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Atlanta Cracker
So after pondering on this a while I really don't think we are too far off from still having the best league at the Huddle. We have great owners, a great format - Dynasty with IDP - and a lot of passion. Just curious what thing or two you think would make this league better. I have a few.

- Obviously, avoiding the passion crossing the line to personal is huge.
- I'll take the hit here and admit having a more understandable rule interpretation/enforcement process would be helpful.
- More active owners is always good but most of us seem to be around still - just not here as much as before.


For me, another would be having a better team. I seem to be pretty good at drafting but not so good at Dynasty. So... maybe I should have never been part of starting this league. unsure.gif

Any thoughts?
Atlanta Cracker
And by better I mean best - back to the way it was when we first started, where no mater what Fusion was the one and only league that mattered winning.
skylive5
People becoming more active all season like they used to be instead of just during RFA.

A lot less yelling and screaming and pointing of fingers. Which we seem to be working on.

A total commitment to the rules.

Less group hugs. (Always makes me shudder.)

People in my division letting me win it more than once. And that once was the 1st year. *sigh*

For Dan to understand that I always say no when it comes to rule changes.... always.





rajncajn
How about discussing a franchise tag? shades.gif
skylive5
QUOTE (rajncajn @ 10/8/09 6:49pm) *
How about discussing a franchise tag? shades.gif


NO!

And no realignment either!


Dallas Sooner
QUOTE (rajncajn @ 10/8/09 8:49pm) *
How about discussing a franchise tag? shades.gif



Id love to discuss this again. And I know Sky isnt in favor of this, but I think it could really work if we just make it real simple.



If you use the franchise tag, it costs $10, with a maximum of a 3 yr contract.
Teams can still bid on your player, but you only have to match half the high bid.
Compensation is a 1st rounder in the next draft, and if you dont have a 1st, you cant bid.
You can not have more than 1 franchise player on your team, at any time, under their franchise contract.
THis includes trading for someone else franchise player under that franchise contract, if you used the player on your current roster.
Again, only 1 franchised player per roster at a time.


I think most teams are in favor of a franchise tag, but cant agree on terms.
This above is just a simple to the point fair way of allowing us to retain 1 player at a time.
Not being able to load up on franchise players from other roster.
Giving teams the ability to still bid on franchise players, but gives current owner a fighting chance of keeping player.
Also not allowing us to lock up player forever, just 3 years.







SteelBunz
QUOTE (skylive5 @ 10/8/09 9:30pm) *
Less group hugs. (Always makes me shudder.)



((((((((((((SKY))))))))))))))

(((((((((Fusioneers)))))))))

smile.gif That takes me back to my chatroom days. sneaky.gif laughing.gif
Atlanta Cracker
QUOTE (Dallas Sooner @ 10/8/09 10:16pm) *
Id love to discuss this again. And I know Sky isnt in favor of this, but I think it could really work if we just make it real simple.


This isn't the thread for that discussion. We will have a much more serious in depth rules review this year than the past couple where we just sort of avoided discussion because it always seemed to get out of control. This time around, keeping it to debate, I think we can accomplish tweaks to improve the league.

Doesn't mean we can get a franchise tag through but we can discuss it again.

Along those lines, when it comes to making changes, I would appreciate it if everyone were open minded enough to accept change that a large majority of the league is in favor of even if you personally don't agree with it or vote against it. Everyone has a right to state their opinions and one vote but taking the position of "If this passes I am quitting" is counterproductive to league improvements IMO.
rajncajn
I thought about doing a weekly match-ups thread. If I have time I'll try to get it started.
Caveman_Nick
Things that would help make this league better:

Dan, stop forgetting to take your celexa

Big John, more obscure facts

More smack, less smacking

DKF, stop winning every game against me in every league we share

Sky, trade me something biggrin.gif

Atomic....oh...nevermind

that is all for now.

Savage Beatings
I'd love to see more than just one Waiver period each week. This is the only league I'm in where if you miss out on the Wednesday Waivers you have no other option to pick someone up. I can't tell you how much I hate that! Wait, yes I can tell you. I HATE that! But that's more of a rules discussion and this thread is more about the league dynamics.

Here's how I approach almost every thread in this Forum: whatever you do, try not to become a target of wrath.

It seems like even the smallest of missteps gets turned into a flame war. So I tend not to participate as much in the forum. I try to fly under the radar and not get involved in the feuds. When I do participate, I try to just throw in a light hearted joke or something like that, in an attempt to ease the tension.

