Rumor......Favre considering comeback

[Chavez]

the trainwreck that is Tarvaris Jackson.

Jackson is OK. He's still got a bit of development ahead of him, but he appears physically capable to me. I think "trainwreck" is a bit strong.

[Outshined]

Because just because Favre may be inferior to Rodgers - again, highly debatable - he (or any other breathing QB this side of Ryan Leaf) is a damn sight better than the trainwreck that is Tarvaris Jackson.

 

Why do hate Tavaris Jackson?

[Bronco Billy]

Why do hate Tavaris Jackson?

 

I don't. I love tht MIN has devoted the future of its QB position to him.

[Bronco Billy]

Jackson is OK. He's still got a bit of development ahead of him, but he appears physically capable to me. I think "trainwreck" is a bit strong.

 

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were a MIN fan whistling while walking through the cemetary at midnight.

 

What, did you draft him on a couple of teams?

[Jackass]

Because just because Favre may be inferior to Rodgers - again, highly debatable - he (or any other breathing QB this side of Ryan Leaf) is a damn sight better than the trainwreck that is Tarvaris Jackson.

 

So he's better than Jackson. If they deal him to the vikes, they'll still be getting a very high (most likely) draft pick back and depleting one of their top rivals of a highly valuable resource.

[budlitebrad]

So if he is the GB starter this season, should we be concerned about the Madden Curse? ...Or is this whole media debacle already part of the curse?

[Chavez]

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were a MIN fan whistling while walking through the cemetary at midnight.

What? It's just too damn early to tell. I like his physical ability. He doesn't seem to be a moron with his head up his ass. I don't LOVE the guy but I don't think he's a trainwreck.

[rajncajn]

Funny thing, me & my boss came in to Green Bay on an earlier flight than another coworker. When we went back to pick him up we saw a crowd standing around the airport. So I roll down the window & asked if they were there to see Favre come in & sure enough it was. So we decided to hang around & watch. A few minutes later the plane rolls right up by the gate. Favre & his wife get off the plane amongst cheers from the cheeseheads, wave to the crowd a little & drive off in a cherry red Escolade.

 

It sure was funny listening to all the comments. It was even funnier listening to the comments about my Saints hat.

[piratesownninjas]

...and is anyone else curious why GB and/or Favre is getting "preferential" treatment by Goodell?

 

Hey commish, butt the f*ck out.

Because Goodell is a jackass that rules the league with emotion.

[Bill Swerski]

Rodgers earns a gold star for taking the high road, rather than holding out and demanding a trade.

[tazinib1]

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were a MIN fan whistling while walking through the cemetary at midnight.

 

What, did you draft him on a couple of teams?

I remember walking the cemetery at midnight. That was of course, Oregon Duck games...at McCarther Court....1/2 block from the Eugene city cemetery.

[LosGatosEnFuegos]

Everyone seems to have forgotten that whether he returns or not doesn't matter.

 

Even if he doesn't play he will trip over a garden hose and fall on a rake in his front yard.

[Outshined]

I don't. I love tht MIN has devoted the future of its QB position to him.

 

Jackson salary:

 

7/26/2006: Signed a four-year, $2.9 million contract. The deal included a $1.1 million signing bonus. 2008: $445,000, 2009: $530,000, 2010: Free Agent

 

As it shows how how much Jackson is making, I am not sure they devoted the future to Tavaris Jackson...yet. I am sure they will wait to see if he develops this year and maybe 09 before devoting the future to T-Jack.

[Outshined]

Source says Packers contact Vikings about trade for Favre

By BOB McGINN, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

 

Last update: August 3, 2008 - 10:46 PM

 

 

 

GREEN BAY, Wis. — The Green Bay Packers welcomed back quarterback Brett Favre from the reserve-retired list Sunday knowing full well that they've already taken the first step toward trading him to the Minnesota Vikings.

 

An executive in personnel for an NFL team with close ties to clubs in the NFC North Division told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that the Packers called the Vikings on Friday informing them that Favre was available.

 

"They've kind of said through one of their (front-office) guys that if Favre did report they would potentially trade him within the division," the executive said late Sunday afternoon.

 

The source said the conversation between officials from the two bitter rivals was brief. There was no discussion about possible compensation.

 

James "Bus" Cook, Favre's agent, has not been involved in talks with the Vikings regarding a possible restructuring of his contract, according to the source.

 

The contact by the Packers was termed "a feeler" in the event Favre rejected the multimillion-dollar marketing and promotional agreement offered by Green Bay.

 

"They thought he would agree to it," the executive said. "Evidently, he didn't agree to it."

 

The Vikings, according to the source, remain convinced that the Packers don't want Favre on their roster in 2008.

 

It appears more and more as if the Vikings are the only team in the NFC North with legitimate interest in Favre. On Thursday, top officials of the Detroit Lions said they wouldn't trade for him. In Chicago, coach Lovie Smith said he was happy with quarterbacks Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton.

 

"The Bears say they're not interested," the source said. "The Bears just kind of are what they are. I don't see him in Detroit, either. At least the Vikings' offense is what he's used to. Old dogs don't learn new tricks, especially in three weeks."

 

 

 

At midweek, several NFL personnel people theorized that if Favre were traded the compensation to the Packers would be in the range of second- and fifth-round draft choices.

 

The source scoffed at that suggestion, indicating that the Vikings might consider parting with a fourth- or fifth-round choice but nothing more. He said no NFL team had any reason to offer Green Bay more than that because of the possibility the Packers might release him a week before the opener.

 

If the Vikings make a move on Favre, the source said they wanted to do so much sooner than later to prepare him for the Sept. 8 season-opening game in Green Bay.

 

Is it possible that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who has yet to rule on the Packers' tampering charge against the Vikings, could play a role in ensuring that compensation coming to Green Bay would be more in keeping with Favre's stature?

 

"He has no right to do that," the source said. "He's already carried this thing out too far. It's kind of a joke."

 

The Vikings' starting quarterback is Tarvaris Jackson, a second-round pick in 2006 who started two games as a rookie and 12 last season. His record as a starter is 8-6.

 

One scout who saw the Minnesota-Kansas City scrimmage Friday night in River Falls said Jackson was sharp.

 

The Vikings' offensive coordinator, Darrell Bevell, was an assistant in Green Bay from 2000-'05 and Favre's position coach for the last three years.

 

Both the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New York Jets have been involved in trade talks for Favre, but Favre was quoted as having said he wanted to play for an NFC North team so he could play against the Packers.

 

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/...?page=1&c=y

Edited August 4, 2008 by Outshined

[Azazello1313]

best possbile outcome at this point. kudos to the people involved for making it happen.

 

winners:

the green bay packers

favre

the NFL

roger goodell

 

meanwhile, ted thompson got pwn3d and aaron rodgers probably goes home and kicks his dog tonight.

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

Source says Packers contact Vikings about trade for Favre

By BOB McGINN, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

 

Last update: August 3, 2008 - 10:46 PM

 

 

 

GREEN BAY, Wis. — The Green Bay Packers welcomed back quarterback Brett Favre from the reserve-retired list Sunday knowing full well that they've already taken the first step toward trading him to the Minnesota Vikings.

 

An executive in personnel for an NFL team with close ties to clubs in the NFC North Division told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that the Packers called the Vikings on Friday informing them that Favre was available.

 

"They've kind of said through one of their (front-office) guys that if Favre did report they would potentially trade him within the division," the executive said late Sunday afternoon.

 

The source said the conversation between officials from the two bitter rivals was brief. There was no discussion about possible compensation.

 

James "Bus" Cook, Favre's agent, has not been involved in talks with the Vikings regarding a possible restructuring of his contract, according to the source.

 

The contact by the Packers was termed "a feeler" in the event Favre rejected the multimillion-dollar marketing and promotional agreement offered by Green Bay.

 

"They thought he would agree to it," the executive said. "Evidently, he didn't agree to it."

 

The Vikings, according to the source, remain convinced that the Packers don't want Favre on their roster in 2008.

 

It appears more and more as if the Vikings are the only team in the NFC North with legitimate interest in Favre. On Thursday, top officials of the Detroit Lions said they wouldn't trade for him. In Chicago, coach Lovie Smith said he was happy with quarterbacks Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton.

 

"The Bears say they're not interested," the source said. "The Bears just kind of are what they are. I don't see him in Detroit, either. At least the Vikings' offense is what he's used to. Old dogs don't learn new tricks, especially in three weeks."

