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  1. Believe me, if Bama had have been pushed out, outside of the state of AL you would not have seen that much outrage. The SEC homers got their team in the game, we'd have dealt with it.


    Sort like the way this guy thinks :wacko:


    LSU is No. 1. LSU is so No. 1, even a score-settling upset by Alabama in the BCS Championship Game can't knock it out of No. 1. If the Tigers beat the Crimson Tide a second time, they'll ascend to the ranks of the greatest teams of the last 30 years. If I could reserve my entire top five exclusively for LSU, I would.


    • Now for that other thing. I did rank Oklahoma State No. 2, because the structure of the poll mandates that there must be a No. 2, but my default position remains that Oklahoma State and Alabama are 2a and 2b. Oklahoma State has a better set of wins — three vs. ranked teams to Alabama's two, seven vs. winning teams to Alabama's three — but the Crimson Tide have been more dominant against a perfectly respectable slate and didn't lose to a 6-6 team.


    Alabama's case is not furthered by S-E-C chest thumping because a) The Big 12 easily matched or exceeded the SEC for quality depth, and :tup: Alabama didn't face either of the best teams in the SEC's East Division, Georgia and South Carolina. Oklahoma State endured a nine-game, round-robin conference schedule that did not include any weeks off to casually feast on Georgia Southern, and survived the grind to win the conference title outright. Alabama didn't win its own division. Under the circumstances, I would think the Crimson Tide would be satisfied to call it a wash.

  2. Yes, and it only took 6 straight years of winning the title game before they get love over big programs like USC (cough, 2004 Auburn, cough)... I think teams like Ohio State and other big programs have gotten enough love over the years that we can dispute that ESPN is biased for anyone besides current "sexy" winners that make them money by talking about...


    And even funnier to think that Alabama got in because ESPN (who doesn't have a say in who plays) actually wants 2 teams from the same region, who the majority of the country are complaining about seeing... Those maniacal bastards!

    The one organization that probably didn't want to see this LSU vs Bama game has to be the BCS themselves. Unless of course LSU prevails. Then they can feel good about the process of matching up the two best teams in the BCS NC game. However imagine if Bama wins by a slim margin or worse yet a controversial play. No one really wants to see another split national championship, right?


    The BCS committee is probably scratching their heads wondering how can people complain when in fact the human vote is the only reason why Bama is in this game. :wacko:

  3. Since when does the BCS have anything to do with what "people want to see". 1997? When it was upgrade from just entirely voting on the champ?

    Believe it happenned after the year LSU beat Oklahoma for the 2003 BCS NC? Prior to that the computers played a larger role. Think it had something to do with the fact that the media darlings at that time USC were left out of the big game.

  4. The point is, with so many teams and so small a sample size of credible OOC match-ups, why do we waste the one game we've decided will determine the champ on re-establishing what we've already seen?

    FWIW Colley's Bias Free Matrix Rankings agrees Oklahoma State should have been in the game. The only thing I can come up with is that in a one game type deal that people would rather see a re-match between two proven heavy weights than taking a chance on an up and coming contender. :wacko:


    1. LSU

    2. Oklahoma St

    3. Alabama

    4. Kansas St

    5. Stanford

    6. Oklahoma

    7. Boise St

    8. Oregon

    9. USC

    10. Michigan


  5. Do you really think a playoff would not cause the same kind of second guessing. Unless of course you are proposing what college & the NBA basketball do and take just about any half deserving team. And even if you did take just a handful I can already predict the second guessing on seeding would cause debate.

  6. Until everyone, not just one or two teams, starts playing a meaningful OOC schedule, it's a useless metric to compare conferences. As it stands, with few exceptions, teams that think they might have a shot at the BCS will continue to schedule teams with names you've heard of but are not likely to be all that. Bama vs Penn St is a perfect example. We all know Penn St (well, now for the wrong reason, but that's another topic), so that's a "nice" win. The fact that they're only good enough to beat a true title contender if that contender doesn't show up, doesn't matter. It's still a top 25 OOC win. So that's the kind of team everyone is going to look for.


    Kudos to LSU, by the way, for not taking that bush-league route. I don't know when Oregon was scheduled but they've been strong enough, long enough, that I'm pretty sure they knew they would not be an easy out. And WVU is as good as basically any other team's best OOC game.