I don't know what to suggest to change that. There are owners here who just plain hate each other. That can't help but spill into the rest of the league in different ways. I feel like I'm expected to take sides. I'm really just not interested in taking sides. I just want to try to run a half-way competitive team that occassionally gets incredibly lucky against superior talent. smile.gif
DKF
QUOTE (Savage Beatings @ 10/9/09 9:30am) *
I just want to try to run a half-way competitive team that occassionally gets incredibly lucky against superior talent. smile.gif

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Caveman_Nick
QUOTE (Savage Beatings @ 10/9/09 9:30am) *
Here's how I approach almost every thread in this Forum: whatever you do, try not to become a target of wrath.

It seems like even the smallest of missteps gets turned into a flame war. So I tend not to participate as much in the forum. I try to fly under the radar and not get involved in the feuds. When I do participate, I try to just throw in a light hearted joke or something like that, in an attempt to ease the tension.

I don't know what to suggest to change that. There are owners here who just plain hate each other. That can't help but spill into the rest of the league in different ways. I feel like I'm expected to take sides. I'm really just not interested in taking sides. I just want to try to run a half-way competitive team that occassionally gets incredibly lucky against superior talent. smile.gif


I don't mean this specifically towards you, but more to the mindset you are presenting, because I think that others do or have in the past thought the same way...

If that's how you feel, why be here? I can't imagine that this is fun for anyone.

This is JMO, but there's no need to walk on eggshells. I have had disagreements with many people in this league, in this forum, another forum, or in a private conversation. There's no reason for grudges because of those disagreements.

I actually think that Savage just summed up really well one of the things that's hurting the league. Things that are in the past should stay there, and we should all just move on and be ourselves. All of the feelings people have about not wanting to stick their heads out from under their proverbial shells holds those people back from enjoying what we are all doing here.

IMO you (I mean everyone, not Savage) either want to be a part of this great league or not. If not, that's really too bad, but then why do it? If you do want to be a part of it, then do so. If you have a big issue with someone, make peace. I mean, is anything that anyone has done to anyone else really unforgivable? I don't think it's even close to the case. If we had 16 people that really wanted to do this thing every week then we would have great camaraderie most of the time instead of feeling like we had sketchy camaraderie all the time.
Dallas Sooner
QUOTE (DKF @ 10/9/09 8:38am) *
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He wasnt talkin about your team.
He creamed your ass week 1. Wasnt even close. So that wasnt luck..... sneaky.gif
Caveman_Nick
QUOTE (DKF @ 10/9/09 9:38am) *
mad.gif


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Dallas Sooner
QUOTE (Caveman_Nick @ 10/9/09 8:46am) *
I don't mean this specifically towards you, but more to the mindset you are presenting, because I think that others do or have in the past thought the same way...

If that's how you feel, why be here? I can't imagine that this is fun for anyone.

This is JMO, but there's no need to walk on eggshells. I have had disagreements with many people in this league, in this forum, another forum, or in a private conversation. There's no reason for grudges because of those disagreements.

I actually think that Savage just summed up really well one of the things that's hurting the league. Things that are in the past should stay there, and we should all just move on and be ourselves. All of the feelings people have about not wanting to stick their heads out from under their proverbial shells holds those people back from enjoying what we are all doing here.

IMO you (I mean everyone, not Savage) either want to be a part of this great league or not. If not, that's really too bad, but then why do it? If you do want to be a part of it, then do so. If you have a big issue with someone, make peace. I mean, is anything that anyone has done to anyone else really unforgivable? I don't think it's even close to the case. If we had 16 people that really wanted to do this thing every week then we would have great camaraderie most of the time instead of feeling like we had sketchy camaraderie all the time.


I am not going to step into this mess on so many levels....
Atlanta Cracker
QUOTE (Savage Beatings @ 10/9/09 9:30am) *
I'd love to see more than just one Waiver period each week. This is the only league I'm in where if you miss out on the Wednesday Waivers you have no other option to pick someone up. I can't tell you how much I hate that! Wait, yes I can tell you. I HATE that! But that's more of a rules discussion and this thread is more about the league dynamics.

Here's how I approach almost every thread in this Forum: whatever you do, try not to become a target of wrath.

It seems like even the smallest of missteps gets turned into a flame war. So I tend not to participate as much in the forum. I try to fly under the radar and not get involved in the feuds. When I do participate, I try to just throw in a light hearted joke or something like that, in an attempt to ease the tension.

