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Any conspiracy that doesn't address the Bush and bin Laden familes' ties to the holocaust is whack.

 

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They didn't mention how Major League Baseball and the 5 jew bankers who control all the world's money were involved. Everyone knows they were key to the plot to fake the moon landings.

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Good stuff. There's no way that burnng jet fuel caused the collapse of the Twin Towers. It's physically impossible. That was established long before I saw this video.

 

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I'm so sick of these Trade Center theories. I guess One Eyed Jack is more informed on the subject than Civic Engineers. :D

 

Burning jet fuel coupled with the massive structural damage to the perimeter columns caused the collapse. While the fuel itself wasn't hot enough to cause the collapse it certainly weakened the steel structures. In addition since the planes took off so close to impact, they were full of fuel. Buildings have safeguards to prevent fire damage but they were not designed to handle the prolonged exposure to the insane heat of burning jet fuel, especially in the quantity that was present during the disaster. In addition the stiffness of the steel drops and deflection increases. (deflection is a term to describe the degree to which a construction or structural element bends under a load)

 

Eventually, the loss of strength and stiffness of the materials resulting from the fire, combined with the initial impact damage, would have caused a failure of the truss system supporting a floor, or the remaining perimeter columns, or even the internal core, or some combination. Failure of the flooring system would have subsequently allowed the perimeter columns to buckle outwards. Regardless of which of these possibilities actually occurred, it would have resulted in the complete collapse of at least one complete storey at the level of impact.

 

Once one storey collapsed all floors above would have begun to fall. The huge mass of falling structure would gain momentum, crushing the structurally intact floors below, resulting in catastrophic failure of the entire structure. While the columns at say level 50 were designed to carry the static load of 50 floors above, once one floor collapsed and the floors above started to fall, the dynamic load of 50 storeys above is very much greater, and the columns were almost instantly destroyed as each floor progressively "pancaked" to the ground.

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Good stuff. There's no way that burnng jet fuel caused the collapse of the Twin Towers. It's physically impossible. That was established long before I saw this video.

 

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How about crashing a jet into the bulding? How fast does one of those fly & how much does it weigh? Now slam one into the side of a bulding & see how long it takes before the building gives way. Personally I'm surprised, and glad, the held as long as they did.

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Tim Wilkinson, Lecturer in Civil Engineering :D

 

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He also got "stories" spelled wrong.

 

 

My brother also believe that bombs were dentonated to cause the collapse in some odd conspiracy theory. :D Can't convince him that it bascally happened that way (along with the impact caused the fire-retardant coating on the beams to dislodge, thus making them more prone to the heat.

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He also got "stories" spelled wrong.

My brother also believe that bombs were dentonated to cause the collapse in some odd conspiracy theory. :D  Can't convince him that it bascally happened that way (along with the impact caused the fire-retardant coating on the beams to dislodge, thus making them more prone to the heat.

 

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IMO phsics are physics, math doesn't lie. Conspiracy theories cannot be proved or disproved so I don't bother paying much attention to them.

 

EDIT: (US readers note: storey is the Australian/English spelling of story)

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"It's a well known fact that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentaveret, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows."

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what does it matter?  terrorists brought down the towers ... that is all that matters.  i don't care if it was planes or bombs, i want osama in custody!

 

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Yeah. Me too. It didn't take this long to defeat all of Japan and Germany and bury Hitler in a bunker. huh???

 

"It's a well known fact that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentaveret, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows."

 

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... And Colonel Sanders, before he went teets up!

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what does it matter?  terrorists brought down the towers ... that is all that matters.  i don't care if it was planes or bombs, i want osama in custody!

 

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Yer just another Bush hater. Whats yer plan? Its hard werk!

 

I cant hear you! LLAALALALALALAALLALALALA!

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easy there pinky

 

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Isnt this sort of tripe what you were saying on this very board not 6 months ago? Or something similarly ridiculous? Oh wait, I think your conspiracy was that the federal gobment shot down the plane over Pennsylvania. You dont think that is as nutty as this video?

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... And Colonel Sanders, before he went teets up!

 

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"The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, and Colonel Sanders before he went teets up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee beady eye! And that smug look on his face, 'Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!'"

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I'm so sick of these Trade Center theories. I guess One Eyed Jack is more informed on the subject than Civic Engineers. :D

 

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Oh, neat, you can copy and paste. Let me try:

 

The following letter was sent today by Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Underwriters Laboratories is the company that certified the steel componets used in the constuction of the World Trade Center towers. The information in this letter is of great importance.

 

Dr. Gayle,

 

Having recently reviewed your team's report of 10/19/04, I felt the need to contact you directly.

 

As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year. I'm aware of UL's attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel.

 

There continues to be a number of "experts" making public claims about how the WTC buildings fell. One such person, Dr. Hyman Brown from the WTC construction crew, claims that the buildings collapsed due to fires at 2000F melting the steel (1). He states "What caused the building to collapse is the airplane fuel…burning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The steel in that five-floor area melts." Additionally, the newspaper that quotes him says "Just-released preliminary findings from a National Institute of Standards and Technology study of the World Trade Center collapse support Brown’s theory."

 

We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all.

 

The results of your recently published metallurgical tests seem to clear things up (3), and support your team's August 2003 update as detailed by the Associated Press (4), in which you were ready to "rule out weak steel as a contributing factor in the collapse." The evaluation of paint deformation and spheroidization seem very straightforward, and you noted that the samples available were adequate for the investigation. Your comments suggest that the steel was probably exposed to temperatures of only about 500F (250C), which is what one might expect from a thermodynamic analysis of the situation.

 

However the summary of the new NIST report seems to ignore your findings, as it suggests that these low temperatures caused exposed bits of the building’s steel core to "soften and buckle." (5) Additionally this summary states that the perimeter columns softened, yet your findings make clear that "most perimeter panels (157 of 160) saw no temperature above 250C." To soften steel for the purposes of forging, normally temperatures need to be above1100C (6). However, this new summary report suggests that much lower temperatures were be able to not only soften the steel in a matter of minutes, but lead to rapid structural collapse.

 

This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I’m sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans. Alternatively, the contention that this steel did fail at temperatures around 250C suggests that the majority of deaths on 9/11 were due to a safety-related failure. That suggestion should be of great concern to my company.

 

There is no question that the events of 9/11 are the emotional driving force behind the War on Terror. And the issue of the WTC collapse is at the crux of the story of 9/11. My feeling is that your metallurgical tests are at the crux of the crux of the crux. Either you can make sense of what really happened to those buildings, and communicate this quickly, or we all face the same destruction and despair that come from global decisions based on disinformation and “chatter”.

 

Thanks for your efforts to determine what happened on that day. You may know that there are a number of other current and former government employees that have risked a great deal to help us to know the truth. I've copied one of these people on this message as a sign of respect and support. I believe your work could also be a nucleus of fact around which the truth, and thereby global peace and justice, can grow again. Please do what you can to quickly eliminate the confusion regarding the ability of jet fuel fires to soften or melt structural steel.

 

1. http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/102104/coverstory.html 2. CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 61st edition, pg D-187 3. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/P3MechanicalandM...ysisofSteel.pdf 4. http://www.voicesofsept11.org/archive/911ic/082703.php 5. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACWTCStatusFINAL101904WEB2.pdf (pg 11) 6. http://www.forging.org/FIERF/pdf/ffaaMacSleyne.pdf

 

Kevin Ryan

 

Site Manager Environmental Health Laboratories A Division of Underwriters Laboratories

 

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