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Yes, it would seem the decesion was made before this post, however, he did provide his point system to back his iron wrought decision. Peyton Manning at #1. Now, go forth and conquer young man.....to the victor.....the spoils.

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I'm more interested out of curiosity. It may well show that given the limit of 2 QBs and 2 RBs (no mention of flex there) and the unique scoring system that the top scoring QB is the #1 value pick. Of course, I think Manning has only been the top scoring QB in most systems once in the last 4-5 years. Culpepper outscored him in most leagues the year Manning had the 49 TDs. The posted top 25 overalls don't indicate that QB is the top value, but, you never know.

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Your league is no better or no worse than ours. My only point is that is some leagues, taking a QB at #1 should be considered.

 

Yes, a Bush league, if you run 2 QB's in a league it's rather amatuerish and IMO signifies inability to properly function in a traditionaly FF league. To each his own.....enjoy your 2 starting QB league. Now give the man the top 24 RB's and QB's of your minor league operation-that is all, carry on.

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Yes, a Bush league, if you run 2 QB's in a league it's rather amatuerish and IMO signifies inability to properly function in a traditionaly FF league. To each his own.....enjoy your 2 starting QB league. Now give the man the top 24 RB's and QB's of your minor league operation-that is all, carry on.

 

 

I see no need to be critical of our league structure. Starting 2 QB's is not much diifferent than starting 2 RB's. 50% of the RB'sin the NFL are involved in a RBBC. For those teams that don't use a RBBc, the full back is basicaly worthless from a fantasy perspective. I don't know many NFL teams that use a QBBC sytem.

 

I will post the stats on Monday. i do not have acces to them untl then

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Yes, a Bush league, if you run 2 QB's in a league it's rather amatuerish and IMO signifies inability to properly function in a traditionaly FF league. To each his own.....enjoy your 2 starting QB league. Now give the man the top 24 RB's and QB's of your minor league operation-that is all, carry on.

Actually, I've been in some leagues that started 2 QBs and thought it quite interesting. I don't like the 6 pts for passing element but he has a fine point about the 2RBs being just as odd as 2 QBs. Even in RBBC, the vast majority of formations run by teams assume that there is one guy who is going to get the vast majority of the carries. You might have 2 guys back there, but one is pretty much a blocker.

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Here are the top scorers from 2006

 

Player FPTS

Tomlinson, LaDa 267

Manning, Peyton QB 248

Brees, Drew QB NO  196

Jackson, Steven RB STL 189

Palmer, Carson QB CIN 186

Johnson, Larry RB KC  183

Vick, Michael QB ATL  180

Bulger, Marc QB STL  164

Kitna, Jon QB DET  156

Brady, Tom QB NE  148

Manning, Eli QB NYG 144

Parker, Willie RB PIT  141

Grossman, Rex QB CHI 138

Rivers, Philip QB SD 134

Favre, Brett QB GB  132

Gore, Frank RB SF 123

McNabb, Donovan 120

 

In our league QB's rule. You can not wait to get a QB to pick #24

 

I think there is something fundamentally wrong when, considering their seasons, Eli and Grossman outscore Gore by 21 and 15 respectively. When you actually consider watching them all play, even people who have no clue what fantasy football is would say Gore must have outscored Eli or Rex. He had 9 games over 100, 8 over 125. 3 over 150! and he put up 212 on SEA. Thats a season for the ages and he got outscored by Eli and Rex?

 

For the definition of bushleague...re-read the previous paragraph.

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your arrogance makes you look like a fool

It's not arrogance if you're always right....

 

I'll continue with my player comparisons for before...

 

Grossman only had 1 game over 300 and actually had 7 games under 200. Let's not forget the 2 games he threw for 33 and 34 yds, wow I want him. He had 1 game with 6 turnovers, and 2 more with 4. He threw interceptions like parade candy. 1 game with 4 INTs and 4 games with 3 INTs. Now unless he gets points because his team has an incredible DST, how can he outscore Gore? And don't tell me because QBs get 6 for this and 6 for that, I mean, how can you ALLOW that to happen?

 

Eli obviously gets 6 pts per half because his last name is Manning. He had 1 300 yds game but 9 games under 200!. He had 24 TDs but 27 turnovers. I'm glad to see Eli outscored Rex, albeit only by 6 pts, but how can you have a scoring system in which mediocre QBs, still out-produce a top 5 RBs?

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I miss the days when there were idiots in my league and 3 to 5 QBs were taken in the first 2 rounds.

 

You can change the QB scoring as much as you want but the relative scoring between the QBs will not change much. So what you have the player in the leauge that scores the most points ... he'll be the only guy on your roster performing, presuming of course that the rest of your league understands the relative value of players.

 

Of course if everybody in your league drafts like a 3rd grader you may do fine.

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You asked for it

 

2006 2005 2004

Manning, Peyton QB IND  248 Palmer, Carson QB CIN  218 Manning, Peyton QB IND  339

Brees, Drew QB NO  196 Manning, Peyton QB IND  186 Culpepper, Daunte QB   297

Palmer, Carson QB CIN  186 Brady, Tom QB NE  180 McNabb, Donovan QB PHI  222

Vick, Michael QB ATL 180 Manning, Eli QB NYG  170 Green, Trent QB MIA  209

Bulger, Marc QB STL  164 Bledsoe, Drew QB DAL 152 Delhomme, Jake QB CAR  202

Kitna, Jon QB DET  156 Hasselbeck, Matt QB SEA  150 Favre, Brett QB GB  202

Brady, Tom QB NE  148 Brees, Drew QB NO  150 Plummer, Jake QB TB 186

Manning, Eli QB NYG  144 Delhomme, Jake QB CAR  150 Brady, Tom QB NE  186

Grossman, Rex QB CHI  138 Collins, Kerry QB TEN  144 Brees, Drew QB NO  174

Rivers, Philip QB SD  134 Favre, Brett QB GB  142 Brooks, Aaron QB OAK 170

Favre, Brett QB GB  132 Brunell, Mark QB WAS 140 Bulger, Marc QB STL  164

Losman, J.P. QB BUF  120 Vick, Michael QB ATL 128 Vick, Michael QB ATL 150

Roethlisberger, Ben   120 Plummer, Jake QB TB 122 Hasselbeck, Matt QB SEA  142

McNabb, Donovan QB PHI  120 Green, Trent QB MIA  122 Collins, Kerry QB TEN  126

 

 

2006 2005 2004

Tomlinson, LaDainian 267 Johnson, Larry RB KC  195 Alexander, Shaun RB 189

Jackson, Steven RB 189 Tomlinson, LaDainian 183 Martin, Curtis RB NYJ 153

Johnson, Larry RB KC  183 Alexander, Shaun RB 154 Tomlinson, LaDainian RB 153

Parker, Willie RB PIT  141 Barber, Tiki RB NYG 137 Dillon, Corey RB NE 149

Gore, Frank RB SF  123 James, Edgerrin RB 129 Barber, Tiki RB NYG 135

Johnson, Rudi RB CIN  117 Portis, Clinton RB 119 Williams, Domanick RB 120

Westbrook, Brian RB PHI  102 Johnson, Rudi RB CIN  117 Johnson, Rudi RB CIN  117

Barber, Tiki RB NYG 99 Jones, Thomas RB NYJ  99 McGahee, Willis RB BAL  114

Barber, Marion RB DAL  96 Dillon, Corey RB NE 78 James, Edgerrin RB ARI  101

Jones-Drew, Maurice 90 Anderson, Mike RB 78 Portis, Clinton RB WAS  93

Lewis, Jamal RB CLE  90 Davis, Stephen RB 72 Green, Ahman RB HOU  90

Henry, Travis RB DEN  80 Williams, Cadillac 72 Holmes, Priest RB KC  90

Dillon, Corey RB NE 78 Dunn, Warrick RB ATL  69 Bettis, Jerome RB PIT 84

Jones, Thomas RB NYJ  72

Taylor, Fred RB JAC 72

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You asked for it

 

2006 2005 2004

Manning, Peyton QB IND  248 Palmer, Carson QB CIN  218 Manning, Peyton QB IND  339

