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The Champ is Here
Three Blind Mice -Octoskins (-30)

TBM hurting this week with Turner on bye. I believe he loses this week despite a strong game from Davis, Eli, and Ward. I put Commish at -30.


From Denver With Love -The Man with the Golden Ginn (-10)

Going to be much closer then MFL predicts.. I like both teams, Shaubs has been good, I would just like to see FDWL promote either Caldwell or Britt to his roster for the year to ive added depth for these close matchups. I give the edge to the man with ginn.

Handsome Sean Connery Mustache - OddJob's Hats (-15)


I pick Oddjob under the theory that no team that starts Russel can win.. example oakland raiders. That being said MFL could be right giving HSCM the edge, both teams have bye issues, will Welker play? Could be the decider..

Shiz Another Day (-10) - You Can Try

Upset special depending on Shizs lineup. YCTs 3rd highest scorer will now be splitting carries. He has Brees up against the Jets D...with YCTs depth its hard not to like his squad.


DR. NO at Thunderballs (-17.2)


Im fine with MFLs prediction here, DR NO does have guys that can explode though.

Shaken not Stirred at For Your efi4Eyes Only (-2)

Bye week blues here for both of these squads, FYE has D WIlliams and Roddy white out. SNS is limping in without Celek, Stewart, Westbrook and Ryan.

M.I. Pick 6's at RandallLightning (-3.1)

Once again im fine with MFLs prediction. Randall gets the edge as MI has Boldin out due to bye and injury problems.



LordOpie
You know you suck when Champ can't even be bothered reviewing your match-up. Probably more likely that I'm playing him, so he doesn't want to sound like a jackass by saying just how much my team sucks this year. since his best player (Gore) is out, I have a chance to win my first game of the year. Small chance, but I'll take it.
The Champ is Here
Yeah I didnt do my own matchup. I think our game will be close though.
electricrelish
Is there a way to tell what everyone's starting lineup is now?
The Champ is Here
QUOTE (electricrelish @ 10/2/09 5:09pm) *
Is there a way to tell what everyone's starting lineup is now?


Scroll to the bottom of the main page and them click Week 4 where it shows the week 4 matchups.
electricrelish
The Big Flippin' Game of the Week

Mr. Big (0-3) vs. flipcups (2-1).

Before we break down this Sunday's match-up, it should be pointed out that flipcups is no longer the same team as of just last week. Management has made some major wholesale changes after just their first loss of the season. Gone are the former flipcups' starting QB Kurt Warner and his backup Matt Leinart replaced by David Garrard. Gone are running backs LeSean McCoy and Fred Taylor in exchange for Marshawn Lynch. Gone is the injured wide receiver Laurent Robinson in exchange for Domenik Hixon.

All in all, it seems that when Frank Gore went down with an ankle injury last week, flipcups may have pushed the panic button prematurely. The only way I can explain this trade is that management has completely lost faith in Kurt Warner. Why they think David Garrard is a better option than Kurt Warner is beyond me. Sure, Warner hasn't played terribly well, but he still has the weapons and the potential to be a top ten quarterback. One can't play the age card for dynasty purposes because if the Jaguars don't win this year, then they may be looking for a new coach and a new QB in next year's draft. The real prize in the trade that seems to have been sought for by flipcups is Marshawn Lynch. Last year he was was the 13th best rusher in the NFL. Still, Lynch hasn't proved anything for this season. Furthermore, Lynch now has to share the rock with Fred Jackson. Why not just keep LeSean McCoy who has run extremely well in Brian Westbrook's absence? McCoy has run so well that they are now considering a running back time share in Philadelphia. If Lynch re-establishes himself as the premier runner in Buffalo, then it's not a bad move for this season and beyond. Trading Robinson for Hixon is at least getting someone who will possibly contribute this season. Long term, I don't like Hixon, as the Giants have better up and coming options with Mario Manningham and Hakeem Nicks. All-in all, I think the trading partner Shiz Another Day (3-0) got the better end of this trade with two future starters in McCoy and Leinart. Plus, Fred Taylor is emerging as the primary back for New England. Shiz is even more of a contender for this season.