 

 

 

At midweek, several NFL personnel people theorized that if Favre were traded the compensation to the Packers would be in the range of second- and fifth-round draft choices.

 

The source scoffed at that suggestion, indicating that the Vikings might consider parting with a fourth- or fifth-round choice but nothing more. He said no NFL team had any reason to offer Green Bay more than that because of the possibility the Packers might release him a week before the opener.

 

If the Vikings make a move on Favre, the source said they wanted to do so much sooner than later to prepare him for the Sept. 8 season-opening game in Green Bay.

 

Is it possible that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who has yet to rule on the Packers' tampering charge against the Vikings, could play a role in ensuring that compensation coming to Green Bay would be more in keeping with Favre's stature?

 

"He has no right to do that," the source said. "He's already carried this thing out too far. It's kind of a joke."

 

The Vikings' starting quarterback is Tarvaris Jackson, a second-round pick in 2006 who started two games as a rookie and 12 last season. His record as a starter is 8-6.

 

One scout who saw the Minnesota-Kansas City scrimmage Friday night in River Falls said Jackson was sharp.

 

The Vikings' offensive coordinator, Darrell Bevell, was an assistant in Green Bay from 2000-'05 and Favre's position coach for the last three years.

 

Both the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New York Jets have been involved in trade talks for Favre, but Favre was quoted as having said he wanted to play for an NFC North team so he could play against the Packers.

 

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/...?page=1&c=y

 

 

The back and forth on this story is ridiculously good drama.

 

I'll enjoy it now while I can, but the luck of a Vikings fan means the team will give up way too much for him and he'll either get hurt right away or stink. That MNF game week one should be something if Favre suits up in a Vikings jersey though.

Edited August 4, 2008 by CaP'N GRuNGe

[Outshined]

 

The back and forth on this story is ridiculously good drama.

 

I'll enjoy it now while I can, but the luck of a Vikings fan means the team will give up way too much for him and he'll either get hurt right away or stink. That MNF game week one should be something if Favre suits up in a Vikings jersey though.

 

It would be weird....

[Swiss Cheezhead]

Here's the most recent story from the MJS:

 

Touchdown, Favre

After reinstatement, he may compete to start

By TOM SILVERSTEIN

tsilverstein@journalsentinel.com

Posted: Aug. 3, 2008

 

Green Bay - The ball is back in Brett Favre's hands, and the country is waiting to see what he does with it.

 

Almost six weeks to the day after Favre told Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy that he was seriously considering ending his retirement, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell announced that he was reinstating the legendary quarterback at noon today and ordered the Packers to make room for him on their 80-man roster.

 

And it appears not only will the Packers take Favre back, they will allow him to compete with Aaron Rodgers for the starting quarterback job. A source close to the Packers told the Journal Sentinel on Sunday afternoon that it was understood between both parties that Favre would have a chance to compete for a starting job.

 

Before that can happen, however, Favre must meet with McCarthy.

 

The Packers' coach wants to sit across from Favre and see if he really has the fire to play. Almost all of their conversations have been over the phone, and so McCarthy figures this will give him an opportunity to see whether Favre is serious about coming back and putting in the time it takes to be a starter.

 

Asked after the team's intrasquad scrimmage Sunday night if he was a hundred percent sure that Favre would be in uniform again for the Packers, McCarthy said:

 

"That's a great question. That's one of the topics of our conversation tomorrow. I think it's important for people to sit down face to face and answer all those type of questions. We'll do that tomorrow. I look forward to talking to him tomorrow night."

 

According to at least one of Favre's old teammates, he's serious about returning.

 

"He wants to play," cornerback Al Harris insisted.

 

If Favre is given the opportunity to compete for the job, it will be about as complete a turnaround as anyone could have predicted, given that general manager Ted Thompson and McCarthy have stated forcefully for several weeks that there would be no competition for the starting job. Over and over again, they said Rodgers was their man.

 

McCarthy declined to commit to there being a competition and continued to say Rodgers was his starter. But he said nothing was set in stone until he sat down with Favre.

 

"There's been indecision throughout Brett's path back here to Green Bay," McCarthy said. "It's important for us to sit down and communicate. That information will come out and will be used to move forward."