    If I recall correctly when Texas and Ohio State decided to play a home and home series it worked out pretty good for both those schools the year they won. Also LSU beating Virginia Tech that year was probably what put them in the BCS NC game.


    Those type OOC games are certainy a risk/reward game aka Virginia Tech likely lost a spot that year cause of LSU game. So if it boils down to two teams a signature OOC game goes a long way. Bama's was t Penn State who did Oklahoma State beat?

  7. Those teams all spend 8 games each playing against one another, so we're not forced to pick two teams given almost zero comparable data.

    Again not crazy about Bama getting a 2nd chance just making a point. The above point stated is exactly why Bama was selected.


    Especially considering that LSU is the first team that I know of to end the season with a perfect 1.0000 BCS rating.


    1 LSU 13-0 1 2875 1.0000 1 1475 1.0000 1.0000 1 1.0000


    Combined the fact that LSU & Bama each spent 8 games playing & dominating similar SEC caliber competition with the fact that it took LSU OT to beat Bama and there you get the reason why Alabama got the nod. LSU historic perfect rating certainly was a huge benefit to Bama.

  8. LSU's defense kept those fg's very long, and blocked one of them, plus Bama was at home. The stars were aligned for the Tide in that game, and they still failed to get the W. Now LSU is forced to have to beat this team again? What a horrible system.

    Bama people are using the Big Ten championship game as an example. Who is the Big ten champion? Michigan State had already beat Wisconsin and was forced to play them again. :wacko:

  9. I've come to the conclusion your not going to persuade SEC fans of anything, regardless if 99% of the population thinks they are delusional.

    I came up with a better solution however......which makes 90% of them hypocrites


    When Michigan lost to OSU , they ALL said , it's not fair to have a rematch , now they seem to support rematches LOL

    Please tell me which SEC fan base besides Bama are you referring to? People around here would have much preferred Ok St. :wacko:

  10. This. How is the regular season a play-off? Bama lost the last time they played anyone good. What play-off works that way? What play-off rewards good losses?

    Oklahoma State has no one to blame but themselves. If you recall SEC called for a playoff years ago and all the other conferences shot it down.


    As a Tiger fan I am not pleased with Bama getting another shot either, however I do think they picked the 2 best teams to matchup considering how the SEC has dominated the BCS. Not sure what the line is going to be but if I were to guess LSU would have been favored over the Cowboys by double digits.


    :wacko: Just saying...the BCS actually got it right this time even though many are getting tired of the SEC SEC chant that I am certain you will hear the night of the big game.

  11. Miscarriage of justice. Basically, you guys snowballed me. Everything you said needed to happen for Okie State to get in, happened, and it still didn't happen. Based on an "eyeball" test, you could come to conclusion that Alabama is #2. However, based on EVERYTHING on the field, how in the world can this happen? Oklahoma State has a better resume in every way you want to look at it. This is worse than 2001.

    You are not the only one ticked off . Check this guy out :wacko:


  12. Last night it seem like most all the major networks were predicting a LSU vs Bama rematch. However Sunday morning it seems to me at least that LSU vs Oklahoma State matchup has gained alot more support.


    Computers should have OK State ahead of Bama so it all boils down to the human voters who watched the Cowboys beat up on the Sooners. From what I have read prior to the games yesterday provided Ok State took care of business vs Ok it would require 35% of the voters to choose them over the Tide. However now that Virginia Tech is out of the picture that number drops to a more manageable 25% of the voters.


    My thoughts are that enough voters will say maybe Bama is the 2nd best team in the nation however they did already have a shot and at HOME, so let's give dem Cowboys a crack.

  13. Okie State does have a shot with a big W over OKL, I would agree there. AN Okie State v LSU matchup wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.


    Va Tech? not a chance - that team is average. If they played in a legit conference they would have 3-4 losses Minimum. Easily the most overrated team in the country.


    Just a cluster and fwiw OKL probably beats Okie State and we are all fed with LSU/Bama rematch.

    Virginia Tech does have a shot. Granted it's not much, however if both LSU and OK State were to lose this weekend t's hard to imagine a BCS NC with both opponents not being a conference champion. Personally I think Bama is really rooting for my Tigers this weekend just for that reason. If it comes down to only taking one non confernece champion one would think they would take the team who won the head to head matchup especially if the loser was the home team. :wacko:

  14. BTW Rocker, you say a playoff would make the end of the regular season meaningless... I give you this weekends batch of games. Thanks to the BCS, this is the first time that I can remember where there is literally no meaning. LSU vs Bama is all but set in stone regardless of the outcome of the SEC CG, which I'm told by almost all SEC fans, is the hottest ticket in the south.