Brees, Drew QB NO  196 Manning, Peyton QB IND  186 Culpepper, Daunte QB   297

Palmer, Carson QB CIN  186 Brady, Tom QB NE  180 McNabb, Donovan QB PHI  222

Vick, Michael QB ATL 180 Manning, Eli QB NYG  170 Green, Trent QB MIA  209

Bulger, Marc QB STL  164 Bledsoe, Drew QB DAL 152 Delhomme, Jake QB CAR  202

Kitna, Jon QB DET  156 Hasselbeck, Matt QB SEA  150 Favre, Brett QB GB  202

Brady, Tom QB NE  148 Brees, Drew QB NO  150 Plummer, Jake QB TB 186

Manning, Eli QB NYG  144 Delhomme, Jake QB CAR  150 Brady, Tom QB NE  186

Grossman, Rex QB CHI  138 Collins, Kerry QB TEN  144 Brees, Drew QB NO  174

Rivers, Philip QB SD  134 Favre, Brett QB GB  142 Brooks, Aaron QB OAK 170

Favre, Brett QB GB  132 Brunell, Mark QB WAS 140 Bulger, Marc QB STL  164

Losman, J.P. QB BUF  120 Vick, Michael QB ATL 128 Vick, Michael QB ATL 150

Roethlisberger, Ben   120 Plummer, Jake QB TB 122 Hasselbeck, Matt QB SEA  142

McNabb, Donovan QB PHI  120 Green, Trent QB MIA  122 Collins, Kerry QB TEN  126

 

 

2006 2005 2004

Tomlinson, LaDainian 267 Johnson, Larry RB KC  195 Alexander, Shaun RB 189

Jackson, Steven RB 189 Tomlinson, LaDainian 183 Martin, Curtis RB NYJ 153

Johnson, Larry RB KC  183 Alexander, Shaun RB 154 Tomlinson, LaDainian RB 153

Parker, Willie RB PIT  141 Barber, Tiki RB NYG 137 Dillon, Corey RB NE 149

Gore, Frank RB SF  123 James, Edgerrin RB 129 Barber, Tiki RB NYG 135

Johnson, Rudi RB CIN  117 Portis, Clinton RB 119 Williams, Domanick RB 120

Westbrook, Brian RB PHI  102 Johnson, Rudi RB CIN  117 Johnson, Rudi RB CIN  117

Barber, Tiki RB NYG 99 Jones, Thomas RB NYJ  99 McGahee, Willis RB BAL  114

Barber, Marion RB DAL  96 Dillon, Corey RB NE 78 James, Edgerrin RB ARI  101

Jones-Drew, Maurice 90 Anderson, Mike RB 78 Portis, Clinton RB WAS  93

Lewis, Jamal RB CLE  90 Davis, Stephen RB 72 Green, Ahman RB HOU  90

Henry, Travis RB DEN  80 Williams, Cadillac 72 Holmes, Priest RB KC  90

Dillon, Corey RB NE 78 Dunn, Warrick RB ATL  69 Bettis, Jerome RB PIT 84

Jones, Thomas RB NYJ  72

Taylor, Fred RB JAC 72

 

Is there a reason you won't go 24 deep at each position as asked?

 

Nevermind - even without doing that, it's plain to me that you screwed the pooch by taking Manning #1. That most of the rest of your league is making the same blunder also and doesn't understand value either, which allows you to make this mistake & still win the league, doesn't make your choice the correct one.

 

Manning looks like a reasonable mid-1st round pick.

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You are ignoring 2 things. The 339 points Manning put up in 2004 & the fact that there is no consistency as to who will be the top RB.

 

If you were in our league, you would be lucky to male the playoffs. If you can't see that there is a strong reason to taking Manning based on our line-up requirments and scoring sytem, you are an ignorant fool

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You asked for it

 

2006 2005 2004

Manning, Peyton QB IND 248 Palmer, Carson QB CIN 218 Manning, Peyton QB IND 339

Brees, Drew QB NO 196 Manning, Peyton QB IND 186 Culpepper, Daunte QB 297

Palmer, Carson QB CIN 186 Brady, Tom QB NE 180 McNabb, Donovan QB PHI 222

Vick, Michael QB ATL 180 Manning, Eli QB NYG 170 Green, Trent QB MIA 209

Bulger, Marc QB STL 164 Bledsoe, Drew QB DAL 152 Delhomme, Jake QB CAR 202

Kitna, Jon QB DET 156 Hasselbeck, Matt QB SEA 150 Favre, Brett QB GB 202

Brady, Tom QB NE 148 Brees, Drew QB NO 150 Plummer, Jake QB TB 186

Manning, Eli QB NYG 144 Delhomme, Jake QB CAR 150 Brady, Tom QB NE 186

Grossman, Rex QB CHI 138 Collins, Kerry QB TEN 144 Brees, Drew QB NO 174

Rivers, Philip QB SD 134 Favre, Brett QB GB 142 Brooks, Aaron QB OAK 170

Favre, Brett QB GB 132 Brunell, Mark QB WAS 140 Bulger, Marc QB STL 164

Losman, J.P. QB BUF 120 Vick, Michael QB ATL 128 Vick, Michael QB ATL 150

Roethlisberger, Ben 120 Plummer, Jake QB TB 122 Hasselbeck, Matt QB SEA 142

McNabb, Donovan QB PHI 120 Green, Trent QB MIA 122 Collins, Kerry QB TEN 126

 

