Oooooh - someone is defensive today!    FWIW - my European ancestry is more German than anything else.  But my people left long before the whole Nazi thing went down. 

Fill me in, Spain - what of your Southern heritage fills you with such pride?
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I am not defensive about the Germans since I am not of German ancestry.  You just made an incredibly stupid statement about persons of German ancestry not having any cultural pride, and I corrected you.  Thats all..
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wrapping yourself up in a symbol with the intent of offending people and raising a ruckus is not celebrating any f*ckin' heritage.  if she showed up in some get-up with satanic pentagrams and upsidedown crosses and sh*t on it, she'd get kicked out too, and rightfully so.  if she wanted to celebrate her southern heritage, she could wear one of those crazy gone with the wind dresses with the fancy umbrella and all that crap and everybody would be fine with it.  when she drapes herself in a symbol that many understandably find offensive, she's trying to make a point that is ridiculously out of context at a friggin prom.
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You just made an incredibly stupid statement about persons of German ancestry not having any cultural pride, and I corrected you.  Thats all. [right][snapback]624419[/snapback][/right]

I'm from the South and the only people I see who display pride are, for lack of a better word, rednecks, who aren't fond of black people to begin with.
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I could not agree more.  I think she was wrong in wearing the dress, as there are far more appropriate ways to display pride in your heritage than by wrapping yourself in something that you know is offensive to some people.
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Your view of the south and our heritage is tainted by everything you see and hear in the media.  That is why you and so many others are just so ignorant about who southerners are and why we see the world differently than you.  Your attitude is indicative that you arent sincerely interested in my southern heritage, but is poised to pounce on what you see as an inferior culture.
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I ask because I never feel the need to brag about my northern heritage.  Frankly, I've never heard anyone around these parts feeling the need to display Northern Pride. 


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I would never display the stars and bars.  Primarily because hate groups have adopted that symbol as their own.  And real frankly, I dont see it very much down here.  I actually see it more when I travel up north..
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Probably because you havent suffered discrimination and ridicule as a result of provinicalism like we have been exposed to our entire lives..
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Probably because you havent suffered discrimination and ridicule as a result of provinicalism like we have been exposed to our entire lives..
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and yet, i don't know of many germans who express their cultural pride by wearing swastika gowns to their high school proms.  so i guess maybe we could call that a point of distinction or something.
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wrapping yourself up in a symbol with the intent of offending people and raising a ruckus is not celebrating any f*ckin' heritage.  if she showed up in some get-up with satanic pentagrams and upsidedown crosses and sh*t on it, she'd get kicked out too, and rightfully so.  if she wanted to celebrate her southern heritage, she could wear one of those crazy gone with the wind dresses with the fancy umbrella and all that crap and everybody would be fine with it.  when she drapes herself in a symbol that many understandably find offensive, she's trying to make a point that is ridiculously out of context at a friggin prom.
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Probably because you havent suffered discrimination and ridicule as a result of provinicalism like we have been exposed to our entire lives..
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Probably because you havent suffered discrimination and ridicule as a result of provinicalism like we have been exposed to our entire lives..
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Quit tellimg me what I think and actually tell me what you think for a change.  Enlighten me.  What is it in your southern heritage that makes you so proud? 

Quit being paranoid - I'm not waiting to pounce.  I celebrate my various European roots, and celebrate the past and present glory of my hometown sports teams, but I have never celebrated northernness in a regional way that separates myself from the rest of my country.  I am truly curious what it is that you celebrate about your southerness.
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I am very proud of my home state, the great state of Texas, home of George W. Bush, and the Dallas Cowboys.  I am proud of the cowboy tradition. [right][snapback]624477[/snapback][/right]

wrapping yourself up in a symbol with the intent of offending people and raising a ruckus is not celebrating any f*ckin' heritage.  if she showed up in some get-up with satanic pentagrams and upsidedown crosses and sh*t on it, she'd get kicked out too, and rightfully so.  if she wanted to celebrate her southern heritage, she could wear one of those crazy gone with the wind dresses with the fancy umbrella and all that crap and everybody would be fine with it.  when she drapes herself in a symbol that many understandably find offensive, she's trying to make a point that is ridiculously out of context at a friggin prom.
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Probably because you havent suffered discrimination and ridicule as a result of provinicalism like we have been exposed to our entire lives..
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I know you asked this of Spain, but let me add my two cents.

I am not extraordinarily proud of my southern roots, nor am I ashamed of them.  I am very proud of my home state, the great state of Texas, home of George W. Bush, and the Dallas Cowboys.  I am proud of the cowboy tradition.  I am proud of the tradition of southern gentlemen, and manners.  I am proud of my Southern Baptist up bringing and the morals that it has given me, though I admit I disagree with some of the doctorine of the church.  I am proud of being able to live off of the land if I had to.  Most of all, I'm proud of our fine breeding stock that produces much better looking women than the North does, at least when they have all of their teeth.

Edited to impove my poor southern spelling.
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I was just coming in to post this exact same thing.  Does anyone really believe she was trying to display her pride?  Or was she doing it to cause problems so she could write an angry letter and get indignant and have people like Spain defend her?

