Vet Posted September 10, 2005 Author Share Posted September 10, 2005 I couldn't pass up the chance to research this. LaMont toted the rock a total of 11 times for 44 yards in his 4 years as a Jet. That hardly qualifies as experience. Plus, those 11 carries are over the last 4 years, and I'm quite sure the Patriots defense has changed quite a bit by then. I think your avatar ruined your case more than actual stats or how LaMont looked on Thursday. People just assume you are mad that LaMont moved on up to a starting gig. 980121[/snapback] Well, since you fancy yourself the resident historian here, I'm sure you'll be proven right. Since you've done so much research, why don't you explain to the rest of us exactly how the Patriots defense has changed over the past 4 years? You Jordan owners will do anything to justify the pick. Talk to me in December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Jordan inherently has value because he's a starting halfback who will probably get 70% of the carries in his offense. If you took him in the 2nd round, you're an idiot. If you took him in the 4th or 5th, your team will probably be in good shape. My bold prediction: 260/1060/7, 40/250/1 One could do much worse at the #2 RB position... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 I couldn't pass up the chance to research this. LaMont toted the rock a total of 11 times for 44 yards in his 4 years as a Jet. That hardly qualifies as experience. Plus, those 11 carries are over the last 4 years, and I'm quite sure the Patriots defense has changed quite a bit by then. I think your avatar ruined your case more than actual stats or how LaMont looked on Thursday. People just assume you are mad that LaMont moved on up to a starting gig. 980121[/snapback] he's not upset that the 'jets back of the future' got too old to wait and now they have to draft and mold a new young back? well, that just sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 10, 2005 Author Share Posted September 10, 2005 (edited) Jordan inherently has value because he's a starting halfback who will probably get 70% of the carries in his offense. If you took him in the 2nd round, you're an idiot... 980134[/snapback] Wow! I actually agree with Swerski on something. Edited September 10, 2005 by Vet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 whats with the slanderous words all the time swerski. calling somebody an idiot if they drafted jordan in the second round?? why would you even go there. you are just a confrontational donkey brother. you have semi valuable insight, why with the harsh constantly?? doesn't get you respect around here insulting people. its good to have an opinion, most people like to share. they just don't call others idiots because of an opposing view point. is your wife screwing your best friend or something? dog piss on your rug? or are you just like that all the time. nevermind, i can find other civil people that like to have intellectual conversations that don't need to berate people with a different slant. honestly though, i just think your a donkey. going through life hurtful, hateful, and ornery must be fun for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 If you took him in the 2nd round, you're an idiot. 980134[/snapback] You're calling an awful lot of people around here idiots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 ding ding Round TWO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 You're calling an awful lot of people around here idiots 980150[/snapback] If the shoe fits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 (edited) whats with the slanderous words all the time swerski. calling somebody an idiot if they drafted jordan in the second round?? why would you even go there. you are just a confrontational donkey brother. you have semi valuable insight, why with the harsh constantly?? doesn't get you respect around here insulting people. its good to have an opinion, most people like to share. they just don't call others idiots because of an opposing view point. is your wife screwing your best friend or something? dog piss on your rug? or are you just like that all the time. nevermind, i can find other civil people that like to have intellectual conversations that don't need to berate people with a different slant. honestly though, i just think your a donkey. going through life hurtful, hateful, and ornery must be fun for you.980149[/snapback] Dang Crispy! Remind me not to even think of peeing in your Cheerios. Edited September 10, 2005 by Big Score 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 You're calling an awful lot of people around here idiots 980150[/snapback] i think he types his words thinking he is cool. so if someone got him at 2.12 in a fourteen team league they are an idiot. do you listen to yourself? you must think your some sort of genius. more like an idiot savant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Dang Crispy! Remind me not to even think of peeing in your Cheerios. 980160[/snapback] Sounds like someone didn't get enough attention from mommy. You have chosen to ignore crispirons. View this post · Squeeze me a little harder crispirons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 10, 2005 Author Share Posted September 10, 2005 he's not upset that the 'jets back of the future' got too old to wait and now they have to draft and mold a new young back? well, that just sucks 980138[/snapback] You don't "mold" running backs. Was Curtis Martin "molded"? Was Barry Sanders? Emmit Smith? Walter Payton? Eric Dickerson? Marshall Faulk? LaDainian Tomlinson? As soon as you hear a RB is being "molded" for something, dump him. And if you want the "back of the future" get LaMont Jordan. If you want to win now, don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 10, 2005 Author Share Posted September 10, 2005 whats with the slanderous words all the time swerski. calling somebody an idiot if they drafted jordan in the second round?? why would you even go there. you are just a confrontational donkey brother. you have semi valuable insight, why with the harsh constantly?? doesn't get you respect around here insulting people. its good to have an opinion, most people like to share. they just don't call others idiots because of an opposing view point. is your wife screwing your best friend or something? dog piss on your rug? or are you just like that all the time. nevermind, i can find other civil people that like to have intellectual conversations that don't need to berate people with a different slant. honestly though, i just think your a donkey. going through life hurtful, hateful, and ornery must be fun for you. 980149[/snapback] You sound like an upset Jordan owner who drafted him way too high. Don't worry, maybe the rest of your team will make up for Jordan's shortcomings. We all have a weak link on our team. Your's just happens to be LaMont Jordan. No biggie. Relax, the world will not spin off its axis because you paid too much for LaMont Jordan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 You sound like an upset Jordan owner who drafted him way too high. Don't worry, maybe the rest of your team will make up for Jordan's shortcomings. We all have a weak link on our team. Your's just happens to be LaMont Jordan. No biggie. Relax, the world will not spin off its axis because you paid too much for LaMont Jordan. 980172[/snapback] did you go out and call people idiots??? no. you made your point and opinion. thats all good, thats what we want. namecalling for drafting somebody in a certain round, you're just an Kate Middleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 If you drafted Eli Manning in the first round, you are an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 If you drafted Eli Manning in the first round, you are an idiot. 980186[/snapback] Now, Hook, that's a mean thing to say. You're going to hurt crispirons' feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Now, Hook, that's a mean thing to say. You're going to hurt crispirons' feelings. 980187[/snapback] it would take alot more than that to hurt my feelings little sister. i don't blame you however, its usually the upbringing that makes people ignorant and immature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Weasel Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Well, since you fancy yourself the resident historian here, I'm sure you'll be proven right. Since you've done so much research, why don't you explain to the rest of us exactly how the Patriots defense has changed over the past 4 years? You Jordan owners will do anything to justify the pick. Talk to me in December. 980125[/snapback] Resident historian? So much research? It took me 3 minutes to go to NFL.com and pull up those stats. And just to let you know, I don't even own LaMont in any league. I was simply stating that your Jets avatar may have had others around here questioning your thoughts on LaMont. I do own CuMart in my most important league and think he will have another fine season. I am not a Jets fan, nor am I a Raiders fan, but when it was my pick and I had the choice between Curtis and LaMont, I went with the proven stud. As far as the Pats D changing over the last 4 years, let's see here. The leading tackler last year was Rodney Harrison, but he's only been on the team for 2 years. The leading tackler from the front line was Ty Warren, and he too has been there 2 years. Of the 2 starting cornerbacks, Asante Samuel has been with them for 2 years, and Randall Gay for just 1 year. The other safety opposite Rodney is Eugene Wilson, who has been there 2 years. This year's nose tackle - 1 year on the Pats. The LB corps is about the only steady thing over the past 4 years, but they are without Tedy this year. And one of their most famous defensive stars of the last 10 years has left to play for your beloved Jets. That's how the Patriots have changed over the last 4 years. OK, I have to admit, that research took me 11 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 You don't "mold" running backs. Was Curtis Martin "molded"? Was Barry Sanders? Emmit Smith? Walter Payton? Eric Dickerson? Marshall Faulk? LaDainian Tomlinson? As soon as you hear a RB is being "molded" for something, dump him. And if you want the "back of the future" get LaMont Jordan. If you want to win now, don't. 980167[/snapback] when they learn a new system...and basically start from scratch IE: NFL...that's what "molding" a new RB is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Killah Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 I drafted him 5.3 in my league and he looks great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 (edited) I drafted him 5.3 in my league and he looks great 980425[/snapback] I don't even understand how he escapes round 3 Edited September 10, 2005 by Avernus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 I don't even understand how he escapes round 3 980433[/snapback] Because most people consider him a high Tier 3 back, along the lines of Barlow. And, unlike Barlow, he's never played a significant amount of time as a featured back. Why gamble on someone like him with one's 3rd-round pick, when someone like Reggie Wayne might be available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Because most people consider him a high Tier 3 back, along the lines of Barlow. And, unlike Barlow, he's never played a significant amount of time as a featured back. Why gamble on someone like him with one's 3rd-round pick, when someone like Reggie Wayne might be available? 980437[/snapback] because Wayne doesn't touch the ball 20+ times a game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 because Wayne doesn't touch the ball 20+ times a game? 980440[/snapback] Most scoring systems don't take into account touches. And I think it's a stretch that Jordan will amass as many total yds or score as many TDs as Wayne. I can understand someone taking Jordan as a #2 RB in the third. But if we're talking about a 10- or 12- team league with standard performance scoring and I've already drafted RB and WR, I'd take Wayne over Jordan in a heartbeat for two reasons: (1) Wayne is proven talent. Jordan isn't. (2) Wayne plays in a system that ensures he'll amass over 1,000 yds and double-digit TDs. Jordan plays on a team that will be forced to abandon the run in the 4th quarters of most games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice717 Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 (edited) Yet Jordan is playing on what is suppose to be one of the most explosive offenses in the league along with Norv Turner who if you remember was the OC in Miami when Ricky ran amuck. Yeah I'd take Jordan as my #2 Rb any day of the week. And I guess Jordan's 4.9 yrds a carry for a career is mediocre also. Yep Wayne or Jordan I'd take Jordan. And if you put Jordan in the same league as Barlow you're an idiot. Edited September 10, 2005 by Ice717 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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