WOW, what do we know thus far about the season

[Kid Cid]

Why again are Paterno and Bowden still coaching? Both schools are hostage to these 2. I dont see this as good for their program having some iconic figure at the top, but has little to do with the X's and O's at this point. Wouldnt it be better to have a coach like Saban or Meyer who is completely in control. You think the assistant coachs dont tell the players not to worry about what the old man says, he doesnt have a clue anymore.

 

Obviously you aren't connected to either of these two schools and I'd say you're the one without a clue. I can't speak directly to Bowden but all the interviews that I've seen with him recently make it clear that he isn't clueless. In JoePa's case, he not only isn't clueless, but after a couple of lackluster years, clearly he has the program moving in the right direction again with bowl appearances (two of them BCS bowls) in the last four years, three of them wins with last year's loss in the Rose Bowl the only blemish in that time.

 

2005 Orange Florida State 26-23 W

2006 Outback Tennessee 20-10 W

2007 Alamo Texas A&M 24-17 W

2008 Rose USC 24-38 L

 

There are plenty of coaches who'd give their left nut for that kind of post season opportunity, never mind success.

[Rockerbraves]

SC isnt near as good as we thought, and Washington is better. But again, I do not see that makes LSU any better or worse as a result.

Ever here of SOS?

[PoPo]

Obviously you aren't connected to either of these two schools and I'd say you're the one without a clue. I can't speak directly to Bowden but all the interviews that I've seen with him recently make it clear that he isn't clueless. In JoePa's case, he not only isn't clueless, but after a couple of lackluster years, clearly he has the program moving in the right direction again with bowl appearances (two of them BCS bowls) in the last four years, three of them wins with last year's loss in the Rose Bowl the only blemish in that time.

 

2005 Orange Florida State 26-23 W

2006 Outback Tennessee 20-10 W

2007 Alamo Texas A&M 24-17 W

2008 Rose USC 24-38 L

 

There are plenty of coaches who'd give their left nut for that kind of post season opportunity, never mind success.

 

 

They were the favorite in 3 of those 4 games. And they won. And last yrs game wasnt nearly as close as the final score.

 

Penn St plays no one, and is this just to pad Joe Pas record. Because it certainly isnt helping them nationally.

The Big 10 is down, one would think if this program wanted to prove something, they would play someone outside the conference.

[PoPo]

Ever here of SOS?

 

Ok, so how is SOS going to help LSU win games? I thought this was about judging the LSU team.

[Kid Cid]

They were the favorite in 3 of those 4 games. And they won. And last yrs game wasnt nearly as close as the final score.

 

Penn St plays no one, and is this just to pad Joe Pas record. Because it certainly isnt helping them nationally.

The Big 10 is down, one would think if this program wanted to prove something, they would play someone outside the conference.

I don't know what they have to prove. If the Big Ten is down like you say, and there is no championship game, and the biggest games you have all year are scheduled home games (Iowa and Ohio State come to mind), why take a chance on a loss to a big name team when running the slate gets you a shot at the NC game? It seems like smart scheduling to me.

[Rockerbraves]

Ok, so how is SOS going to help LSU win games? I thought this was about judging the LSU team.

Whether you like the BCS system or not without a quality SOS you don't even get a chance to win BCS bowl game if you stumble a couple of times.

 

aka LSU 2007 National Championship was in large part due to Virginia Tech's success outside of their game vs. LSU.

Edited September 21, 2009 by Rockerbraves

[detlef]

SC isnt near as good as we thought, and Washington is better. But again, I do not see that makes LSU any better or worse as a result.

Dude, UW didn't win a freaking game last year. So, when LSU had trouble with them, it was hard to think that reflected very well. Now, maybe UW was better than last year, or maybe LSU just plain wasn't good. One couldn't say for certain either way based on that game alone. Now, it appears, that UW, is, in fact, better than last year. Sure USC laid an egg, but USC could have laid an egg on them last year and still gotten away with a W.