    Let me first say I truly believe the two best college football teams this season are LSU and Bama. And since the goal of the BCS is to match up the two best teams at the end of the season, I really have no problem with a re-match should it happen.


    So you REALLY don't think any of these last few games matter at all?


    According to the experts, a re-match is NOT set in stone. Especially since most college football fans don't really want to see an all SEC Championship.


    The good news for those anti SEC fans should a rematch happen is they would finally get to see a SEC team lose a BCS NC Game. :wacko:


    The truth is both Oklahoma State and Virginia Tech still have an outside shot.


    Looking at Oklahoma State arn't they #1 in all the computers? From what I can gather that means if they beat the Sooners they would only need to get one third of the human vote to get the invite over Alabama. And a big double digit win just might persuade enough voters who arn't interested in an all SEC final. You could argue the Cowboys biggest obstacle in getting to the big dance might not be the Sooners, but Virginia Tech and Stanford who are stealing votes from them. Ideally the Cowboys need to win by a large margin and have Tech to lose this weekend and then hope Stanford voters think a conference champion like OK State deserves it more.


    Taking a look at Virginia Tech. The Hookies claim especially should OK State loses is that we are a BCS conference champion despite our poor computer rankings. of course, Tech would need a ton more voters that OK state to jump Bama, so that is alot less likely, but it could happen.


    And who knows what MIGHT happen if LSU were to lose to Georgia by a large margin and Virginia Tech were to lose? Would the voters favor Bama and Oklahoma State over the Tigers? So as you can see these last few games do have some meaning.

  15. If I may ask a question to the "the regular season is the play-off" camp? Say LSU beats ARK and goes to the SEC title game. Win or lose, you've got to figure they're in the BCS title game. Who jumps them?


    So, explain how all the games leading up to the BCS are a play-off when a team can lose their last game prior to the championship and still go? In your deluded little world, aren't the conference championships sort of the "semis"? And, if that's the case, you've basically got two teams, one of whom (Bama) didn't qualify to play in the "semis" and another who lost theirs. And I'm not arguing that these two teams aren't the best two teams in the country.


    But your side harps on how a play-off would take away from some of the games. Isn't making the title game for the most prestigious conference in America a formality sort of the same thing? Especially in light of the fact that the title game for the ACC, Pac 12 and Big 10 are essentially meaningless in terms of determining the Natl. Champ.

    Problem with the playoffs is that the two best teams might actually play in same division of the same conference. Which is sort of what I have been saying for the past few years about the SEC. This past weekend is exactly what makes college football regular season so much better than the NFL. And believe it or not there are still alot of things that could happen.

  16. :wacko: .... tired

    Have to admit the SEC has made college football a little boring of late. Most will privately admit, LSU and Bama are the obvious choice to play in the NC if it boils down to one loss teams.


    The question remains how the human voters would vote if it comes down to that. My guess is that people really don't want to see an all SEC BCS NC even though those are the two best college football teams. Personally I believe should LSU win out and OK State loses that the Sooners will get the nod over Oregon just because Oregon had their shot.

  17. Paterno to retire at END OF SEASON



    Any thoughts why he doesn't step down now?

    Not making excuses for the old man, however old guys like Paterno grew up in an age where this kind of crap was swept under the table. I remember teasing one of my Old Uncles about Patero's age when he told me they could not afford bathing suits and would swim naked at the YMCA. To me that likely means there was some pervert in charge.

  18. At any rate, by going to an 8 team play-off, that gives your team one, maybe two games you can afford to lose (but if you lose 2, you're truly at the mercy of the polls). Assuming, of course, that you've got an impressive resume otherwise. That hardly makes it anything like the NFL in that regard. You're still talking about 8 out of over 100 teams rather than 12 out of 32. And, again, with an 8 team play-off, 4 teams get home games the first round, which is huge.

    LIke I said, don't want to debate this playoff topic again. Just ticked at how lackluster my Saints are playing this season. And to think they are probably still one of the favorites to win it all this year pretty much says it all. :wacko: