unions suck

[TimC]

2 weeks..... I worked in industry for 4+ years. Air conditioned??? Yeah, I forgot, most machine shops and steel fab shops are air-conditioned....we opened the overhead door!

 

My point is there are alot of hard workers out there for less pay. For some reason in the past decade or so, teachers now feel we should worship them. They have an important job, but no more important than others. I personally wouldn't do it because parents are so crappy now compared to the past where they really cared about teaching their kids. But hey, if teachers want to put themselves up on a pedastal for all to see, who am I to dispute it?

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

Give 'em hell TimC. Everybody knows that within the world of debits and credits is where the really hard work lies.

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

My point is there are alot of hard workers out there for less pay. For some reason in the past decade or so, teachers now feel we should worship them. They have an important job, but no more important than others. I personally wouldn't do it because parents are so crappy now compared to the past where they really cared about teaching their kids. But hey, if teachers want to put themselves up on a pedastal for all to see, who am I to dispute it?

 

Sounds like they might need a union eh?

[TimC]

Give 'em hell TimC. Everybody knows that within the world of debits and credits is where the really hard work lies.

 

 

You gawd-danged right. Has a teacher ever gotten a paper cut updating an income statement? Hell no.

 

:raisesfist:

[Big Country]

You gawd-danged right. Has a teacher ever gotten a paper cut updating an income statement? Hell no.

 

:raisesfist:

 

But they have been shot for giving a kid a well earned D or F.

 

Then again, some get some teen hooha for raising that well earned D to a B (though, in that sense, I guess the student did "earn" the

[peteteacher2001]

You think babysitting a bunch of spoiled kids and following a text book is harder than other jobs in the workforce? Puh-lease. Try digging a ditch for 2 weeks. Try building a house for 2 weeks and see if the air-conditioned job you enjoy is still as difficult as you think.

 

I have been working since I was 11 years old. Bailing hay and straw, roofed for a few, framed houses, and was the foreman on an asphalt crew for 3 years. None of these were all at the same time of course. BUT, I earned my stripes. Ask if I have ever worked hard in my life before drawing conclusions and pointing fingers. AND I HAVE dug a ditch as well, it sucked!

 

I'd much rather deal with the heat and sweat of any of those jobs than deal with some of the problems that arise in my current profession. If you don't like what we do, fine, but don't insult me and call me a glorified babysitter. Fair enough?

[polksalet]

I have been working since I was 11 years old. Bailing hay and straw, roofed for a few, framed houses, and was the foreman on an asphalt crew for 3 years. None of these were all at the same time of course. BUT, I earned my stripes. Ask if I have ever worked hard in my life before drawing conclusions and pointing fingers. AND I HAVE dug a ditch as well, it sucked!

 

I'd much rather deal with the heat and sweat of any of those jobs than deal with some of the problems that arise in my current profession. If you don't like what we do, fine, but don't insult me and call me a glorified babysitter. Fair enough?

 

 

no

[Caveman_Nick]

I have been working since I was 11 years old. Bailing hay and straw, roofed for a few, framed houses, and was the foreman on an asphalt crew for 3 years. None of these were all at the same time of course. BUT, I earned my stripes. Ask if I have ever worked hard in my life before drawing conclusions and pointing fingers. AND I HAVE dug a ditch as well, it sucked!

 

I'd much rather deal with the heat and sweat of any of those jobs than deal with some of the problems that arise in my current profession. If you don't like what we do, fine, but don't insult me and call me a glorified babysitter. Fair enough?

 

In the immortal words of Seargant Hulka, Lighten up Francis.

 

 

Please do not take TimC Seriously. He listens to Hall and Oates, for Pete's sake.

[TimC]

I have been working since I was 11 years old. Bailing hay and straw, roofed for a few, framed houses, and was the foreman on an asphalt crew for 3 years. None of these were all at the same time of course. BUT, I earned my stripes. Ask if I have ever worked hard in my life before drawing conclusions and pointing fingers. AND I HAVE dug a ditch as well, it sucked!

 

I'd much rather deal with the heat and sweat of any of those jobs than deal with some of the problems that arise in my current profession. If you don't like what we do, fine, but don't insult me and call me a glorified babysitter. Fair enough?

 

What was the last original thought you had that didn't come out of a textbook?

 

Do you like John Oates mustache?