 

2006 2005 2004

Tomlinson, LaDainian 267 Johnson, Larry RB KC 195 Alexander, Shaun RB 189

Jackson, Steven RB 189 Tomlinson, LaDainian 183 Martin, Curtis RB NYJ 153

Johnson, Larry RB KC 183 Alexander, Shaun RB 154 Tomlinson, LaDainian RB 153

Parker, Willie RB PIT 141 Barber, Tiki RB NYG 137 Dillon, Corey RB NE 149

Gore, Frank RB SF 123 James, Edgerrin RB 129 Barber, Tiki RB NYG 135

Johnson, Rudi RB CIN 117 Portis, Clinton RB 119 Williams, Domanick RB 120

Westbrook, Brian RB PHI 102 Johnson, Rudi RB CIN 117 Johnson, Rudi RB CIN 117

Barber, Tiki RB NYG 99 Jones, Thomas RB NYJ 99 McGahee, Willis RB BAL 114

Barber, Marion RB DAL 96 Dillon, Corey RB NE 78 James, Edgerrin RB ARI 101

Jones-Drew, Maurice 90 Anderson, Mike RB 78 Portis, Clinton RB WAS 93

Lewis, Jamal RB CLE 90 Davis, Stephen RB 72 Green, Ahman RB HOU 90

Henry, Travis RB DEN 80 Williams, Cadillac 72 Holmes, Priest RB KC 90

Dillon, Corey RB NE 78 Dunn, Warrick RB ATL 69 Bettis, Jerome RB PIT 84

Jones, Thomas RB NYJ 72

Taylor, Fred RB JAC 72

Well, the only year among the last three where the top QB compared to the 12-15th best QB was as severe (in terms of %) was 2004. So, based on what you showed us your strategy is flawed. As Bronco says, the fact that everyone else employs the same tactic saves you. However, that doesn't make your choice any better.

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You are ignoring 2 things. The 339 points Manning put up in 2004 & the fact that there is no consistency as to who will be the top RB.

 

If you were in our league, you would be lucky to male the playoffs. If you can't see that there is a strong reason to taking Manning based on our line-up requirments and scoring sytem, you are an ignorant fool

 

If I were in your league, you wouldn't be winning it. That you call me an ignorant fool despite the facts & your own posted scoring showing how wrong you are despite not understanding why shows that you are no more than an arrogant ass.

 

and :D at using a NFL record year as the standard for Manning's value as a QB. When you find yourself in a hole - stop digging. And you are in a hole, my friend.

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:NOD:

 

The only way you can be successful drafting Peyton Manning with the 1st overall pick is if the rest of the league over values QBs and drafts them too early allowing you to build out the rest of your team with good RBs and WRs.

 

Were I in your league I'd happily let you take Peyton Manning and I'd score on the top RBs and WRs. So you could have the top QB in the league with mediocre RBs and WRs ... while I have top notch RBs and WRs with mediocre QBs. The fall off from top QB to mediocre QBs is far far far less than the fall off from top postion players to mediocre position players.

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Throw out LT 2006 year and PM 2005 year totals as the were abnormal

 

Top QB average 233 top RB average 189 based on other two years

 

Your strategy Top RB 189 Pick #1

12-18 QB 90 #24

Total 279

 

 

my strategy Top QB 233 Pick #1

7 - 10 RB 104 #24

Total 337

 

This does not even take into account the consistency factor for Manning over LT

 

I will let you know if we have an opening in our league

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Throw out LT 2006 year and PM 2005 year totals as the were abnormal

 

Top QB average 233 top RB average 189 based on other two years

 

Your strategy Top RB 189 Pick #1

12-18 QB 90 #24

Total 279

my strategy Top QB 233 Pick #1

7 - 10 RB 104 #24

Total 337

 

This does not even take into account the consistency factor for Manning over LT

 

I will let you know if we have an opening in our league

 

:D

 

So when I get the top QB it is presumed that the best QB I can get is 12th?

But when you get the top QB the best RB you can get is 7th?

 

That is polluted logic.

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