 

Favre wound up back in Green Bay Sunday after Goodell agreed to reinstate him. That followed intense negotiations between the Packers and his representatives on a marketing and promotions deal that would have paid Favre more than $20 million over a 10-year period upon his retirement. But negotiations broke down, and the Packers were forced to take Favre back.

 

"Obviously, it's a difficult situation," Packers President Mark Murphy said in an interview during the pregame broadcast of the intrasquad scrimmage. "He retired in March. The whole organization, we all moved forward with planning and every decision we made was based on a future without Brett.

 

"Now that he's back, it's really changed things."

It's unclear exactly why Thompson and McCarthy gave in and might allow Favre to compete for the spot, but there are several possible reasons:

 

• Goodell ordered them to, although a club source denied that was the case,

 

• The competition is a sham, and Rodgers will be given the job no matter how Favre performs,

 

• Once Favre shows he's back in shape and playing at a high level, he will be traded, possibly to an NFC North division rival,

 

• The two men think Rodgers will beat out Favre in the long run because Favre's not fully committed to coming back.

 

"We knew it was an eventuality (that he would show up)," Thompson said after doing all he could to get Favre to reconsider. "We're looking forward to seeing him and see how he's doing."

 

The twin-engine Beechcraft King Air 90 carrying Favre landed at Austin Straubel airport at 7:08 p.m. Sunday from Hattiesburg, Miss. At the airport, 200 or so cheering fans lined a fence outside the tarmac and greeted Favre, his wife, Deanna, and Favre's agent, James "Bus" Cook, some waving signs at the gray-bearded quarterback.

 

Favre's traveling party loaded into a Cadillac Escalade and was escorted from the airport by two sheriff's vehicles. Later that night, Favre and his wife were seen in their luxury box watching the scrimmage from high above the field where Favre made his name.

 

Tests to take

The first order of business for the Packers come noon today will be to give him a physical examination and run him through a conditioning test all players have to pass before they are placed on the 80-man active roster. The Packers do not have practice today and are scheduled to return to the field at 2 p.m. Tuesday.

 

After the physical and run test, McCarthy will meet with Favre and then his other quarterbacks - rookies Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn are the others - to inform them what direction he'll be taking in training camp.

 

Favre has yet to address reporters regarding the Packers' decision to allow him to compete for the starting job, but before he left he told reporter and close friend Al Jones of the Sun Herald in Mississippi that he has been through a lot the past month or so. He said the bottom line was that he wants to play football.

 

"My intentions have always been to play for Green Bay," he said. "Why wouldn't I want to play in Green Bay? They have as good a chance to win the Super Bowl as anyone."

 

Murphy offered the marketing deal to Favre regardless of whether he retired this year, but part of his intention was to give Favre an out if he truly didn't want to play again. Favre has admittedly had a tough time deciding whether to come back since his retirement news conference March 6.

 

At the intrasquad scrimmage, where a thunderstorm delayed the start 71 minutes, Rodgers received cheers, but there were also some boos mixed in from the thinned out crowd of 56,600 or so. Rodgers played poorly, completing seven of 20 passes for 84 yards and an interception in the end zone.

 

Afterward, he said, "I'm a football player, and I've got to focus on the things I can control, and that's playing football. With him coming back and if they do open up to a competition, I get a chance to compete. That's all I can ask for."

 

Favre rejoins the Packers as the NFL's all-time career leader in touchdown passes, completions, attempts, yards and victories as a starting quarterback. He is the NFL's only three-time Most Valuable Player award winner, a nine-time Pro Bowl selection and the holder of the NFL record for most consecutive games started by a quarterback, 275 including playoffs.

 

Some of his teammates figured a competition was inevitable.

 

"That's really all you can do is open it up," cornerback Charles Woodson said. "He's reinstated so at that point, once they did that, you've got to give him a chance to win his job. So I think that's only fair. We'll see what happens."

 

First, the story seems to completely ignore one "possible reason" TT/MM have decided to let Brett compete for his job -- because they're not so confident in Rodgers anymore. He hasn't really given them any reason to be so far in camp.

 

Also, if they still ARE supremely confident in Rodgers, the Star Tribune story about his apparently imminent trade to the Vikings seems like complete hogwash. Why? First, because the Vikings wouldn't give more than a marginal to late-round pick. Thompson simply cannot afford to give away Brett Favre to the team's biggest rival for a 5th-rounder or less. Second, if they were planning to trade Favre to the Vikings, why on earth would they be making it known that they were planning have a QB competition? That would only serve to screw with Rodgers' head even MORE, which is something they obviously have no reason to do.