[Yukon Cornelius]

You think babysitting a bunch of spoiled kids and following a text book is harder than other jobs in the workforce? Puh-lease. Try digging a ditch for 2 weeks. Try building a house for 2 weeks and see if the air-conditioned job you enjoy is still as difficult as you think.

dun both... mindless work like accounting and paper shufflers but they get more than teachers....

 

in construction i made way more then teaching but i like being home and not working 15 hour days so i went to college... my choice i suppose i could have decided to steal money buy earning interest off of others money but that is a sin and you know me i cant sin .

[TimC]

Yuke has a minivan with a bumper sticker that says, "If you can read this, thank a teecher"

Edited September 25, 2007 by TimC

[AtomicCEO]

unions seriously hamper the auto industry's ability to compete.

 

I disagree.

 

Never have I looked at new cars and decided against the American car because of it's labor source, or because it's price was a few thousand dollars higher.

 

The auto industry's inability to compete has to do with it's product design. When I think of American cars worth a crap, I think of trucks and retreads of famous cars from the 70s.

[Yukon Cornelius]

Yuke has a minivan with a bumper sticker that says, "If you can read this, thank a teecher"

 

and its a escort....

 

and im with atomic i dont lay all the blame on the union for the american auto problems... those cazillion dollar ceo's didnt and dont have a clue....

[Egret]

You gawd-danged right. Has a teacher ever gotten a paper cut updating an income statement? Hell no.

 

:raisesfist:

I got spit on today. Twice. Is that good enough?

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

I got spit on today. Twice. Is that good enough?

 

And that was just from the principal.

[TimC]

I got spit on today. Twice. Is that good enough?

 

Jeebus...you win.

 

i've killed people for less. Especially if they're kids and have yet to contribute anything to the economy.

[westvirginia]

I get spit on by teachers every time I tell them my kids are home-schooled...

 

Well, I get dirty looks anyway...

[Yukon Cornelius]

I get spit on by teachers every time I tell them my kids are home-schooled...

 

Well, I get dirty looks anyway...

hay thats cool buy me a couple less trouble makers in class is always good

[evil_gop_liars]

Now there once was a union maid, she never was afraid

Of the goons and the ginks and the company finks and the deputy sheriffs who made the raid.

She went to the union hall where a meeting it was called,

And when the boys would come up to her

Oh this is what she'd say

 

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,

I'm sticking to the union, I'm sticking to the union.

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,

I'm sticking to the union 'til the day I die.

 

Now this union maid was wise to the tricks of company spies

She'd take the dare, she didn't care, she always organized the guys.

And she always got her way when she asked for better pay.

She showed her card to the National Guard

Honey this is what they'd say

 

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,

I'm sticking to the union, I'm sticking to the union.

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,

I'm sticking to the union 'til the day I die.

 

Now you girls who want to be free, just take a little tip from me;

Oh get you a man who's a union man and you can join the ladies' auxiliary.

Because married life ain't hard when you got a union card,

And a union life is a happy life when you got a union wife.

 

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,

I'm sticking to the union, I'm sticking to the union.

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,

I'm sticking to the union 'til the day I die.

[Coffeeman]

I disagree.

 

Never have I looked at new cars and decided against the American car because of it's labor source, or because it's price was a few thousand dollars higher.

 

The auto industry's inability to compete has to do with it's product design. When I think of American cars worth a crap, I think of trucks and retreads of famous cars from the 70s.

 

Sounds to me like both the unions and the product designers need to be given the heave-ho. Ah, but what if those designers are given very strict budget $ guidelines that totally tie their hands, based on a short-term focus on profits versus the long-term quality focus? Then maybe its the top leadership that needs a shakeout instead?

 

Uh-oh, sounds like we should just shut them all down, let the foreign carmakers build more plants here and buy all our (superior quality) cars from them. Decisons, decisions....

 

BTW, I think teachers should make more money but without a union, and without the 'tenure' (i.e. guaranteed employment until retirement gig) somehow. We need to get better, smarter people to choose that as a profession, but those people would require a better ROI for it - as they should....

[Ursa Majoris]

Now there once was a union maid, she never was afraid

Of the goons and the ginks and the company finks and the deputy sheriffs who made the raid.

She went to the union hall where a meeting it was called,

And when the boys would come up to her

Oh this is what she'd say

 

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,

I'm sticking to the union, I'm sticking to the union.

