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People love OJ and they think he killed his wife.

 

No seriously. He's still young enough to be an elite NFL player that changed the game forever. We still haven't heard any new evidence against Vick. The indictment is, continually being said by everyone that goes on ESPN, easy to get.

 

I just posted the indictment. He is toasty.

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People love OJ and they think he killed his wife.

 

:D

 

No seriously. He's still young enough to be an elite NFL player that changed the game forever.

 

:D

 

You just never learn, do you?

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People love OJ and they think he killed his wife.

 

:D

 

What people love OJ?

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:D

 

... Failure to report these crimes and allow them to continue can range from criminal charges to forfeiture of the property in a civil arena, known as a facilitating property (assuming they can bring appropriate laws, know as SUAs or Specified Unlawful Acts, that apply to forfeiture, which could ALSO result in other liquid assets being seized/forfeited as well from the proceeds of these activities)...

 

...Vick keeps trying to use the “plausible deniability” defense (not a real legal term). Saying “I didn’t know” and “they took advantage of my generosity” is not going to be good enough...

 

...Now, if organized gambling on the property occurred, or was resultant of activity that occurred on his property, with one or more co-conspirators, you are potentially looking at RICO (organized crime) violations as well as money laundering of any proceeds derived from the illegal activity.

 

I can’t tell you if he will do jail time, I think he very likely will. I think he is in BIG trouble, and not JUST because of the dog fighting. It is all the other violations that are more serious that can be heaped onto this situation that will take him down.

 

If you don’t know he is “guilty” of something at this point, you are being disingenuous and naive.

 

The above quote is part of what I said in the last "Big Vick Thread". Pretty good, huh? :clap:

 

The USDA and other federal agencies will now be sifting through all aspects of his life. The dogfighting investigation easily could grow into examinations of his income, taxes and other holdings. If they find sufficient evidence, the federal agencies will submit it to the U.S. Department of Justice and then, possibly, to a grand jury for indictment.

 

These charges are only the beginning! Once you get the financial agents involved, it will get VERY UGLY! :doh: There will be a lis pendens filed on the property and he will not be able to sell it. The organized gambling (RICO) and or money charges he may face will make the dog fighting part of this case look like a traffic ticket!

 

After reading the linked articles as to what we know, and knowing how the system works, whatever is sealed in the search warrant at this point has got to be heavy weight! Racateering and interstate gambling charges are a distinct possibility!

 

With civil and criminal penalties, this scumbag could lose everything as he knows it... maybe even his virginity! :clap::tup::clap::D:D:clap:

 

It couldn't happen to a nicer, more deserving, more exciting, piece of sh!t :D

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Quick! Everyone order your Ookie Falcons spamshirts while you still can!

 

 

BTW, "Bad Newz Kennels" may have to be my new team name this season.

Edited by budlitebrad

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In a related event, Roger Goodell announced that next week he and Mike Vick were going to be having the "most exciting" meeting in the NFL!!

 

I did not.

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:D

 

I was always a fan of "Conjunction Junction" myself...

I'm a bill

Just a bill

And I'm sittin' here on Cap-i-tol Hill

Oh I hope and I pray

To be a law some day

But up until then I'm just a lonely ol' bill

 

(or something like that)

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Falcons | Details of Vick's indictment

Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:59:04 -0700

 

ESPN.com reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick has been indicted for conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. If Vick is found guilty on the traveling part of the indictment, he could face up to five years in prison, pay a $250,000 fine and full restitution. If he is found guilty on the animal fighting venture part of the indictment, he could face up to a year in prison, pay a $100,000 fine, or both. Vick would also have to forfeit anything he gained from the proceeds of the dog fights.

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In or about March of 2003, PEACE, after consulting with VICK about the losing female pit bull's condition, executed the losing dog by wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting the animal.

 

Nice.

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People that think the Falcons won't simply cut ties with Vick over this are short sighted. The Falcons are a pretty "clean" organization and may choose to take the financial hit rather than the PR hit, and the distraction that this will cause the team this season.

 

That being said, Arthur Blank is probably the only person capable of keeping Vick off the playing field this season. The Commish will likely let it play out without punishment until the legal system is done with Vick.