The trade I did like for flipcups was grabbing Glen Coffee for his 2010 #1 pick from The Man With the Golden Ginn. It's a bit pricey for an unproven backup, but considering how hot this prospect is this week, flipcups had to pay a premium. Hindsight is 20/20, but considering Gore's injury history, flipcups should have been in negotiations much earlier to grab a handcuff at a lower price. This deal is really the only trade that needed to be made.

Now on to the position match-ups.

QB Battle
Philip Rivers vs. David Garrard
Phillip Rivers is the better QB here going against the Pittsburgh Steelers, the 15th best defense against the pass so far this season. The passing game is where the Steelers can be exposed and Rivers has the arm to do it with awesome weapons: Vincent Jackson, Antonio Gates and Darren Sproles. David Garrard is coming off a decent game against Houston, where he didn't have to win the game because MJD was more than enough against a pathetic Texans run defense. Garrard will face the Titans' 29th worse passing defense. With the emergence of receiver Mike Sims-Walker, this is a golden opportunity for Garrard to shine. Still, I have to give the edge to Rivers because he's proven himself to be more consistent than Garrard.

Edge: Mr. Big

Running Game
Matt Forte and Mewelde Moore vs. Ronnie Brown, Glen Coffee and Marshawn Lynch

Matt Forte totaled over 100 yards last week combined with rushing and receiving. However, Forte has yet to put up stud numbers. This week Forte faces the Detroit Lions, the 16th worst rush defense in the league. It would appear, if Forte is going to emerge as a stud this year and prove himself worthy of the #2 LLD draft pick, then now is his time to shine. However, these Lions were able to shut down Clinton Portis last week and eek out a win. Furthermore, Detroit's passing defense is even worse, which could create more opportunities for Cutler to look downfield or to bigger targets like Greg Olsen. I see Forte having a good game, but not a stud game, which is what Mr. Big so badly needs.

If Willie Parker can't go, then I see Melwelde Moore as the best option against a Chargers run defense that Parker gashed last year. The Chargers defense is better, but I think Moore can put up some points in the passing game. The problem is that he might not get going until the second half, especially if Tomlin decides to give the underachieving Rashard Mendenhall a shot. The potential for a very good game is there for Moore, but the best one can hope for is RB2 numbers.

The Saints defeated Buffalo last week by running the ball with Lynell Hamilton and Pierre Thomas racking up three touchdowns. I expect Ronnie Brown to have much success in running the ball down the Bill's throat this week as well. Brown has not delivered consistently this year, but I expect to see Brown deliver stud numbers in this game after being just adequate last week.

Folks have been hard on Glen Coffee's poor relief showing against the Vikings defense, but give him a break - he's not a stud, or even a Tashard Choice, and that was a tough defense. Coffee gets to prove whether his pre-season was a tease or whether he can produce RB1 numbers against the 27th worse running defense in the league. Still, Clinton Portis didn't get the job done against the Rams, but maybe that was due to injury. I like Coffee's chances of producing a good game.

Marshawn Lynch looked really good in the preseason. He looked a lot better than Fred Jackson. However, Jackson has looked great during the regular season, so now they both are going to share the touches. Miami has the third best rushing defense in the league, so I don't expect Lynch's return to be anymore than adequate.

Edge: flipcups

Receiving Game

Dwayne Bowe, Kevin Walter and Jacoby Jones vs. Brandon Marshall and Chad Ochocinco

Dwayne Bowe took snaps with the first team today, so there's a chance he plays this weekend. The match-up is against the number one passing defense in the league. Still, Bowe is said to be running with speed and explosion, so you gotta start him cause he's good enough to overcome any D and even a bad QB. It's not ideal, but you hope for decent numbers opposed to stud numbers.

The idea with the Houston vs. Oakland game is that Nnamdi Asomugha will shut down Andre Johnson, leaving both Kevin Walter and Jacoby Jones (smart waiver wire pickup) free to run wild against the remaining secondary. It's a good strategy for this week, and Walter looked good last week. I expect solid WR2 numbers from Walter and solid WR3 numbers for Jones.

