Holmes Could Miss Rest Of Season

Priest Holmes is in Florida today getting a second opinion on his sprained knee (The Chiefs are listing it as a grade-2 strain to the right knee). A grade-2 sprain is essentially a partial-tear in the ligament, and can either require rest or surgery depending on the individual and the situation. Coach Dick Vermeil said that Holmes getting a second opinion is no reason for alarm. "He's concerned because this is a thing he's done before (in Baltimore)," Vermeil said. "You just can't predict when it's going to heal enough to allow him to play."

That statement from Vermiel is coach talk for "I don't want you to worry you, but I’m worried."

According to sources close to the Chiefs running back, "My opinion is he won't play anymore this season. He (Holmes) says he had something like it in Baltimore."

The knee injury Holmes suffered in Baltimore before becoming a free agent acquisition of the Chiefs did require surgery.

If you were savvy enough to roster Derrick Blaylock then you get a replacement that will help ease the loss the Chiefs future Hall of Fame running back. Remember that Blaylock and Holmes are two different animals. Holmes is much more demonstrative in his running style and is capable of breaking tackles and finding the end zone like no running back in league.

Do not be surprised if the Chiefs tank the season and use more of Larry Johnson as the season moves forward. After Blaylock received 33 carries last week he came out of the game with a gimp knee and is subject to injury on any given play. If you participate in a deep league and have afforded yourself roster room for your playoff run this year consider stashing Larry Johnson on your bench. If the Holmes injury situation unfolds as described in this update, the Chiefs will have little choice but to not only use Larry Johnson, but will be given an opportunity to see what they actually have in the bruising running style of the Penn State grad.

Since Holmes' playing status for the remainder of the season is in doubt, and depending on your philosophy of "in good faith", you might consider shopping Holmes to an owner that is deep at running back and willing to gamble on Priest returning later this year. The Chiefs are in essence bankrupt of any post-season hopes, and without Holmes are a long shot to finish at .500 on the season. So there is little upside to rushing Holmes back into action if it risks further injury to his knee.

What I am saying is that I believe the Holmes source is correct when they verbalized Holmes’ playing status for Week #11, is actually his status for the rest of the season, "Doubtful."

It is worth noting that Holmes has in the past surprised us before, but those occasions had post-season implications on the line. That is simply not the case with the Chiefs this year.

There hasn’t been an official announcement on Holmes’ playing status, and the report from the Florida surgeon offering Holmes a second opinion on his injured knee has yet to be determined. But weighing the facts, the circumstances, and what is at stake if Priest Holmes played again this season simply for personal goals---tips the scales in a direction that makes Holmes’ return this year unlikely.

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where is this article from?

Another fantasy site.

Yeah, after 2,242 posts, you should know to post links.

Would you mind elaborating?

You guys are too much. I posted the WHOLE article on here. profantasysports.com

If he does play again this year or if he doesn't play again this year I don't know, but this is what the article says.

For future reference, post a link for the article you cite as well to verify the credability of your post. This site has a had number of problems with people posting fake news in the past...

If you intentionally post false or inaccurate information in an attempt to mislead others, your account at The Huddle Message Board will be deleted and your IP Address will be banned. No questions asked, no second chance.

Didn't think of it in that way. Makes sense. Anyway that's what the article says, so we'll see.

I think g-fan was just being respectful of the Huddle and not promoting other sites, while sharing the info he found.

giantsfan, let me go on record as saying that I don't require a link to verify--I actually appreciate the copy and paste on this board.

Thanks for the information!

That's cool. I'm just telling you that's the "rule" here.

100% in agreement with you here.

Going fishing again?

Not at all Bill...not in the least. I am agreeing that the intentions are genuine to promote information from another site, but not to link to a competitor.

You have to determine which people here are inclined to potentially post false information--which happens very rarely around here.

giantsfan's copy and paste is sufficient for me, perhaps not for others, but for me, it's just fine.

Understandable. I didn't mean to insinuate that giantsfan was intentionally posting false info, but with no author or publication listed it is tough to assess the validity of any report. Hell even ESPN and Sportsline have been fooled before.

Well I appreciate the trust. Considering I post on here ALL the time I think it would be but whatever. Really not that big a deal to me.

That's a crock of $hit. People post links for news from other web sites here all the time. If DMD or WW had a problem with it, they would've stopped it by now.



I don't think that giantsfan would necessarily do something like that either, but it's not like he's been here that long, so I have no reason to trust him either.

If you're going to post news that's VERY important (like the #1 fantasy player being out for the rest of the season, according to a team source), post the link. Have you ever written a paper for school or, more importantly, published in the real world without citing your sources? Of course not, because it's not acceptable.

I asked DMD this question , just last week. We are not to post articles from othe r boards and if we do. DO NOT Post links. according to him persoanally.

Very true. With that in mind let me say 1 thing now. If he does play again this year I do NOT want to hear 1 person say a word to me about anything LOL. I'm just posting the article I saw not coming up with this on my own. Don't kill the messenger if it turns out semi wrong and he plays again this year.