 

I'm not so sure Blank won't decide to end this thing and move on since Vick has been indicted.

Edited by rattsass

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Check out page 17, no. 83 ...

 

 

I read that...there was another one that looked even worse, lemme see if i can find it again.

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From ESPN.com for those who can't read the PDF:

 

Fights would end when one dog died or with the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method, according to the documents.

 

BTW, "some other method" means slamming the dog to the ground.

Edited by budlitebrad

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Page 12, number 53.

 

Thats the one Brad highlighted. But the one I cited said Vick was actually involved in the killing ...

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Vick Indictment:

 

http://alt.cimedia.com/ajc/pdf/vick0717.pdf

 

Wow. This is out of control bad ...

Points of interst -

Page 4- #6

How did they get all the info from 2002? Dahamn

Purses are quite small for a player of Vick's wealth

All of the opponents are "unknown to jury"

Page 11 - #47 Big witness. Better be credible.

Page 12 - #52 A dog fighter. Jailed. Deal.

Page 14- #66 Third witness. Dog fighter.

Purses remain extremely small.

Page 16 - #68 Vick's name yelled. Fall of 2003. NFL season?

Times of fights - "Late 2003" NFL season? Vick there? Knew?

Page 17 - #84 - Vick possessed items? Named for all things that happened. Not much on placing him there.

Page 18 - #84 - Equipment ceased at the property doesn't scream dog fighting. (rape stand, parting stick, treadmills)

Vick must have a lot of frequent flyer miles.

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From PFT:

 

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

 

POSTED 5:29 p.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 6:38 p.m. EDT, July 17, 2007

 

VICK IS INDICTED

 

Falcons quarterback Mike Vick has been indicted on multiple charges by a federal grand jury in Virginia.

 

The charges are, per ESPN.com (which not long ago declared Vick was unlikely to be indicted), "conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in animal fighting venture."

 

Three others were indicted as well -- Purnell Peace, Quanis Phillips and Tony Taylor. Phillips' name appeared as a contact person on Vick's K-9 Kennels web site.

 

The indictment is available on the web site of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. A press release regarding the charges is available here.

 

There is only one count, for now -- conspiracy. In order to be guilty of conspiracy, the government doesn't have to prove that the defendants committed the underlying illegal acts, but only that they intended to do so, and that they accomplished one or more overt acts in order to reach their goals.

 

Under Title 18, Section 371 of the U.S. Code, the penalty for conspiracy is up to five years in prison. If, however, the underlying crime is a misdemeanor, the punishment for conspiracy may not exceed the maximum sentence for the misdemeanor offense.

 

The indictment alleges at paragraph 1 that Peace (a/k/a "P-Funk"), Phillips (a/k/a "Q"), Taylor (a/k/a "T"), and Vick (a/k/a "Ookie" -- we're not kidding) conspired to: (1) travel in interstate commerce and use the mail or any facility in interstate commerce to promote, manage, etc. a business enterprise involving gambling; (2) knowingly sponsor an animal moved in interstate commerce in an animal fighting venture; (3) knowingly transport a dog for the purposes of having the dog participate in an animal fighting venture.

 

The allegation regarding the use of interstate commerce to promote a business enterprise involving gambling is key. Under Title 18 of the U.S. Code, Section 1952, which is titled "Interstate or foreign trade or travel in aid of racketeering enterprises," the maximum penalty is 20 years behind bars. At the time the events transpired, dog fighting was only a misdemeanor. Absent the gambling/racketeering angle, then, Vick would not be facing up to five years, but only the misdemeanor sentence for dog fighting.

 

Here are some highlights from the 18-page indictment. All of the following statements are based on allegations contained in the document.

 

The indictment identifies four "cooperating witnesses," without naming them. As we previously explained, the detail contained in the federal complaint filed earlier this month indicated that someone was spilling the beans as to the specifics of the operation. As it turns out, there are at least four such someones.

 

The conspiracy began in early 2001 and continued through April 25, 2007, the day on which Vick's Surry County, Virginia property was first searched by local authorities.