 

Folks, Favre isn't being traded or released. And TT/MM have finally realized that they can't realistically STOP Brett from getting his job back. He's too much of an icon, too respected by his teammates, and still just a flat-out better player than Rodgers right now.

 

If you don't think the rest of the Packers players are already frightened by Rodgers' training camp performance, then you've never played organized sports. It's gone beyond rhetoric and posturing -- I think everybody from the special teamers to the team president is starting to honestly believe that they might NEED Favre to have another successful season. That being the case, the past doesn't matter.

 

Welcome back, Brett. Now, make everybody happy and play like you're getting over a drug addiction!!

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

Here's the most recent story from the MJS:

 

 

 

First, the story seems to completely ignore one "possible reason" TT/MM have decided to let Brett compete for his job -- because they're not so confident in Rodgers anymore. He hasn't really given them any reason to be so far in camp.

 

Also, if they still ARE supremely confident in Rodgers, the Star Tribune story about his apparently imminent trade to the Vikings seems like complete hogwash. Why? First, because the Vikings wouldn't give more than a marginal to late-round pick. Thompson simply cannot afford to give away Brett Favre to the team's biggest rival for a 5th-rounder or less. Second, if they were planning to trade Favre to the Vikings, why on earth would they be making it known that they were planning have a QB competition? That would only serve to screw with Rodgers' head even MORE, which is something they obviously have no reason to do.

 

Folks, Favre isn't being traded or released. And TT/MM have finally realized that they can't realistically STOP Brett from getting his job back. He's too much of an icon, too respected by his teammates, and still just a flat-out better player than Rodgers right now.

 

If you don't think the rest of the Packers players are already frightened by Rodgers' training camp performance, then you've never played organized sports. It's gone beyond rhetoric and posturing -- I think everybody from the special teamers to the team president is starting to honestly believe that they might NEED Favre to have another successful season. That being the case, the past doesn't matter.

 

Welcome back, Brett. Now, make everybody happy and play like you're getting over a drug addiction!!

 

With the way this whole thing has been handled by all sides, nothing will surprise. Even waking up tomorrow morning and seeing that Favre has been traded to anybody including the Vikings really.

[bushwacked]

Why does the CDB's Devil Went Down To Georgia seem so fitting?

[Big John]

Why does the CDB's Devil Went Down To Georgia seem so fitting?

[PaulOttCarruth]

Here's the most recent story from the MJS:

 

 

 

First, the story seems to completely ignore one "possible reason" TT/MM have decided to let Brett compete for his job -- because they're not so confident in Rodgers anymore. He hasn't really given them any reason to be so far in camp.

 

Also, if they still ARE supremely confident in Rodgers, the Star Tribune story about his apparently imminent trade to the Vikings seems like complete hogwash. Why? First, because the Vikings wouldn't give more than a marginal to late-round pick. Thompson simply cannot afford to give away Brett Favre to the team's biggest rival for a 5th-rounder or less. Second, if they were planning to trade Favre to the Vikings, why on earth would they be making it known that they were planning have a QB competition? That would only serve to screw with Rodgers' head even MORE, which is something they obviously have no reason to do.

 

Folks, Favre isn't being traded or released. And TT/MM have finally realized that they can't realistically STOP Brett from getting his job back. He's too much of an icon, too respected by his teammates, and still just a flat-out better player than Rodgers right now.

 

If you don't think the rest of the Packers players are already frightened by Rodgers' training camp performance, then you've never played organized sports. It's gone beyond rhetoric and posturing -- I think everybody from the special teamers to the team president is starting to honestly believe that they might NEED Favre to have another successful season. That being the case, the past doesn't matter.

 

Welcome back, Brett. Now, make everybody happy and play like you're getting over a drug addiction!!

 

I hope you're right, but don't dismiss the possibility that the Packers are releasing another smokescreen. It seems logical at this point that the Vikings management thinks they can trade for Favre for a mid-round pick because initially the Packers were trying to do everything in their power to keep Favre out of camp. Now they're saying they will not only welcome him back but they'll allow him to compete for the starting job. In effect, by saying they can live with Favre on their roster, the Packers have upped the asking price to at least a second-round pick IMO.