REALLY? I didn't know that. If that's the case, then about 90% of the members are unaware of it.

My bad...

Bill, what is your suggestion for the people that are here on Sunday mornings?

Usually, the inactive lists are announced on TV about 55-60 minutes before kick-off, when in fact they have to be reported to the league 90 minutes before the game starts.

Listening to the radio the last few weeks, I told people about inactives like Dillon, S. Davis, T. Jones...well before ESPN had Mort on, or before an internet page could post it.

Are you going to not believe this information because I didn't post a link?

Serious question, Bill.

Yeah, I PM'd him and asked him about it last week when someone was calling me a tool for not posting the link.

I said before the season Holmes would probably sustain a major injury after he posted that TD record. I wasn't rooting for it, but I was looking for it due to abnormal wear and tear.

I've reported things here by saying, "ESPN radio reports that..." or "ESPN News reports that..." That's not a big deal.

However, I think that it's better to post a link when possible to verify the source. Why not? You've already read it somewhere else, so why not cite the source? Why not use the hyperlink tags on this board?

However, if DMD is adamantly against it, then I guess we can't do it now. That said, he's going to have to inform everyone here to stop, because that appears to be the standard way of exchanging information here.

Do you ever make any sense?

You may be mixing up posting a link from a newspaper source compared to a link from a competing fantasy football site?

I didn't realize that there was a big difference. They're both competing sources of news.

If DMD thinks that he's going to lose business to competing FF sites, he's worrying for no good reason. The other sites bite.

Sam, it's best to just ignore him while the adults are in the middle of a conversation.

The "other boards" part is this key part to me. I wouldn't think that includes posting links to ESPN, Sportsline, local newspapers, etc., just don't post links to any sites that would be considered The Huddle's competition. I will not give examples as that would in itself be promoting said competition.

Posting from a newspaper is ok , not a competing site though

ok posting links aside...the question remains can blaylock put up those #'s the rest of the year or will they give johnson the chance to audition, especially if they fall out of contention...

By the way- all this artice does is take in the ACTUAL KC Star article that was published this morning and offer some fantasy "expert"'s speculation on the entire situation. I never heard of that site either, have you guys?

For the record I happen to agree that Holmes is done for this year (I've thought that since he himself uncharacteristically threw out the possibility of surgery the week after he got hurt)- as all of my other posts on this topic have suggested and there are many since I am a giddy new Blaylock owner with a major interest in how this plays out.

I think the reason that everyone wanted to know the source is because there is a big difference in verified news items from newspapers, beat writes, official team news reports, etc. versus synopsis and commentary from the million and one fantasy experts out there ("Fantasy Experts" are like a$$holes- everybody knows somebody with one).

I appreciate the heads up GiantsFan was giving us ( I am being sincere not sarcastic so please don't take it that way), but I really didn't get anything new out of that particular article. I think that sometimes people get caught up in the "Headlines" without digesting the substance of the piece. I have a feeling we will be getting an "official" annoncement of some sort from The Chiefs sooner rather than later.....

I think as long as Blaylock is healthy he'll continue to put up solid numbers. Not sure what his status is though, because I believe he tweaked something in their last game.

Here's what I don't get. Why give LJ a shot? Blaylock is young also so why can't they or wouldn't they give him the shot to see if he can be the guy for the future. Last week LJ was supposed to get touches and no, so I say Blaylock gets the ball for the foreseeable future. All he has done is get 4 TD's against Atl after Holmes went down, and then run for 186 and a TD last week. Why isn't he "the future".

dave, Blaylock's numbers were inflated due to the Saints defense, and an incredible start he had to the game. My best guess, and it's only a guess would be "no" he can't....not the same type of numbers that Priest puts up.

It is also quite evident that Vermeil and Johnson have issues, and as long as Blaylock is healthy enough to play, LJ is a bench warmer, regardless of record.

the reason to give LJ a shot could be the difference between trading him for a 4th rounder and a 2nd rounder

I wouldn't expect 186yds and a TD every week, but behind that O-line he will be at least a solid #2 RB.

I disagree with your first part somewhat. Is Blaylock going to be Priest? Of course not, but to say 1 game against NO is a bit faulty IMO. He also ran for 4 TD's against Atl in place of Holmes, so thus far all he has done is shown VERY good things since he's gotten a chance to play.

Part 2 I agree with. Vermeil obviously does NOT like LJ. Plus look what he did in place of Holmes a few weeks back. 3 tries to get a 1 yard TD, and like a little over 2 YPC. I think it's Blaylock's job if healthy.

Yeah he won't be touched usually until he's in the secondary anyways.

Okay even if what you say is true is that more important than finding out if Blaylock can be your future? I mean if Holmes does have surgery can they really think he's worth counting on for the long haul at his age off of knee surgery.

