This isn't necessarily a rules discussion at this point, but I thought it would be a good idea to discuss this out in the open so that in the future we can all come to an easier settlement when issues arise. Whether we need a rule in place for it is questionable IMO as long as the majority agrees.

One thing that I will ask though is that everyone sticks to the topic and not venture into the situation we just had.

Personally speaking I have no issues with proxies being used for anything we do in Fusion. We've used them for the draft in the past, so I don't see why there should be an issue for anything else. Not everyone can be at the computer every minute of every day & we all lead fairly busy lives outside of fantasy football. I only ask that if you wish to use a proxy that the proper people are notified who the proxy is. If it's a trade then the opposite owner & commish should be notified & if it's waivers or the draft then the player commish & commish should be notified.

Clearly in this league it has to be explicitly spelled out in the rules

Other than that, works for me.

Just me, I am sure, but I don't like the idea of proxies for anytime except during our draft and RFA.

The draft and RFA are time sensitive happenings.

Trades during the season are not. And neither are waivers.

If people are going to want the use of proxies for trades during the season then there has to be a requirement of posting in the forum that a proxy is going to be used.

I have no problem with proxies. Obviously the more communication the better but when you are using a proxy you don't always have time for extra communication. I would say that any deadlines still need to be met even if using a proxy. So, it would make sense to make sure the proxy is aware of their duties at the very least and if a trade is involved the other owner should be as well.

So, if for example Rez called my cell and said, hey I am out of town without access, will you please sub player a for player b for me. As long as I execute that request before the lineup deadline all is well, if I don't too bad and no argument can be made that a lineup change was attempted.

Now part 2 of this... My personal opinion on rules is that they are guidelines to promote fairness and good competition and prevent unfair advantages. I like to think about the reason a rule was written and not strictly the letter of what it says.

For instance, the rule creating a trade deadline was to ensure no last minute unfair trades that would be vetoed went through giving an unfair competitive advantage right before games started. Applying the rule based on it's intention and considering that effort was made to follow the spirit of the rule to me that trade should have been processed.

Obviously this(my) method of interpreting rules has caused us some difficulty in this league but to me it sure is a more fun way of playing fantasy football. Heck I am in one league where people can just call the commish on Monday and say they meant to play a different player and it gets corrected and results updated. That's a level of honor system that I don't think we can handle here and that is a little disappointing to me.

to be devils advocate but what if the need for a proxy arises from not having any internet...ie: there is an outage or you end up being kept away for business longer than was expected and have no net access on the road? That person should be able to call someone and ask that they post/agree or whatever on their behalf....and Trades and Waivers are time sensitive during the season since they have weekly deadlines and even a yearly deadline...

Trades and waivers are not time sensitive. You have a week to take care of either one.

And why place yourself in a position that you have to trade anyway? A well managed team is prepared. Inattention to detail causing a last minute adjustment shouldn't be an excuse for the use of proxies.

I am not trying to be down on anyone... but I personally see no reason for proxies during the season when it comes to trades and waivers. I can see AC's statement on a roster change....but that is it.

I would consider a weekly deadline as time sensitive & there have been numerous occasions where one of us has been out of pocket for a weeks time for various reasons, be it health, vacations, power outages or whatever


Trading and waivers are a major part of this league. No one places themselves in a position to require a trade, it usually just happens. Being this is a dynasty league & the typical owner has 2 QBs it's not an owners fault if one year both his QBs happen to have the same bye. Neither is it an owners fault if one of his QBs happens to go on IR the same week his other one is on bye. Or worse yet, both QBs go on IR the same week. My point being there are many factors that we as owners can't forsee or prepare for and if it happens to be during a week where we are unable to have PC access for whatever reason I think we should be allowed to have a proxy to stand in for us as long as the league or trading partner is informed in some way.

Okay...now that we know where the line is drawn. We will need specific guidelines.

You're a good man Charlie Brown.