 

This Washington team, however, appears to be too good for a team like that not to bring it's A game.

 

That sort of rules out the bit about LSU not being all that good.

 

It's really not that hard to figure out. Now, does this alone mean LSU should be #1. Certainly not. However, if UW keeps it up, that week 1 win is going to become a nice asset on LSU's resume if they end up in the mix. I can't see how any reasonable person could see otherwise.

[detlef]

Whether you like the BCS system or not without a quality SOS you don't even get a chance to win BCS bowl game if you stumble a couple of times.

 

aka LSU 2007 National Championship was in large part due to Virginia Tech's success outside of their game vs. LSU.

BCS or no, SOS will be a massive factor. Given the number of teams and the lack of head to head match-ups between the major powers, SOS will remain one the most important factors in determining who plays for all the marbles. Whether you're determining the top 2, top 8, or even top 16.

 

None the less, he's all yours now. I'm done trying to argue with this guy.

[Rockerbraves]

BCS or no, SOS will be a massive factor. Given the number of teams and the lack of head to head match-ups between the major powers, SOS will remain one the most important factors in determining who plays for all the marbles. Whether you're determining the top 2, top 8, or even top 16.

 

None the less, he's all yours now. I'm done trying to argue with this guy.

What's nice from LSU's point of view is that their ooc scheduled going into the season looked on paper to be very very weak especially considering their only big name ooc opponent this season Washington was coming off their worse season ever.

 

Now only a couple of weeks into the season LSU's ooc schedule doesn't look all that bad. In fact it's actually one of the better ones considering it includes a PAC 10 road win over a team who beat the PAC 10 favorite. Heck even LSU's win over ULL looks a little better since ULL just beat Big 12 Kansas State last week.

[PoPo]

Dude, UW didn't win a freaking game last year. So, when LSU had trouble with them, it was hard to think that reflected very well. Now, maybe UW was better than last year, or maybe LSU just plain wasn't good. One couldn't say for certain either way based on that game alone. Now, it appears, that UW, is, in fact, better than last year. Sure USC laid an egg, but USC could have laid an egg on them last year and still gotten away with a W.

 

This Washington team, however, appears to be too good for a team like that not to bring it's A game.

 

That sort of rules out the bit about LSU not being all that good.

 

It's really not that hard to figure out. Now, does this alone mean LSU should be #1. Certainly not. However, if UW keeps it up, that week 1 win is going to become a nice asset on LSU's resume if they end up in the mix. I can't see how any reasonable person could see otherwise.

 

 

Im not arguing SOS, so why are we chaning the original point.

 

This is what was said "Just maybe LSU is worthy of a top 10 ranking considering Washington beat USC."

 

Washington played a great game, and as I said before they new intimately the coaching style of Pete Carroll, as the Wash HC and DC were former OC and DC at USC, just last yr. Dont you think they knew how to attack and defend Sc better than anyone else. So I do not see how Sc playing its backup QB, who has never played a game, on the road against its former OC and DC makes LSU a better team because Washington knocked off SC and LSU knocked off Wash.

 

I also said we will find out soon enough on LSU, I think people are now over reacting the other way, after this win, as some did when LSU struggled with Washington in week 1.

 

So tell me again, how any of this you spew has anything to do with what Rocker said, and I countered. If LSU loses 3 or 4 games, are they still going to be in the top 10, because they beat Wash who beat SC. And what if Sc loses 4 games this yr, how nice will this win look in SOS later.

 

Its early.

 

Just like he saying because BYU got creamed by FSU, it means OK is worse than originally thought. You ever think OU went into panic mode during the game when it lost its QB, and got a little too conservative with the young Qb. The score was 14-13, hardly a convincing win for BYU. But a win none the less. OU looks pretty good since, pitching 2 shutouts, albeit against lesser competition. But the backup Qb sure looks poised for someone starting its 1st and 2nd game of his college career. I bet OU wish it let him do more in the BYU game, and they are kicking themselves for that. OUs future rests in its remaining schedule, as does LSU. Not what happens week 1, if they dont back it up with Ws.