Last week, Brandon Marshall finally had a good game, and many expect that to continue this week since Dallas will most likely shut down the run, and try to force Kyle Orton to beat them in the air. This strategy means more opportunities for Marshall who may return back to his true WR1 form. I like the upside here.

Chad Ochocinco has such a good match-up against the Browns that flipcups must have been salivating, when he set his line-up. Carson Palmer and Ochocinco have displayed adequate, but not superstar numbers, thus far. I heard an interview with Ochocinco last night about how his thought process was wrong last year, and how he wasn't focusing on the right things. I'm all for positive visualization, and this week I see Ochocinco living up to expectations and producing like a true fantasy WR1.

Edge: flipcups

TE Matchup
Chris Cooley vs. Kellen Winslow

Tampa Bay hasn't allowed a TD to a TE this year, but who cares. They are the 21st worse defense against the pass, and this match-up is prime for Chris Cooley to get in sync with Jason Campbell as they light up the Bucs.

Josh Johnson is a a pretty good athlete, and he's mobile. Johnson can get the ball to Kellen Winslow, who is explosive and can produce. Still, it's a crap shoot with any Tampa Bay offensive players so far, and with this being Johnson's first game, it's hard to predict what will happen.

Edge: Mr. Big


Josh Brown vs. Jay Feely

I got a feely that Jay Feely's Jets are better than Josh Brown's Rams. My gut feely is that Jay Feely prevails.

Edge: flipcups

Defensive/ Special Teams Battle
Indianapolis Colts vs. Jacksonville Jaguars

The Colts's passing defense is pretty good and they should keep Seattle in check. The Jaguars are the worse against the pass and overall give up the 25th most total yards as opposed to the Colts at #12. Give me the Colts.

Edge: Mr. Big

Summary

Mr. Big has the edge in the QB, TE and D/ST. flipcups has the edge with the RB, WR and PK. flipcups is not that far behind in the QB match-up due to Garrard's good match-up. All in all, I see the RB and WR game producing the most points in this event. Ultimately, Mr. Big comes up short, and the victory goes to flipcups.

Predicted Winner: flipcups

Who do I want to win?
Mr. Big. Nobody wants to see a fellow Huddler go 0-4 (unless they were playing me). Plus, I want a bigger lead in my division.
LordOpie
QUOTE (electricrelish @ 10/2/09 6:10pm) *
The Big Flippin' Game of the Week

Mr. Big (0-3) vs. flipcups (2-1).

Before we break down this Sunday's match-up, it should be pointed out that flipcups is no longer the same team as of just last week. Management has made some major wholesale changes after just their first loss of the season. Gone are the former flipcups' starting QB Kurt Warner and his backup Matt Leinart replaced by David Garrard. Gone are running backs LeSean McCoy and Fred Taylor in exchange for Marshawn Lynch. Gone is the injured wide receiver Laurent Robinson in exchange for Domenik Hixon.

All in all, it seems that when Frank Gore went down with an ankle injury last week, flipcups may have pushed the panic button prematurely. The only way I can explain this trade is that management has completely lost faith in Kurt Warner. Why they think David Garrard is a better option than Kurt Warner is beyond me. Sure, Warner hasn't played terribly well, but he still has the weapons and the potential to be a top ten quarterback. One can't play the age card for dynasty purposes because if the Jaguars don't win this year, then they may be looking for a new coach and a new QB in next year's draft. The real prize in the trade that seems to have been sought for by flipcups is Marshawn Lynch. Last year he was was the 13th best rusher in the NFL. Still, Lynch hasn't proved anything for this season. Furthermore, Lynch now has to share the rock with Fred Jackson. Why not just keep LeSean McCoy who has run extremely well in Brian Westbrook's absence? McCoy has run so well that they are now considering a running back time share in Philadelphia. If Lynch re-establishes himself as the premier runner in Buffalo, then it's not a bad move for this season and beyond. Trading Robinson for Hixon is at least getting someone who will possibly contribute this season. Long term, I don't like Hixon, as the Giants have better up and coming options with Mario Manningham and Hakeem Nicks. All-in all, I think the trading partner Shiz Another Day (3-0) got the better end of this trade with two future starters in McCoy and Leinart. Plus, Fred Taylor is emerging as the primary back for New England. Shiz is even more of a contender for this season.