The greatest punishment would have been to let her in, and not make a big deal about it.
People make fun of Northerners all the time.  It just doesn't bother us because it is a known fact that northerners are smarter and more evolved than you stupid redneck hicks. 
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Your view of the south and our heritage is tainted by everything you see and hear in the media.  That is why you and so many others are just so ignorant about who southerners are and why we see the world differently than you.  Your attitude is indicative that you arent sincerely interested in my southern heritage, but is poised to pounce on what you see as an inferior culture.
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My original question: What cultural contributions have white southerners made besides segregation, slavery, and secession from the union?

That's admittedly asked out of ignorance. Let me know if there's anything different so I can be enlightened.
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But would you seriously be able to live off the land if you had to?  Are all Southerners seriously taught subsistance farming as part of their upbringing?
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Hey, I didnt defend that fat neck.  However, her lawyer will be defending her in a court of law very soon. 

p.s.  If the north is so great, why are yall moving down here faster than the beaners are?
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p.s.  If the north is so great, why are yall moving down here faster than the beaners are?
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My original question: What cultural contributions have white southerners made besides segregation, slavery, and secession from the union?

That's admittedly asked out of ignorance. Let me know if there's anything different so I can be enlightened.
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"...and I took the butcher knife and put it up to her neck. I said if you want to live to see tomorrow, you better start fryin' them eggs a little bit better then what you a fryin' em - I'm tired of eatin' sloppy, slimy eggs!"
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Are all Southerners seriously taught subsistance farming as part of their upbringing?
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Yes, I could live of the land if I had to.  I would depend more on wild game and fish than I would on farming, but my back yard garden generally does pretty well.  Not all Southerners could do this, but I'd be willing to bet that a lot could.  It isn't formally taught, it is just something that fathers and sons do as a form of bonding.  Some of the best times I rembember of my grandfather were out at the deer lease.  Dad taught me to read tracks, and to call in turkeys.  How to shoot, how to fish, and so on.  Most of my friends growing up were taught the same by their dads.  I'm sure the real red necks learned a lot more.  Me and most of my friends were upper middle class.  It is just part of the tradition of growing up in the South.
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Didn't some one in New York do that to his mother in the last year or so?  I think I remember seeing it posted here.  Big John, can you give us some help?
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Ummm, hunting and fishing are not a Southern traditions.  They're a pretty big deal around these parts as well.
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... because southerners are stupid.  Get it? 
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But how many up there can do it in their own back yards?  We use deer leases, primarily to get away from the wives, but if I wanted to, I could shoot a deer of my back porch.  Hell I almost pissed on one about a week ago, *** thing was right under my balcony.
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First, slavery and segregation were also practiced in the North, so get off of your high horse. 

If you really are interested, BBQ, cajun food, Tex-Mex food, soul food, western attire, country music, blue-grass music, jazz, all manner of equine competitions, manners, a number of fine bourbons, women in halter tops and cuttoffs, just to name a few.  I guess if I really put my mind to it, I could probably come up with several more.
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First, slavery and segregation were also practiced in the North, so get off of your high horse.  If you really are interested, BBQ, cajun food, Tex-Mex food, soul food, western attire, country music, blue-grass music, jazz, all manner of equine competitions, manners, a number of fine bourbons, women in halter tops and cuttoffs, just to name a few.  I guess if I really put my mind to it, I could probably come up with several more.
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A large number of Southerners are uneducated, but they are far from stupid.  Stupidity knows no regional bounds, and for that matter neither does intelligence.
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A large number of Southerners are uneducated, but they are far from stupid.  Stupidity knows no regional bounds, and for that matter neither does intelligence.
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  right...

Using testing as a method of measuring intelligence give you this.  Be proud Texas.

What other method of determining intelligence is there other than testing?  Hmmm... what could we use to measure how smart someone is regardless of education??  Hmmmm.... Oh yeah!  The north wins again!!!
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I have a simple question that doesn't require any kind of Southern/Northern/European of any other kind of pride to answer.....

- why does ANYONE care what pattern and colors she is wearing on a prom dress? Does it negatively effect anyone in any REAL way? does it hurt anyone's ability to go on living thier life? Oooh your dress hurts my feelings- there are way more offensive things going on all around us everyday and every place. Deal with it.

Sooo stupid- I thought this was a free country- if people can wear t-shirts that say our President is an idiot or whatever why can't a girl wear and red dress with some stars and on it?

People are way to friggin' uptight. 

One other question- is the new "Dukes of Hazzard" movie going to be boycotted because The General Lee sports a Confederate Flag on the roof? Should they also stop selling the "Dukes" DVD's for the same reason?
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Ahh, but that was one ugly friggen prom dress. She could have used the Stars and Bars better than that. She needs a new designer.
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p.s.  If the north is so great, why are yall moving down here faster than the beaners are?
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Yes, I could live of the land if I had to.  I would depend more on wild game and fish than I would on farming, but my back yard garden generally does pretty well.  Not all Southerners could do this, but I'd be willing to bet that a lot could.  It isn't formally taught, it is just something that fathers and sons do as a form of bonding.  Some of the best times I rembember of my grandfather were out at the deer lease.  Dad taught me to read tracks, and to call in turkeys.  How to shoot, how to fish, and so on.  Most of my friends growing up were taught the same by their dads.  I'm sure the real red necks learned a lot more.  Me and most of my friends were upper middle class.  It is just part of the tradition of growing up in the South.
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But how many up there can do it in their own back yards?  We use deer leases, primarily to get away from the wives, but if I wanted to, I could shoot a deer of my back porch.  Hell I almost pissed on one about a week ago, *** thing was right under my balcony.
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