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,

I'm sticking to the union 'til the day I die.

 

Now this union maid was wise to the tricks of company spies

She'd take the dare, she didn't care, she always organized the guys.

And she always got her way when she asked for better pay.

She showed her card to the National Guard

Honey this is what they'd say

 

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,

I'm sticking to the union, I'm sticking to the union.

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,

I'm sticking to the union 'til the day I die.

 

Now you girls who want to be free, just take a little tip from me;

Oh get you a man who's a union man and you can join the ladies' auxiliary.

Because married life ain't hard when you got a union card,

And a union life is a happy life when you got a union wife.

 

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,

I'm sticking to the union, I'm sticking to the union.

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,

I'm sticking to the union 'til the day I die.

Strawbs rip off - here's the real one.

 

Now I'm a union man

Amazed at what I am

I say what I think

That the company stinks

Yes I'm a union man.

 

When we meet in the local hall

I'll be voting with them all

With a hell of a shout

It's out brothers out

And the rise of the factory's fall.

 

Oh you don't get me I'm part of the union

You don't get me I'm part of the union

You don't get me I'm part of the union

Till the day I die, till the day I die.

 

As a union man I'm wise

To the lies of the company spies

And I don't get fooled

By the factory rules

'Cause I always read between the lines.

 

And I always get my way

If I strike for higher pay

When I show my card

To the Scotland Yard

This is what I say.

 

Oh you don't get me I'm part of the union

You don't get me I'm part of the union

You don't get me I'm part of the union

Till the day I die, till the day I die.

 

Before the union did appear

My life was half as clear

Now I've got the power

To the working hour

And every other day of the year.

 

So though I'm a working man

I can ruin the government's plan

Though I'm not too hard

The sight of my card

Makes me some kind of superman.

 

Oh you don't get me I'm part of the union

You don't get me I'm part of the union

You don't get me I'm part of the union

Till the day I die, till the day I die.

[H8tank]

Those who can, do.

 

Those who can't, teach and whine about how hard their job is to strangers on a bbs.

 

Notice how 'hard' these so called teachers work? Yet every one of them is on here posting during the afternoon on a school day.

 

pwnd.

Edited September 25, 2007 by H8tank

[rocknrobn26]

Those who can, do.

 

Those who can't, teach and whine about how hard their job is to strangers on a bbs.

 

Notice how 'hard' these so called teachers work? Yet every one of them is on here posting during the afternoon on a school day.

 

pwnd.

 

Like all the white collar anti-union people that are here also?? I guess those 30 minute breaks every 40 minutes by UAW workers could apply to the corporate sector also.

I be Retired! And sticking up for my brethren! :oldrazz:

pwnd.

[Egret]

Those who can, do.

 

Those who can't, teach and whine about how hard their job is to strangers on a bbs.

 

Notice how 'hard' these so called teachers work? Yet every one of them is on here posting during the afternoon on a school day.

 

pwnd.

Lunch time and after school.

[billay]

I disagree.

 

Never have I looked at new cars and decided against the American car because of it's labor source, or because it's price was a few thousand dollars higher.

 

The auto industry's inability to compete has to do with it's product design. When I think of American cars worth a crap, I think of trucks and retreads of famous cars from the 70s.

I'm no expert, but from what I've read, the benefits that GM employees enjoy are, in large part, responisble for that company's inability to turn a profit. GM has been referred to as a health insurance provider that just happens to make cars. Don;t think it's bad? What did Daimer pay for Chrysler? 85 billion? What did they sell it for? 7 billion? You think they would take that kind of hit if the long term prognosis wasn;t bleak? GM pays for full benefits for more retired employees than they presently employ. I would say that as a whole, GM employees have it better than any other american labor (lower case "L") union out there. Now, in the midst of globalization, they want a guarantee that future GM cars will all be made in america, so they strike? It smacks of greed. Would they rather that GM goes under instead of them taking slightly less away from the table? Ford/GM took care of it's employees since it's inception. They're being sucked dry.

 

As for design and forward thinking, you're right. I'll never forget watching Lou Dobbs the day oil hit $70 a barrel for the first time in who knows, and the first commercial into the break was for GMC's newest, "biggest SUV ever." I vividly remember thinking, man, these guys are so far behind the curve, it's pathetic.

Edited September 26, 2007 by billay