The trade I did like for flipcups was grabbing Glen Coffee for his 2010 #1 pick from The Man With the Golden Ginn. It's a bit pricey for an unproven backup, but considering how hot this prospect is this week, flipcups had to pay a premium. Hindsight is 20/20, but considering Gore's injury history, flipcups should have been in negotiations much earlier to grab a handcuff at a lower price. This deal is really the only trade that needed to be made.

Now on to the position match-ups.

QB Battle
Philip Rivers vs. David Garrard
Phillip Rivers is the better QB here going against the Pittsburgh Steelers, the 15th best defense against the pass so far this season. The passing game is where the Steelers can be exposed and Rivers has the arm to do it with awesome weapons: Vincent Jackson, Antonio Gates and Darren Sproles. David Garrard is coming off a decent game against Houston, where he didn't have to win the game because MJD was more than enough against a pathetic Texans run defense. Garrard will face the Titans' 29th worse passing defense. With the emergence of receiver Mike Sims-Walker, this is a golden opportunity for Garrard to shine. Still, I have to give the edge to Rivers because he's proven himself to be more consistent than Garrard.

Edge: Mr. Big

Running Game
Matt Forte and Mewelde Moore vs. Ronnie Brown, Glen Coffee and Marshawn Lynch

Matt Forte totaled over 100 yards last week combined with rushing and receiving. However, Forte has yet to put up stud numbers. This week Forte faces the Detroit Lions, the 16th worst rush defense in the league. It would appear, if Forte is going to emerge as a stud this year and prove himself worthy of the #2 draft pick, then now is his time to shine. However, these Lions were able to shut down Clinton Portis last week and eek out a win. Furthermore, Detroit's passing defense is even worse, which could create more opportunities for Cutler to look downfield or to bigger targets like Greg Olsen. I see Forte having a good game, but not a stud game, which is what Mr. Big so badly needs.

If Willie Parker can't go, then I see Melwelde Moore as the best option against a Chargers run defense that Parker gashed last year. The Chargers defense is better, but I think Moore can put up some points in the passing game. The problem is that he might not get going until the second half, especially if Tomlin decides to give the underachieving Rashard Mendenhall a shot. The potential for a very good game is there for Moore, but the best one can hope for is RB2 numbers.

The Saints defeated Buffalo last week by running the ball with Lynell Hamilton and Pierre Thomas racking up three touchdowns. I expect Ronnie Brown to have much success in running the ball down the Bill's throat this week as well. Brown has not delivered consistently this year, but I expect to see Brown deliver stud numbers in this game after being just adequate last week.

Folks have been hard on Glen Coffee's poor relief showing against the Vikings defense, but give him a break - he's not a stud, or even a Tashard Choice, and that was a tough defense. Coffee gets to prove whether his pre-season was a tease or whether he can produce RB1 numbers against the 27th worse running defense in the league. Still, Clinton Portis didn't get the job done against the Rams, but maybe that was due to injury. I like Coffee's chances of producing a good game.

Marshawn Lynch looked really good in the preseason. He looked a lot better than Fred Jackson. However, Jackson has looked great during the regular season, so now they both are going to share the touches. Miami has the third best rushing defense in the league, so I don't expect Lynch's return to be anymore than adequate.

Edge: flipcups

Receiving Game:

Dwayne Bowe, Kevin Walter and Jacoby Jones vs. Brandon Marshall and Chad Ochocinco

Dwayne Bowe took snaps with the first team today, so there's a chance he plays this weekend. The match-up is against the number one passing defense in the league. Still, Bowe is said to be running with speed and explosion, so you gotta start him cause he's good enough to overcome any D and even a bad QB. It's not ideal, but you hope for decent numbers opposed to stud numbers.

The idea with the Houston vs. Oakland game is that Nnamdi Asomugha will shut down Andre Johnson, leaving both Kevin Walter and Jacoby Jones (smart waiver wire pickup) free to run wild against the remaining secondary. It's a good strategy for this week, and Walter looked good last week. I expect solid WR2 numbers from Walter and solid WR3 numbers for Jones.