Sky had a Charles Schulz quote in his sigline.

Wow... that was a very long time ago John.

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It's people that I can't stand."
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Yeah... uh, I remembered that too.

Needs more input from the other owners...

I'm ok with using proxies. I don't see the need to limit the use of proxies to the draft or off-season FA. Nobody would use a proxy unless they couldn't meet the time constraints on their own, so if the situation calls for and allows for a proxy, then I'm fine with it in all cases.

The proxy of course would obviosuly have to meet all of the same requirements the the original owner would have had to meet.

I'd also like to know who exactly can act as a proxy? I would assume that it would have to be a current Fusion league member, but maybe not (can you designate any Joe Blow to represent you if you can't get access?). Or would it be limited to Fusion Commissioners?

Part of the specifics that willl need to be ironed out.

Got it. Then specifics aside, I'm in favor of allowing the use of proxies.

I have no problem with using proxies at any time. I don't think any of us would do it unless it was absolutely necessary. No one likes to turn over a deadline to someone else with regards to their own team.

I DO agree with AC.....if you use a proxy, the proxy has to make the deadline. If not.....tough. No deal. So...in the case of a trade, you, the proxy and the other owner have to be on the same page. This can place a burden on being a proxy.....so I don't think it's a crime, if asked, to just say "No.....I won't have the time today to do that for you." I don't think it HAS to be a commish......but a commish should be informed ahead of time.

And I mentioned just using the phone......lol. While I still believe that is the most sure way of making everyone aware of the situation and making a time deadline, there should also be verifiable data with a timestamp that everyone was on the same page. (ie...an email or PM, etc.)

With some companies being tight with access during work hours and some of us having altered schedules these days.....I can see this being of use to the league. But I'm pretty sure we can all still email or text (and of course.....call).....even if we can't access The Huddle or MFL from work.

Sky has a point though......don't leave it until an hour before deadline......lol.

I have no issue with the use of proxies so long as the terms and conditions can be spelled out.

THis is what I think as well. Its not so much the proxy that I thought was in violation of the rule, but the fact no one accepted the offer in time and only after the deadline the proxy says he sent me a PM. But I didnt want to mess around with the timing of when something was sent, if its ok to post later than the deadline if a proxy is used, etc..., even if agreed before, etc. So I just pointed out the letter of the law.

Using a commish or other owner makes us pretty limited & may make it difficult to find a proxy in a reasonable amount of time. If you as an owner trusts whoever you get as a proxy then the league should be content that they are acting in your best interest.

Id have no problem with this, if the rules state it.

I have looked through the rules of several of my other leagues in which a proxy has been used for trades, rfa matches, and the like. Proxies are not mentioned in any of the leagues rule books. I have also noted that there were no issues with any of the transactions where said proxy was used. .
If I am on the phone with a league member and make a deal then I damn well better be able to make another call to either a league member or just another Huddler to accept that deal for me via the boards and MFL before the deadline.

I really don't think our issue was the use of a proxy but instead the timing of the acceptance.

As a side note...
We have at least 3 members of this league talking of leaving the league. Another talking of leaving the Huddle boards. What is up with this group? Seriously, Grow up people!

I totally agree. A lot of "taking my ball and going home" being thrown around here lately.

Sometimes a league runs its course. Sometimes it just becomes too much aggravation or just too boring. I'm leaving a league at the end of this season because there is simply zero interaction at all during the off-season and from even week to week. So I understand that when it's time to go, you just go. But with all of the whispers and rumors going on, it sounds as if we're on the last leg of this league. Is implosion really that imminent here? Let's suck it up and salvage this before things out of hand.

Let's not lose sight of the topic gang.

I am going to call the other owners who haven't posted in this thread and offer to be their proxy for stating that they believe proxies are ok.

Brack to topic, I believe proxies are Ok as long as they follow the league policies in their place.

That works for me.

I think proxies are HAWT!