[Rockerbraves]

Washington played a great game, and as I said before they new intimately the coaching style of Pete Carroll, as the Wash HC and DC were former OC and DC at USC, just last yr. Dont you think they knew how to attack and defend Sc better than anyone else. So I do not see how Sc playing its backup QB, who has never played a game, on the road against its former OC and DC makes LSU a better team because Washington knocked off SC and LSU knocked off Wash.

Let's be fair. Since both those coaches worked for Coach Pete Carroll, don't you think Coach Carroll knows intimately the coaching style of his former employees. Don't you think Pete knew how Washingtn would attack and defend?

 

And blaming the game on USC's backup QB is pretty funny considering USC so called starter was playing high school ball last season and only has one game under his belt.

[GWPFFL BrianW]

solid W for Iowa in what was a painful game to watch for UA peeps....... Matt Scott may be the worst starting QB in the country - he was beyond horrible

 

- the play calling when Grigsby went out at the 1 was horrible - punch the frigging ball in to the endzone - 6 there would have been hugh.

 

UA's D is legit, however they need to get Foles in there bc they are not going to beat anyone with that piss poor QB play.

 

To top it off Gronkowski, one of the best TE in the country is out for the year - good times

 

 

Arizona has some athletes though. Very quick all over the place, particularly on defense, and they had Iowa scouted out good in the first half. I'm just happy to get the W, and now worry about an angry Nittany Lion team next week.

 

And btw, (not directed at you wildcat but a general statement) JoePa and Bobby Bowden have earned the right to call there own shots, especially when you look at some of the low character a$$holes at other schools like Nick Saban, Charlie Weis, and Rich Rodriguez. Let the men leave on there own terms and shut up about it. They are college football, whether you like their teams or not.

Edited September 21, 2009 by GWPFFL BrianW

[PoPo]

Let's be fair. Since both those coaches worked for Coach Pete Carroll, don't you think Coach Carroll knows intimately the coaching style of his former employees. Don't you think Pete knew how Washingtn would attack and defend?

 

And blaming the game on USC's backup QB is pretty funny considering USC so called starter was playing high school ball last season and only has one game under his belt.

 

 

 

 

Oh Im not blaming the backup QB for the loss, though message boards in Cali certainly are. This poor kid is getting crucified in the media as well.

I think Sark and Co. dialed up the perfect gameplan. excellent win for that program.

 

But I do not think you can say because one team beat one team, they could also beat a team they beat. Nor do I think this validates Washington as a power. Have they improved, obviously. But if they get beat by Stanford this week, then what..... So again, its too early to tell.

[Menudo]

They were the favorite in 3 of those 4 games. And they won. And last yrs game wasnt nearly as close as the final score.

 

Penn St plays no one, and is this just to pad Joe Pas record. Because it certainly isnt helping them nationally.

The Big 10 is down, one would think if this program wanted to prove something, they would play someone outside the conference.

 

Penn State starts a home and home with Alabama next year.

 

I don't like PSU's OOC schedule either, but, what can you do....I'm glad they get Alabama the next two years.

[detlef]

Im not arguing SOS, so why are we chaning the original point.

 

This is what was said "Just maybe LSU is worthy of a top 10 ranking considering Washington beat USC."

 

Washington played a great game, and as I said before they new intimately the coaching style of Pete Carroll, as the Wash HC and DC were former OC and DC at USC, just last yr. Dont you think they knew how to attack and defend Sc better than anyone else. So I do not see how Sc playing its backup QB, who has never played a game, on the road against its former OC and DC makes LSU a better team because Washington knocked off SC and LSU knocked off Wash.

 

I also said we will find out soon enough on LSU, I think people are now over reacting the other way, after this win, as some did when LSU struggled with Washington in week 1.