Last week, Brandon Marshall finally had a good game, and many expect that to continue this week since Dallas will most likely shut down the run trying to force Kyle Orton to beat them in the air. This strategy means more opportunities for Marshall who may return back to a true WR1 form. I like the upside here.

Chad Ochocinco has such a good match-up against the Browns that flipcups must have been salivating, when he set his line-up. Carson Palmer and Ochocinco have displayed adequate, but not superstar numbers, thus far. I heard an interview with Ochocinco last night about how his thought process was wrong last year, and how he wasn't focusing on the right things. I'm all for visualization, and this week I see Ochocinco living up to expectations and producing like a true fantasy WR1.

Edge: flipcups

TE Matchup
Chris Cooley vs. Kellen Winslow

Tampa Bay hasn't allowed a TD to a TE this year, but who cares. They are the 21st worse defense against the pass, and this match-up is prime for Chris Cooley to get in sync with Jason Campbell as they light up the Bucs.

Josh Johnson is a a pretty good athlete, and he's mobile. Johnson can get the ball to Kellen Winslow, who is explosive and can produce. Still, it's a crap shoot with any Tampa Bay offensive players so far, and with this being Johnson's first game, it's hard to predict what will happen.

Edge: Mr. Big


Josh Brown vs. Jay Feely

I got a feely that Jay Feely's Jets are better than Josh Brown's Rams. My gut feely is that Jay Feely prevails.

Edge: flipcups

Defensive/ Special Teams Battle
Indianapolis Colts vs. Jacksonville Jaguars

The Colts's passing defense is pretty good and they should keep Seattle in check. The Jaguars are the worse against the pass and overall give up the 25th most total yards as opposed to the Colts at #12. Give me the Colts.

Edge: Mr. Big

Summary

Mr. Big has the edge in the QB, TE and D/ST. flipcups has the edge with the RB, WR and PK. flipcups is not that far behind in the QB match-up due to Garrard's good match-up. All in all, I see the RB and WR game producing the most points in this event. Ultimately, Mr. Big comes up short, and the victory goes to flipcups.

Predicted Winner: flipcups

Who do I want to win?
Mr. Big. Nobody wants to see a fellow Huddler go 0-4 (unless they were playing me). Plus, I want a bigger lead in my division.

damn dude, solid writing there.

Yeah, I'm resigned to sucking this year. I don't think my team was that bad, but whatever.
The Champ is Here
Yeah thats impressive. LordOpie, You can pick my starting QB this week If i can pick your starting defense, you can pick 2 and ill choose 1...
WashingtonD
Nice thread Champ and nice extended write up Relish!

I'm really hoping to log a win this week, but we shall see
electricrelish
QUOTE (LordOpie @ 10/2/09 9:04pm) *
damn dude, solid writing there.

Yeah, I'm resigned to sucking this year. I don't think my team was that bad, but whatever.


I didn't say your team was bad. It's all about the match-ups each week, and how the ball bounces; and even then, it's sometimes just a crap-shoot. I won my first game because the Philly defense exploded. I tried to trade that defense right before the season started. I won last week's game because Santana Moss exploded. Both weeks were pretty lucky for me.

This game is going to be pretty close.

One more thing I forgot to note. The more that I look at flipcups trade, I'm thinking he may have had to give up all of those players to get Lynch. He may not have felt confident that rookies Coffee and McCoy could do the job until Gore comes back, so getting last year's 13th highest rusher with Lynch is a pretty good move. I don't like the QB part of the trade (time will only tell), but I admire the guts to make big moves to put your team in a position to win.

I thought trading for LT with Shiz was a big trade, but so far it's been a bust for both of us. I got 10.35 points from LT in Week 1. At least, he got 20.40 points last week from FWP.
The Champ is Here
QUOTE (electricrelish @ 10/2/09 9:23pm) *
I didn't say your team was bad. It's all about the match-ups each week, and how the ball bounces; and even then, it's sometimes just a crap-shoot. I won my first game because the Philly defense exploded. I tried to trade that defense right before the season started. I won last week's game because Santana Moss exploded. Both weeks were pretty lucky for me.