 

In May 2001, Taylor identified the property on Moonlight Road in Surry County as a suitable location for housing and training pit bull terriers for fighting. Thereafter, Vick and the others purchased approximately 26 dogs from locations inside and outside of Virginia.

 

The "Bad Newz Kennels" were established by Vick and the others in early 2002, and at one point the group obtained shirts and headbands representing their affiliation with "Bad Newz Kennels." The Vick property on Moonlight Road in Surry County thereafter became the location of the venture.

 

"Testing" of the dogs began in February 2002. One of the dogs did not fight very well. It was shot to death with a .22 caliber pistol.

 

Additional dogs that did not perform well in "testing" sessions were executed in the summer of 2002, with three shot and one electrocuted.

 

Fighting also began in 2002, with a trip to North Carolina. Vick's Surry County property hosted its first dog fight in late 2002.

 

The process continued, with purses as high as $20,000.

 

In March 2003, Peace allegedly electrocuted a female pit bull that had lost a fight after consulting on the matter with Vick. Peace shot another losing dog that same month.

 

The most graphic misconduct allegedly occurred not long before the first search of the property. According to paragraph 83 of the indictment, Vick, Peace, and Phillips executed in April 2007 approximately eight dogs that did not perform well in "testing" sessions, by "hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

 

In other words, in the same month in which Vick declared that he never goes to his Surry County property, and the same month in which he sat face-to-face with the Commissioner, Vick had (according to the indictment) participated in the killing of as many as eight dogs deemed unfit for fighting.

 

So what next? After digesting this information, the NFL and the Falcons will have some tough decisions to make. And we think that both organizations will soon be facing strenuous pressure from animal rights groups to take swift and decisive action against Mr. Vick.

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Also how do they know the conversations of Vick and Peace if niether has been arrested? Phone taps?

 

'After consulting Vick on the fighting of one dog, Peace killed it'

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If this was your first post, you could not have timed it any better!

 

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obvious alias :D

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Points of interst -

Page 4- #6

How did they get all the info from 2002? Dahamn

Purses are quite small for a player of Vick's wealth

All of the opponents are "unknown to jury"

Page 11 - #47 Big witness. Better be credible.

Page 12 - #52 A dog fighter. Jailed. Deal.

Page 14- #66 Third witness. Dog fighter.

Purses remain extremely small.

Page 16 - #68 Vick's name yelled. Fall of 2003. NFL season?

Times of fights - "Late 2003" NFL season? Vick there? Knew?

Page 17 - #84 - Vick possessed items? Named for all things that happened. Not much on placing him there.

Page 18 - #84 - Equipment ceased at the property doesn't scream dog fighting. (rape stand, parting stick, treadmills)

Vick must have a lot of frequent flyer miles.

Most important bolded.

Shadowed guy on ESPN says the fight in 2000. Says Vick was betting with everyone. Anyone see that in the indictment?

Edited by broncosn05

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You think the Falcons are upset they lost Schaub? :D Seriously, what does this do to any Falcon players fantasy wise? Will this have any major affect on they or will this not even be a factor this year?

Edited by BigTen

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Shadowed guy on ESPN says the fight in 2000. Says Vick was betting with everyone. Anyone see that in the indictment?

 

 

Wow, maybe you should defend Vick. You've continually shown your blind passion for him. You bring up good points on 3-4 items, but thats an 18 page document and I don't think you're gonna be able to discredit them all, if thats even all of them. Where there is smoke......... :D

 

 

:D

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Shadowed guy on ESPN says the fight in 2000. Says Vick was betting with everyone. Anyone see that in the indictment?

 

 

A lot of info here...we probably won't know the extent of the actual evidence until he actually goes to trial.

 

Considering that these operations were reportedly going on almost from the moment that the property was bought in 2001 doesn't look very promising for him though. He stated that he "rarely went to the property," but even if he only went of rare occassions, it's hard to believe that he wouldn't have known something was going on. That's a long period of time to claim to be unaware.

With 54 pit bulls and buried car axles with chains, rape stands, bloody furniture, pry bars, etc. etc. it seems rather hard to beleive...

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