 

So tell me again, how any of this you spew has anything to do with what Rocker said, and I countered. If LSU loses 3 or 4 games, are they still going to be in the top 10, because they beat Wash who beat SC. And what if Sc loses 4 games this yr, how nice will this win look in SOS later.

 

Its early.

 

Just like he saying because BYU got creamed by FSU, it means OK is worse than originally thought. You ever think OU went into panic mode during the game when it lost its QB, and got a little too conservative with the young Qb. The score was 14-13, hardly a convincing win for BYU. But a win none the less. OU looks pretty good since, pitching 2 shutouts, albeit against lesser competition. But the backup Qb sure looks poised for someone starting its 1st and 2nd game of his college career. I bet OU wish it let him do more in the BYU game, and they are kicking themselves for that. OUs future rests in its remaining schedule, as does LSU. Not what happens week 1, if they dont back it up with Ws.

You do realize that Rocker is talking about LSU deserving a top 10 ranking right now. That, right now, they have a win vs a team ranked in the top 25, right now on their resume. Dude's as big a homer as they come, but I'm pretty certain that if they lose 3-4 times, as you suggest, he won't be pointing to the win vs UW and saying that means they should be in the top 10.

 

Obviously we'll find out soon enough about LSU and we'll find out soon enough about UW. But as long as they're doing rankings in week 3, LSU has a fine argument to be in the top 10 and part of that argument is a win vs a team that, going into the season looked like a laughable speed bump but now appears to be at least good, and perhaps quite good.

 

It astounds me that you can't see this and it doesn't surprise me that, lacking anything remotely solid to lean on, pretend that you're arguing against guys who feel any team with 3-4 losses as deserving a top 10 ranking.

[wildcat2334]

I don't like PSU's OOC schedule either, but, what can you do....I'm glad they get Alabama the next two years.

 

 

uh, schedule someone legit out of conference??

 

it hasn't been as big of a deal when the Big 10 was stronger, I just don't think anyone trusts the Big 10 conference as a way to gauge the best teams of late...........Big 10 teams have to sack up - nice to see PSU playing Bama

 

could be a case this year where PSU runs the table and a 1L team would probably be ranked ahead of them in the BCS

[PoPo]

Um, 'cause when LSU had trouble with them, it was viewed as LSU having trouble with a team that sucked last year. Now it's LSU having trouble with a team that just knocked off USC and, I believe, is now in the top 25. I would say that's a pretty big difference. Sure, maybe USC beats them with their starting QB, but it's still USC. Washington is obviously, at very least, a good team and one that you shouldn't feel bad about not being able to name your score on.

 

 

Dude, UW didn't win a freaking game last year. So, when LSU had trouble with them, it was hard to think that reflected very well. Now, maybe UW was better than last year, or maybe LSU just plain wasn't good. One couldn't say for certain either way based on that game alone. Now, it appears, that UW, is, in fact, better than last year. Sure USC laid an egg, but USC could have laid an egg on them last year and still gotten away with a W.

 

This Washington team, however, appears to be too good for a team like that not to bring it's A game.

 

That sort of rules out the bit about LSU not being all that good.

 

It's really not that hard to figure out. Now, does this alone mean LSU should be #1. Certainly not. However, if UW keeps it up, that week 1 win is going to become a nice asset on LSU's resume if they end up in the mix. I can't see how any reasonable person could see otherwise.

 

 

 

BCS or no, SOS will be a massive factor. Given the number of teams and the lack of head to head match-ups between the major powers, SOS will remain one the most important factors in determining who plays for all the marbles. Whether you're determining the top 2, top 8, or even top 16.

 

None the less, he's all yours now. I'm done trying to argue with this guy.

 

 

You do realize that Rocker is talking about LSU deserving a top 10 ranking right now. That, right now, they have a win vs a team ranked in the top 25, right now on their resume. Dude's as big a homer as they come, but I'm pretty certain that if they lose 3-4 times, as you suggest, he won't be pointing to the win vs UW and saying that means they should be in the top 10.

