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Bye Bye Bertuzzi


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Can you say suspension? Anyone watch the Avs - Canucks game last night? Old time hockey to say the least. If these two meet in the playoffs it will be nasty.

 

Wow, that was quick. The game ended late last night and this is already out: http://www.nhl.com/onthefly/news/2004/03/205678.html

 

Here's a better link withmore info in case you missed the game: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/recap?gameId=240308022

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..... you beat me to the punch H-1 eek! .... unlike the puddle this year where I was Bertuzzi & you were Steve Moore. lol :P wink

 

Yeah I saw the game.... what goes around comes around for Moore... he had to know something was com'in. Maybe not just like that. After it went it went to 6-2 I knew something was gonna happen.... just a matter of time.

 

The first blow from Bert was cheap as sh*t..... back of the head.... Moore never saw it com'in.

 

As a Lanche fan I loved the win.... as a hockey fan I was bummed. Last week they had a 5-5 shootout.... last night the game was over in the 1st.

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Down Goes Frazia:

BTW H-1...... did you see Worrell @ the end of the game ?   eek!    Gett'in into it with the Canucklehead fans as he was escorted to the locker room.   lol   ...this baby is just heat'in up.   brow      thumbs_u  

Well, some douchebag fan throws a beer on the guy, so I don't blame him for wigging out. Gotta love those tough fans up in the stands throwing beer. thumbs_d Instead of escorting him out of the stadium they should have put him in a room with Worrell for 5 minutes. That'd make jackass fans think twice before being douchebags.

 

I'm all for cheering and booing and hootin' and hollerin', but throwing a beer on a player because you're a mental midget pisses me off.

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Originally posted by Sensai H-1:

Instead of escorting him out of the stadium they should have put him in a room with Worrell for 5 minutes.

 

eek! smash .... Peter Worrell is one of the baddest in the league. F'n luvvv him.

 

I'm all for cheering and booing and hootin' and hollerin', but throwing a beer on a player because you're a mental midget pisses me off.

 

... that's the Canuckleheads for 'ya. They're d*ckheads up there in Vancouver. I've been to a few games up there..... great hockey atmosphere, but their fans are grade-A pr*cks. thumbs_d

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.. yep... all over KJR here too. Bertuzzi is done for the year & then some.

OK, here's where I have a problem. I've seen a lot of cheap shots go virtually unnoticed by Colin Campbell and his band of a-holes. But now, because someone gets hurt, they're going to make an example of Bertuzzi? I just don't think it's right. If Moore gets sucker-punched but doesn't get hurt, Bertuzzi sits for a maximum of 2 games. Now, because of the injury, Bertuzzi's gonna rack up a huge suspension, and in effect ruin the Canucks chance at a playoff run. I understand that Bertuzzi should have thought twice before doing it, and I understand it was a cheap shot, but I don't think you judge a suspension by the result, you judge it by the act. And anyone comparing this to the McSorley/Brashear incident is f-ing clueless.
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I did not see the hit that Moore put on Naslund earlier in the year. It must have been a legal hit because their was no penalty called. Either that or the refs missed it. Naslund was out 3 games with a concussion.

 

What ever happened to the good clean hard hit. As long as a player has the puck, he is fair game as long as you don't charge him or hit him from behind.

 

What Bertuzzi did was intentional and uncalled for. I am outraged by the video. That is not hockey. What kind of message are we sending to our kids. That it is alright to assault somebody?

 

IMO - I think he should be suspended as long as Moore takes to recover from injuries plus take some anger management classes.

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 I don't think you judge a suspension by the result, you judge it by the act
Isn't that consistently the case in hockey? shrug The same actions go from a minor penalty to a major if blood happens to be spilled as a result.

 

I agree that it is the act which is wrongful and should be punished. That's why we punish attempted crimes the same as the crimes themselves: if you shoot at someone and miss, we don't want to reward you for being a bad shot.

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I think the one year McSorley suspension would be about right in this case. Without getting into the which was worse argument, it's stuff like this that makes me wonder if I need to continue to watch hockey (I know I will).

You mention that a long suspension will ruin the Canucks playoff chances.. but what about Colorado's?

 

As a Devils fan, I remember the cheap shot Domi hit on Nedermayer a couple years ago... it just gives me a sick feeling that any teams playoff chances can be hurt badly by the intentional, illegal actions of another player.

 

Now, I'll keep watching, and I'm not going to suggest that things like this are the reason that people don't watch. But it certainly doesn't help. Maybe they'll change somethings in the new CBA.

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As a Devils fan, I remember the cheap shot Domi hit on Nedermayer a couple years ago... it just gives me a sick feeling that any teams playoff chances can be hurt badly by the intentional, illegal actions of another player.

I think this is a better comparison, and here's why. McSorley used his stick. Not to draw a fight, but to hurt the guy. There is no grey area. If you swing a stick at a guy's head you are attempting to hurt him. Bertuzzi, with a glove on his hand, sucker-punched Moore. Now I'm not defending it, but IMO it is completely different than what McSorley did. IMO, Bertuzzi wanted to wail on the guy, no question, but I think there is much less of a pre-meditated intent to injure. JMHO's.

 

FWIW, Domi was suspended for the rest of the playoffs, not a year like McSorley.

 

I am not defending Bertuzzi, but if you watch a lot of hockey regularly, there are a lot of things that go on. Cheap shots, flagrant stick fouls, fights, etc. If Moore didn't get hurt, it would have barely made Sports Center.