I don't know what to suggest to change that. There are owners here who just plain hate each other. That can't help but spill into the rest of the league in different ways. I feel like I'm expected to take sides. I'm really just not interested in taking sides. I just want to try to run a half-way competitive team that occassionally gets incredibly lucky against superior talent. smile.gif


I think that sums up the way a lot of people feel. That is how I felt until I just now decided to change my mindset.

QUOTE (Caveman_Nick @ 10/9/09 9:46am) *
I don't mean this specifically towards you, but more to the mindset you are presenting, because I think that others do or have in the past thought the same way...

If that's how you feel, why be here? I can't imagine that this is fun for anyone.

This is JMO, but there's no need to walk on eggshells. I have had disagreements with many people in this league, in this forum, another forum, or in a private conversation. There's no reason for grudges because of those disagreements.

I actually think that Savage just summed up really well one of the things that's hurting the league. Things that are in the past should stay there, and we should all just move on and be ourselves. All of the feelings people have about not wanting to stick their heads out from under their proverbial shells holds those people back from enjoying what we are all doing here.

IMO you (I mean everyone, not Savage) either want to be a part of this great league or not. If not, that's really too bad, but then why do it? If you do want to be a part of it, then do so. If you have a big issue with someone, make peace. I mean, is anything that anyone has done to anyone else really unforgivable? I don't think it's even close to the case. If we had 16 people that really wanted to do this thing every week then we would have great camaraderie most of the time instead of feeling like we had sketchy camaraderie all the time.


I don't think it's as simple as saying you either want to be part of this league or don't. Everyone here wants to be part of it or we wouldn't be here. I for one want to change the direction of things and make it easier for folks to express their views without worrying about being flamed. For some it's just a matter of changing approach and not letting it bother you. For others it will take time to see that things have changed for them to gradually ease back into the mix. I'm ok with that. The key is making it comfortable for debate and that will be a steady progression not achieved overnight.

The key is making a turning point where we head in a positive direction rather than letting the downward spiral that we've been on for the past couple of years continue to the point that people no longer want to be in the league because it isn't worth it.
Caveman_Nick
QUOTE (Atlanta Cracker @ 10/9/09 10:00am) *
I don't think it's as simple as saying you either want to be part of this league or don't. Everyone here wants to be part of it or we wouldn't be here. I for one want to change the direction of things and make it easier for folks to express their views without worrying about being flamed. For some it's just a matter of changing approach and not letting it bother you. For others it will take time to see that things have changed for them to gradually ease back into the mix. I'm ok with that. The key is making it comfortable for debate and that will be a steady progression not achieved overnight.

The key is making a turning point where we head in a positive direction rather than letting the downward spiral that we've been on for the past couple of years continue to the point that people no longer want to be in the league because it isn't worth it.


Fair enough. For me it's just easy enough to not let things bother me. Perhaps that's more of a rarity than I would think.
DKF
QUOTE (Dallas Sooner @ 10/9/09 9:47am) *
He wasnt talkin about your team.
He creamed your ass week 1. Wasnt even close. So that wasnt luck..... sneaky.gif

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skylive5
Right from the beginning Fusion had vocal and non-vocal owners. Early it was a majority of vocal. Lately it has been a majority of non-vocal. I attribute it mostly to real life changing the way people do things. I mean, this is a 7 year old league. Time changes everything..including people.

And we have never, at least that I can remember, ever had a discussion in this forum that wasn't 'spirited'. That is the nature of Fusion. However, there are still 11 of the orig 16 still here..... so that must say something.

We eliminate the 'personal' and just return to 'spirited' discussion I think we will be alright.

Fatman
As the new guy, I find very little to gripe about. My impression, from viewing the league for a few years before joining, is that crap talking/investment seems to be down a bit. That said, I'll do my part and start talking sh*t.

Also, FWIW, I don't periodically check MFL for trade offers. I've been conditioned to only look for them via PM. If I've missed an offer because of this, my bad.
skylive5
QUOTE (Fatman @ 10/9/09 7:57am) *
Also, FWIW, I don't periodically check MFL for trade offers. I've been conditioned to only look for them via PM. If I've missed an offer because of this, my bad.


If you turned on the email alert at MFL you wouldn't miss any trade offers. biggrin.gif

Atlanta Cracker
QUOTE (skylive5 @ 10/9/09 11:05am) *
If you turned on the email alert at MFL you wouldn't miss any trade offers. biggrin.gif


I have that on but during the season I get so much MFL email I seldom notice trade offers.
Fatman
QUOTE (skylive5 @ 10/9/09 11:05am) *
If you turned on the email alert at MFL you wouldn't miss any trade offers. biggrin.gif


Fine, apparently I'm just a jerk... glare.gif
skylive5
QUOTE (Fatman @ 10/9/09 8:14am) *
Fine, apparently I'm just a jerk... glare.gif



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skylive5
QUOTE (Atlanta Cracker @ 10/9/09 8:10am) *
I have that on but during the season I get so much MFL email I seldom notice trade offers.


