so we could have given him a heads up.

I'm probably coming across as far more passionate on this than I really am... Honestly, it doesn't really matter to me. My opinion is also coming from a guy who had the "luxury" of being able to check and double-check each and every one of his TWELVE lineups about a dozen times during the past week, so I guess I'm the extreme opposite of Swiss in that regard. Whatever you guys (or the majority) decide is fine by me.

Edit: I'm assuming Swiss had a plan in case one of his players was inactive for the week, no? In other words, I'm guessing not having access to MFL was not the issue, as much as maybe just simply not noticing the position change was the problem?

In the end, I think Jake will get the short end of the stick, but I'm not about to make that ruling without discussion, or even possibly a vote, although I don't think that will be needed in the end. I would likely make a ruling first, and then allow a vote if the ruling is protested. I also want to hear what Jake thinks... at least it only involves one game, two owners, and is not a league wide issue.

I hope other league owners chime in here.... we need some input.

It's too bad their game wasn't a blowout, one way or the other... would make things a bit easier.

Well.... we can let it stand now if we want to, Swiss lost, but we still need to decide how many points he should get for the week as that could be an issue with the tie breakers for the playoffs and for waiver wire priority. That is an easier issue than having a W-L decision on the line.

I agree we have to make a ruling on points. And I would like to know why MFL allowed an illegal lineup at all. A problem with the software - I would think it would have done something other than allow it with a warning but then what are the chances of these exact circumstances happening all over their world. Apparently 100 percent because it did happen LOL .

Please the rest of you chime in on this. We need to have a ruling in place and who knows if this comes up ever again - at least we know what our league rulling would be in another case like this. Plus it could make a difference in the end with Swiss in tie-breaking issues involving total points.

But when Swiss entered the line up, it WAS legal. MFL won't allow an illegal line up to be submitted. Since it was week 1, there was no previous line up to use.

I propose that the two illegal player's points be removed. That would be Hali (14 pts) and Kampman (10 pts). I also want to talk to Swiss about him getting someone to check his line up on Sundays for him. One of his DB's was inactive, Sean Jones was apparently benched. This combination of events cost him a win.

The chances of this happenning again are minute, but this (if accepted as a resolution) would set the precedent and become a rule.

It's not like MFL makes changes like this every week... It was a one-time pre-season change that was announced several weeks in advance. Happens every year. I agree that he should probably have someone checking his lineup prior to kickoff, if he is unable to do so himself. Heck, I'll do it for him if nobody else does, although it is probably better if someone outside of this league makes any changes for him. At the very least, I can check to make sure he's got a valid lineup, and attempt to let him know if it's not valid.

Since few comments have been recieved, and I have not heard from Swiss...

Commish's ruling: Swiss gets 24 points deducted from his total PF total for the two illegal player points totals. This affects the waiver wire order.

Sorry Jake... tough situation. I need to hear from you.

Sorry I didn't chime in on this earlier, but I agree with the ruling. Kampman was changed to LB some time ago, which means Jake set his lineup quite early enough to have been able to check back in and change it. Even though he is in Iraq, and being retired AF, I can appreciate that, he needs to have someone that can check on things for him when he is unable to do that.

I don't object to the ruling. The other IDP leagues I'm in on MFL didn't make the same changes -- at least not at the same time. And, as John said, MFL didn't give me any error message in the lineup. Believe me; I was aware of the potential position changes, and I certainly checked in multiple times in the two weeks leading up to the season.

I can access MFL from work all day long, so I don't need any help.

Thanks for the consideration, y'all -- no hard feelings. I'm not sure the extra 24 points is going to matter for my underachieving squad, anyhow.