This game is going to be pretty close.

One more thing I forgot to note. The more that I look at flipcups trade, I'm thinking he may have had to give up all of those players to get Lynch. He may not have felt confident that rookies Coffee and McCoy could do the job until Gore comes back, so getting the 13th highest rusher with Lynch is a pretty good move. I don't like the QB part of the trade (time will only tell), but I admire the guts to make big moves to put your team in a position to win.

I thought trading for LT with Shiz was a big trade, but so far it's been a bust for both of us. I got 10.35 points from LT in Week 1. At least, he got 20.40 points last week from FWP.


I acually submitted both trades aroudn the same time, although I tried getting Coffee a week early for a 2nd, then a 2nd and 4th, and then a 2nd and 3rd. When gore went down I ponyd up the first round pick, knowing that picks can be crapshoots and hopefully its not a top 8 or so pick.

Giving up Warner was risky but thats where I had talented depth. I didnt want to have a qb ripping off 20s or so each week on my bench so I used that to downgrade and upgrade with Lynch, I loved owning him last year and wanted to try to grab him a medium value coming off the 3 game suspension. If not for the suspension hes a top 15 pick in the draft.
The Champ is Here
I did love what Mccoy did in college, it will be interesting to see what he puts up if hes splitting carries, and what he eventually becomes as the #1 in Philly, dont know how long Westy will stick around though.
LordOpie
QUOTE (The Champ is Here @ 10/2/09 7:14pm) *
Yeah thats impressive. LordOpie, You can pick my starting QB this week If i can pick your starting defense, you can pick 2 and ill choose 1...

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electricrelish
QUOTE (The Champ is Here @ 10/2/09 9:30pm) *
Giving up Warner was risky but thats where I had talented depth. I didnt want to have a qb ripping off 20s or so each week on my bench so I used that to downgrade and upgrade with Lynch, I loved owning him last year and wanted to try to grab him a medium value coming off the 3 game suspension. If not for the suspension hes a top 15 pick in the draft.


That makes a lot of sense. If you think Palmer can do the job, then why not upgrade another position. Good move.
efi4eye
Nice writeup!

Man, my lineup blows this week! Looking at a probable 0-4 start, I feel like an expansion team, haha
electricrelish
QUOTE (efi4eye @ 10/3/09 9:59pm) *
Nice writeup!

Man, my lineup blows this week! Looking at a probable 0-4 start, I feel like an expansion team, haha


Yeah, there's a petition for you to sell the team. Sign up here. Sign Petition
MonkeyOne
QUOTE (electricrelish @ 10/4/09 6:13pm) *
Yeah, there's a petition for you to sell the team. Sign up here. Sign Petition


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fingfootball
QUOTE (The Champ is Here @ 10/2/09 1:13pm) *
Three Blind Mice -Octoskins (-30)

TBM hurting this week with Turner on bye. I believe he loses this week despite a strong game from Davis, Eli, and Ward. I put Commish at -30.


Thanks for jinxin' the crap out of the commish. I needed all the help I could get this week.
The Champ is Here
QUOTE (fingfootball @ 10/6/09 10:03am) *
Thanks for jinxin' the crap out of the commish. I needed all the help I could get this week.


Davis- 14.80
Ward 19.30
Manning 22.60

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TheShiznit
QUOTE (The Champ is Here @ 10/2/09 8:32pm) *
I did love what Mccoy did in college, it will be interesting to see what he puts up if hes splitting carries, and what he eventually becomes as the #1 in Philly, dont know how long Westy will stick around though.


That is why I traded Lynch....with his propensity for stupid thuggery....I decided on the Upside of McCoy. Also nice to have Warner. But it sure put me in a bye week mess!!!
The Champ is Here
QUOTE (TheShiznit @ 10/7/09 11:06pm) *
That is why I traded Lynch....with his propensity for stupid thuggery....I decided on the Upside of McCoy. Also nice to have Warner. But it sure put me in a bye week mess!!!


Yeah I think it was a good trade all around.
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