When and if the Chiefs are eliminated from the playoffs, they may give him a shot just to show his trade value. Behind that O-line he might look better than he really is. Until they are eliminated though, I agree Blalock is the man.

Bummer. I get some of the greatest "hot off the press info" and insight from these message boards due to lots of the fantasy fanatics that post here. It's yet another reason The Huddle's the best. Not only the best info and weekly stats, projections, etc., but also well-informed huddlers. Often, the message boards post info about key info before it shows up in the Huddle News. I can see where there'd be exception to posting info from "Paid" sites, but it seems like it would be ok to post info from free sites.

The funny thing is that this is HUGH news here and the majority of the discussion is an argument over posting and linking etiquite...



just glad I don't have the Priest!

Competing sites, if you belong to any, you will see they usually have a disclaimer about copying info a presenting on other sites. The huddle doesn't need any aggrivation from other sites.

Okay who let the newbie in? You got some nerve getting this thread back on track. :oldrazz:

PFSi Breaking News
http://www.profantasysports.com/fb/PFSiBre...ews_Holmes2.htm


Holmes Could Miss Rest Of Season
by Tony Finn, posted 11/18/04


Priest Holmes is in Florida today getting a second opinion on his sprained knee (The Chiefs are listing it as a grade-2 strain to the right knee). A grade-2 sprain is essentially a partial-tear in the ligament, and can either require rest or surgery depending on the individual and the situation. Coach D1ck Vermeil said that Holmes getting a second opinion is no reason for alarm. "He's concerned because this is a thing he's done before (in Baltimore)," Vermeil said. "You just can't predict when it's going to heal enough to allow him to play."

That statement from Vermiel is coach talk for "I don't want you to worry you, but I’m worried."

According to sources close to the Chiefs running back, "My opinion is he won't play anymore this season. He (Holmes) says he had something like it in Baltimore."

The knee injury Holmes suffered in Baltimore before becoming a free agent acquisition of the Chiefs did require surgery.

If you were savvy enough to roster Derrick Blaylock then you get a replacement that will help ease the loss the Chiefs future Hall of Fame running back. Remember that Blaylock and Holmes are two different animals. Holmes is much more demonstrative in his running style and is capable of breaking tackles and finding the end zone like no running back in league.

Do not be surprised if the Chiefs tank the season and use more of Larry Johnson as the season moves forward. After Blaylock received 33 carries last week he came out of the game with a gimp knee and is subject to injury on any given play. If you participate in a deep league and have afforded yourself roster room for your playoff run this year consider stashing Larry Johnson on your bench. If the Holmes injury situation unfolds as described in this update, the Chiefs will have little choice but to not only use Larry Johnson, but will be given an opportunity to see what they actually have in the bruising running style of the Penn State grad.

Since Holmes' playing status for the remainder of the season is in doubt, and depending on your philosophy of "in good faith", you might consider shopping Holmes to an owner that is deep at running back and willing to gamble on Priest returning later this year. The Chiefs are in essence bankrupt of any post-season hopes, and without Holmes are a long shot to finish at .500 on the season. So there is little upside to rushing Holmes back into action if it risks further injury to his knee.

What I am saying is that I believe the Holmes source is correct when they verbalized Holmes’ playing status for Week #11, is actually his status for the rest of the season, "Doubtful."

It is worth noting that Holmes has in the past surprised us before, but those occasions had post-season implications on the line. That is simply not the case with the Chiefs this year.

There hasn’t been an official announcement on Holmes’ playing status, and the report from the Florida surgeon offering Holmes a second opinion on his injured knee has yet to be determined. But weighing the facts, the circumstances, and what is at stake if Priest Holmes played again this season simply for personal goals---tips the scales in a direction that makes Holmes’ return this year unlikely.

I agree, Blaylock is only a year older than Johnson and Vermeil definitely thinks a lot more of his ability than he does Larry Johnsons'. A thing to keep in mind is that no one really thought all that much of Larry Johnson before his senior year at Penn State, not even the Nittany Lions themeselves...he didn't win the starting RB job in college until his senior year. Even after the huge numbers he put up that season, scouts weren't very high on him. I think the only reason the Chiefs selected him so early was because they thought he was the best RB still left on the board and were desperate to get some insurance for Priest since he was coming off that hip injury...they were worried he might be done back then remember. If not for Holmes's injury, LJ probably isn't even a first rounder, and there have been plenty of other 1st round RB busts anyhow...especially RBs from Penn State.

This is exactly what I was thinking...it may be more about copyright type of issues rather than DMD worrying about people bailing on the Huddle to go to a competing site. I know I have read something that said that we shouldn't post complete articles from other pay sites...I assumed that to mean so they don't get hassled for coypright stuff, but I could be wrong. I post links and player updates on these boards all the time that come from sites like Rotoworld, and no one from the Huddle has ever said stop it or that's it's wrong to do...Rotoworld is a free site though.

I think you got it right

Keep posting the inactives as early as you can, it's saved me once already.