You mean the one a year that you get? :oldrazz:

Bonehand
You know what would make this league better? Waivers in MFL. Gotta say, I hate hate hate the email waivers.
rajncajn
QUOTE (Bonehand @ 10/13/09 4:29pm) *
You know what would make this league better? Waivers in MFL. Gotta say, I hate hate hate the email waivers.

Yup
skylive5
QUOTE (Bonehand @ 10/13/09 2:29pm) *
You know what would make this league better? Waivers in MFL. Gotta say, I hate hate hate the email waivers.



QUOTE (rajncajn @ 10/13/09 3:41pm) *
Yup


Suppose that will be something we can bring up in March. I guess.

Atlanta Cracker
I'm sure there was a reason we did it this way to start with. Perhaps the MFL waivers wasn't up to snuff yet. More than likely it had to do with cuts and contracts. I think some input from Big John and DKF on the feasibility of using the MFL waiver system v/s our current system would make the most sense. If it makes it easier for them I am all for it. If it makes it harder then I don't want to add to the burden.
skylive5
QUOTE (Atlanta Cracker @ 10/13/09 4:39pm) *
I'm sure there was a reason we did it this way to start with. Perhaps the MFL waivers wasn't up to snuff yet. More than likely it had to do with cuts and contracts. I think some input from Big John and DKF on the feasibility of using the MFL waiver system v/s our current system would make the most sense. If it makes it easier for them I am all for it. If it makes it harder then I don't want to add to the burden.


I don't believe that the assigning of contracts etc. can be addressed at MFL. And keep in mind that even if they could get that part up and running.... we are into our seventh year and there are still people that can't get it right when they bid. Think if we went to MFL waivers after one week we would be back to emails because it would be a complete clusterf.....

DKF and Big John really don't need the headache taking care of the extra work and figuring out would require.

JMO.

REZ
Well, I'll say that one improvement is more communication in the forum.
The best leagues I'm in, the forums are active.
Used to be Fusion far and away.
This is still the league I pay the most attention to and want to win the most.
I wish the forum was more active and I'm as guilty as anybody else of not contributing.

I think we need a group hug.
Caveman_Nick
QUOTE (REZ @ 10/13/09 9:27pm) *
Well, I'll say that one improvement is more communication in the forum.
The best leagues I'm in, the forums are active.
Used to be Fusion far and away.
This is still the league I pay the most attention to and want to win the most.
I wish the forum was more active and I'm as guilty as anybody else of not contributing.

I think we need a group hug.



We have a match this week. I as thinking more of a slap2.gif , a nutkick.gif , or a whack.gif


sneaky.gif
SteelBunz
QUOTE (REZ @ 10/13/09 9:27pm) *
I think we need a group hug.

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skylive5
There will be no hugging!

I am sure it is in the rules.
Bonehand
QUOTE (skylive5 @ 10/13/09 4:46pm) *
I don't believe that the assigning of contracts etc. can be addressed at MFL. And keep in mind that even if they could get that part up and running.... we are into our seventh year and there are still people that can't get it right when they bid. Think if we went to MFL waivers after one week we would be back to emails because it would be a complete clusterf.....

DKF and Big John really don't need the headache taking care of the extra work and figuring out would require.

JMO.


I think you would find that it actually saves DKF and Big John work, as they wouldn't have to collate it all manually. The contract stuff can be done by comment in the waiver field, or as a post in the forum.

And, it would make me more comfortable as to what was going to be accepted, if I change my mind after the email is sent. I would rather correct the waiver myself that worry about sending multiple emails. Not to question Big John and DKF, it's just the kind of thing that stresses me out.

It's not like we would be inventing the wheel here, MFL waivers are SOP in many leagues. Essentially the change would be a headache reducer, not the other way around. JMO as well.
SteelBunz
How about some sort of Gentleman's rule where if you trade for a player and he decides to have surgery the following week......you can give him back. rolleyes.gif
skylive5
QUOTE (SteelBunz @ 10/14/09 4:12pm) *
How about some sort of Gentleman's rule where if you trade for a player and he decides to have surgery the following week......you can give him back. rolleyes.gif



Hmmm... I think we can put that on the March agenda too. smile.gif
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