[piratesownninjas]

Folks, Favre isn't being traded or released. And TT/MM have finally realized that they can't realistically STOP Brett from getting his job back. He's too much of an icon, too respected by his teammates, and still just a flat-out better player than Rodgers right now.

 

If you don't think the rest of the Packers players are already frightened by Rodgers' training camp performance, then you've never played organized sports. It's gone beyond rhetoric and posturing -- I think everybody from the special teamers to the team president is starting to honestly believe that they might NEED Favre to have another successful season. That being the case, the past doesn't matter.

 

Welcome back, Brett. Now, make everybody happy and play like you're getting over a drug addiction!!

This is what I think is happening... Of all the mis-steps taken in a PR sense by the organization, telling Green Bay fans and players that Favre is coming back to an open competition and then shipping him off to the Vikings would be something hard to overcome.

Favre is going to start, Brohm is the future, and Aaron Rodgers never gets his chance.

[Bronco Billy]

Okay, I'll put forth the argument that the team made Favre better last year, and not the other way around.

 

 

Year	comp	att	yds	TDs	INTs	ypa2005	372	607	3881	20	29	6.392006	343	613	3885	18	18	6.342007	356	535	4155	28	15	7.772005/2006	357.5	610	3883	19	23.5	6.37AVE

 

 

So if we look at the 2005 & 2006 numbers - years that were remarkably similar and years in which many wondered if Favre shouldn't have retired after 2004 - we see Favre with mediocre numbers. Less than 20 passing TDs per season, more INTs than TDs, and a ypa that would have been 25th in the league last year (hint - that was Joey Harrington/Kyle Boller territory).

 

Then we get McCarthy implementing his offensive system and good young players acquired by Thompson maturing, and Voila! - Favre experiences a resurgence.

 

We see that even though his passing attempts were actually curtailed by over 12%, he experienced an increase in passing percentage, a 7% increase in passing yds, a hugh 22% increase in ypa, and just as importantly a stunning turnaround in his TD/INT ratio.

 

But we're supposed to believe that's all Favre's doing - even though he's gotten older? And even though he got less work? Pardon me if I'm very skeptical. I'm a Favre lover of gigantic proportions, but Father Time catches up with everyone - and it looked like in 2005 & 2006 it had definietly caught up with Favre. I'm a firm believer that it was the team & the coaching that allowed Favre to have the 2007 that he had. The numbers support that. By forcing Favre to do less, he actually was able to do more - in short, the team improved and made the difference.

 

Now Favre is yet another year older. I know this is going to be hard for some to believe, but he can't keep playing forever. Rodgers has waited, and he has shown in very limited duty in preseason work and it extremely limited regular season work that he has the earmarks of being a very good QB - whether he can do it on a full time basis remains to be seen. But I have a tough time believing that Favre can repeat those numbers from last year - much less improve on them - and if that's the case, then GB's chances as a team have a ceiling on them while they appease an aging legend.

 

In the meantime, GB has a very, very good young team with what appears to be a maturing QB with some significant potential - and a maturing QB whose skill set appears to fit the GB O better than the aged gunslinger's mentality. Should GB be held hostage to Favre's legend, and forsake potentially being the top contender in the NFC while they watch Favre's skills continue to erode - which time says they have to do? Teams have windows of opportunity to make their splash and go for the gold ring. It would be a shame to see GB waste a couple of those years of opportunity carrying the old legend who refuses to go away.

 

We won't even go into the possibility of pissing off a former 1st round pick that has had years of grooming to play QB, but may get frustrated while he waits for his chance to both start and see if he can earn the big paycheck, possibly sending him to another team in FA not for a couple of years max. like Favre would be doing, but for potentially a decade, and having to fall back on a complete unknown in Brohm.

 

Sorry, you can't sell me on taking that risk. Not with this team. Not even for Favre.

Edited August 4, 2008 by Bronco Billy

[Jackass]

Okay, I'll put forth the argument that the team made Favre better last year, and not the other way around.

 

[

Every team/individual relationship is symbiotic. Last year Favre played better, the team was better. A couple years ago, the team sucked, they were playing behind almost all the time and Favre was chucking it up b/c he had no choice.