If we do I should get an extra assist and 1/2 sack for Sharper since it was updated, that would give me 2.85 points which would give me the win over Randall.

Just a question, since the boxscore at NFL.com doesn't match the stats from the game at MFL.

If we don't, can we get it voted on for next year?

The rules don't say whether we do or don't, so my guess would be no since we have not done it before. I think the only league where this occurs is HFA and IMO I don't like doing this at all. I would rather lose on Monday than win on Thursday (when the stat changes come out).

If anyone doesn't know where to find this on the site click HELP -> WHAT'S NEW and on the top of the page you will see a link to OFFICIAL STATISTICAL CHANGES.

Of course that's just my opinion and definitely think we need to clear up the rules in the off-season so a vote would be fine by me. We should probably pin a thread at top for suggested rule changes to be voted on.

We rely on the stats provided by MFL for our scoring... I would assume that if MFL updates their stats before the beginning of the next week's games, then it could/should indeed affect the final scores. I don't know whether or not MFL does this though. And this is just my opinion, not a statement on current our rules.

MFL post's the updates from the Elias Sports Bureau usually around Thurs every week but are not automatically updated unless the leagues chooses to do so. Again, I never really liked the idea of going back and "updating" the scores after the games have become final. Just like bad calls from a ref, a missed tackle, etc is part of the game IMO and having to wait until Thurs if you were in a close game to see if you won or lost is lame IMO.

It was just a question and I honestly don't know why you wouldn't count the actual game score I checked with Zia and the original league (ATAP) does use the updated stats.

I looked at the link you gave Greg and I see that Randall has Delmas and the correction for his number of tackles is in the live scoring. I also see that Sharper's corrections aren't included.

Not a case of sour grapes by losing by less then 3 points, just a question since other leagues do use it. But I would still take the win

I don't see why we wouldn't use the stat updates either. Would it suck to lose a game on Thursday when stat updates came out, sure. But winning because you were given points that you shouldn't have been equally as lame imo. If the stats are wrong, and updates are available, we should apply them.

I see no reason to wait for next year either. If this league is modeled after ATAP, and they're applying them, we should retro back to week 1 and apply all available updates.

I agree, that is pretty lame to not get awarded points a player actually earned or have points taken away they didn't earn. It works both ways

ETA: Also, since we do pay for weekly high scores this could have an effect on that. I know it is only $10 a week but still, Jake lost out on a high week because of the contract snafu with Davis.

I would have a seriously problem if we start changing final scores from games already in the books. It's not in our rules, we have NEVER done this and every league I am in save for one doesn't do this. We can vote on this and whatever the league decides is fine by me, but it should be done starting next season if it passes not retroactively. You can make the same argument if a play is called back on a bad call from a ref, mistakes happen, it's part of the game. I am not interested in losing or winning games 3 days after the week comes to an end. Again that's my opinion and have no problem voting on it but will have a HUGE problem instituting it this year and especially going back and changing games / outcomes.

I would think that everyone would want to get actual credit for things that actually happen or lose points that were awarded for things that they got credit for when they shouldn't have

I didn't mean to start a war, I was just asking a simple question

If the powers to be want to put it up for a vote then so be it, if they don't so be it.

:group hug:

Like I said whatever the league decides is fine by me if put to a vote, not trying to cause a war or be a PITA about it. I have stated my opinion about doing it but wouldn't be a game changer for me if the rule is changed. I just don't like the idea of retroactively applying it this year. If we were in week 10 or 12 would we think to do it then? What about last year's outcomes, seems like something that should be implemented from the onset of a year w/ everyone on the same page about it.

As for the stats, the thing with IDP's is this is always going to be problem. Tackles are not an official stat in the NFL and the awarding of them is fairly arbitrary as it's done by different crews at each stadium. Some award assists like crazy, some split tackles between 2 guys as a solo to one and an assist to the other or just give both an assist, some don't give many assist''s at all. I have seen missed tackles awarded to players on a weekly basis that never show up in the box score, so while they do make a few adjustments later in the week I have always felt it's better to just let the chips fall where they are. When you get to the playoffs do you really want to wait all week in a close game deciding if your in or out? I don't, it takes the excitement of that day and puts it off for half a week. Again I am all for a vote, but there are a few ways to look at it I guess.

We have not used the Thursday stat updates previously in this league.

That said, it seems there is enough interest in the subject that I don't think a vote would be out of line in the offseason. However, since we haven't used the changes for weeks 1-4, I doubt it would make much sense to do so going forward this year. I think it should be something that is done from the start of the year.

That is fine with me