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You read the same thing on espn.com that I did, so no need to re-hash, but you could make a case (a weak case, but still), that McSorley wanted to hit the shoulder, and then fight Brashear... but again, I'm not going to debate the intent too much, but Bertuzzi was as much pre-meditated. (Can you even compare that? It was pre-meditated, or it wasn't... like being more pregnant)

 

I don't remember how long Domi's suspension was, because the Devils won that series anyway. But the amount of injury always plays a role in the suspension. At the hearing today... is Bertuzzi going to say "Gee, if he didn't have such a glass jaw, we wouldn't even be talking today?" I don't know.

 

I agree, there is plenty of garbage that goes on during hockey, maybe that is why a lot of people get turned off and don't watch, and TV barely covers it.

 

Besides, if he gets a year suspension, he should make sure its a calendar year. Because then, he might not miss that much time, who knows how much hockey there is going be.

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Bertuzzi should be banned for life if you ask me. I think the interview with him from a couple of years ago eplains it all, where he talks about long suspensions for acts like this and how something needs to be done about it. Too many people get away with stuff like this in hockey and he should pay for it.

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He sucker punched him in the head, then drove him into the ice, still trying to throw punches. If you never look your opponent in the eyes I guess it's tough to tell that he's already unconscious from his broken neck.

 

This wasn't a heat of the moment hockey fight, it was a sneak attack. They are talking criminal charges against him, and I can't say I blame them.

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Bertuzzi should be banned for life if you ask me. I think the interview with him from a couple of years ago eplains it all, where he talks about long suspensions for acts like this and how something needs to be done about it. Too many people get away with stuff like this in hockey and he should pay for it.

Life suspecnsion and criminal charges, IMO.
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Finally, a good article (or at least one that I agree with brow ) on the subject:

 

 

Here come all the hockey "experts" | From David Schoenfield

I was watching SportsCenter on Tuesday night with my wife, who is a big hockey fan, when the Bertuzzi hit was shown again.

 

Her comment was especially revealing: "Now columnists everywhere who haven't seen a hockey game all year will be writing on this."

 

Hockey is a tough game. Sometimes it is a violent game. It is nowhere near as violent as boxing or football. A hard check along the boards or even a sucker punch to the back of the neck don't normally have the same potential for injury -- or death -- as a pitcher deliberately throwing a 95-mph fastball at a batter's head or race-car drivers screaming at 230 mph down the backstretch at Daytona.

 

Nobody gets outraged when a defensive lineman delivers a crushing to a quarterback two seconds after he has thrown the ball or when a wide receiver gets clotheslined in the head.

 

Yet ... columnists everywhere will be ranting and raving about this play, pounding their fists on their imaginary typewriters and acting -- like they do once a year -- that they actually know something about hockey.

 

As Maple Leafs coach Pat Quinn said when asked about Bertuzzi's hit, "Payback has been part of the game for 100 years." It is what it is. Steve Moore knew the game when he delivered a cheap shot to Canucks captain Markus Naslund last month. Avalanche coach Tony Granato knows the game -- he was once suspended 15 games for a stick to the face.

 

I'm not defending Bertuzzi's hit. It obviously crossed the line of fair play or even "payback" play and is unacceptable. If he receives a long suspension and misses the playoffs, it's a costly blow to a team with Stanley Cup hopes, and even Bertuzzi's teammates would admit that no attempt at payback makes that defensible.

 

But if you don't know the game, keep your ranting to something else.

 

From: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...age=bloc/040310

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Except that his rant seemed to be more about other writers and media people. That's fine. Except after quoting all the people "Payback's been in the game for 100 years". He then goes onto say that he doesn't defend the play. He never said anything about what the suspension should or shouldn't be.

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Originally posted by skins:

Life suspecnsion and criminal charges, IMO.

 

:D .... yeah right. Spoken like a lawyer. wink You must be one of those who never watches hockey.... oh yeah, I forgot you live in Washington.... there is no hockey in DC. lol

 

The punishment fit the crime. This does not compare to McSorley or any other incident using a stick as a weapon.... plain & simple. The NHL felt that way too.... or the league would have imposed a much harsher penalty. This DOES however resemble the Domi cheap shot on Niedermeier which BTW yielded a very similar suspension.

 

Darren Pang - " This is by no way the worst indcident ever in the league.It needs to be handled in house with the league, Canucks & Bertuzzi."

 

.. couldn't agree more. Remember, Bert left his glove ON when he hit him. The faceplant to the ice is what did most of the damage. Not defending it here either.... bert got what he deserved. The Cauncks were also fined 1/4 million dollars. eek! .... and basically have lost their chance for a stanley cup.

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Ask Jeremy Roenick about payback. (Say hello to my elbow, said Mr. Hatcher.)

 

I finally saw a clip of the incident. While it was violent and completely uncalled for, it was not as violent as I had expected after reading the accounts of it.

 

Moore collapsed like a house of cards after getting hit on the side of the head with a gloved punch. Bertuzzi must have caught him on the temple. Bertuzzi then fell on him. It didn't look to me that "he drove his head into the ice" as I had read. Maybe I need to see it again.

 

Was it a cowardly, cheap shot? Absolutely. Bertuzzi deserves the suspension. But the injury was kind of freakish, and Bertuzzi was a victim of circumstance, albeit a circumstance of his own making.

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... for all those calling for Bert to go to San Quentin for a year........

 

Did any of you see Moores' hit on Naslund a few weeks back? coach Probably not for most of you... seeing as this is the longest hockey thread I've ever seen here. lol Well, it was just as violent if not more, no pun intended. They were skating @ center ice (about 25-30 mph. eek! )..... when Moore sized up Naslund & clocked him in the jaw / temple with his armour plated elbow...... Naslund never saw it com'in either..... just as cheap, IMHO. And coulda been much worse by matter of luck.

 

My point is that what goes around comes around in the NHL...... Bert will get his. smash

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