 

Obviously we'll find out soon enough about LSU and we'll find out soon enough about UW. But as long as they're doing rankings in week 3, LSU has a fine argument to be in the top 10 and part of that argument is a win vs a team that, going into the season looked like a laughable speed bump but now appears to be at least good, and perhaps quite good.

 

It astounds me that you can't see this and it doesn't surprise me that, lacking anything remotely solid to lean on, pretend that you're arguing against guys who feel any team with 3-4 losses as deserving a top 10 ranking.

[PoPo]

1.) Just maybe LSU is worthy of a top 10 ranking considering Washington beat USC.

 

 

As Ive said before, I do not think just because LSU beat Washington and Washington beat USC, this gives them top 10 credentials.

 

 

LSU is in the top 10 because 6 top 10 teams have already lost, more than this win. Ive also said repeatedly lets not over react here. Just as some did when they struggled with Washington to now after Washington beat SC.

 

 

Detlef is clueless. He goes on about Wash being a top 25 team, to SOS, to head to head matchups to tiebreakers.

 

Guess what Boise beat a top 25 team and they are not in the top 10. So no, a win over a top 25 teams does not mean you are a lock for a top 10 ranking.

Edited September 22, 2009 by PoPo

[GWPFFL BrianW]

Penn State since 2002 has played home and homes with Boston College, Nebraska, Notre Dame, and Syracuse, and also played Oregon State last year, not sure if they will make the trip out to Corvallis in the next couple years or not. Yes, we all know Syracuse has been down, but it's hard to ignore the fact how many years in advance these schedules are made. Hard to say they schedule weak. As for the postseason, Penn State is 1-1 as underdogs W vs Tennessee, Loss vs USC. They covered vs Texas A & M, in a virtual road game, not to mention playing Florida State in Miami for a great Orange Bowl game between the two legendary coaches. Lay off Penn State.

[PoPo]

Penn State since 2002 has played home and homes with Boston College, Nebraska, Notre Dame, and Syracuse, and also played Oregon State last year, not sure if they will make the trip out to Corvallis in the next couple years or not. Yes, we all know Syracuse has been down, but it's hard to ignore the fact how many years in advance these schedules are made. Hard to say they schedule weak. As for the postseason, Penn State is 1-1 as underdogs W vs Tennessee, Loss vs USC. They covered vs Texas A & M, in a virtual road game, not to mention playing Florida State in Miami for a great Orange Bowl game between the two legendary coaches. Lay off Penn State.

 

 

Yes Sir. Can your boys kindly eliminate them from BCS NC contention this week.

 

Thanks in advance.

[Menudo]

uh, schedule someone legit out of conference??

 

Trust me, I wish they would. I'm thrilled they have Bama the next two season. They may lose one or both of those games, but, I like seeing them play tougher competition. If I were scheduling, they would have Pitt & Notre Dame every year, one other good team and keep Temple for your opener. However, in this stupid system that doesn't reward you enough for winning tough OOC games, that won't happen.

[wildcat2334]

Penn State since 2002 has played home and homes with Boston College, Nebraska, Notre Dame, and Syracuse, and also played Oregon State last year, not sure if they will make the trip out to Corvallis in the next couple years or not. Yes, we all know Syracuse has been down, but it's hard to ignore the fact how many years in advance these schedules are made. Hard to say they schedule weak. As for the postseason, Penn State is 1-1 as underdogs W vs Tennessee, Loss vs USC. They covered vs Texas A & M, in a virtual road game, not to mention playing Florida State in Miami for a great Orange Bowl game between the two legendary coaches. Lay off Penn State.

 

 

whatever - Penn State has been notorious for a soft NC slate in recent years

 

I just don't see how you can justify Akron, Syracuse, Temple and E Ill in any way shape or forrm as being a legit NC schedule

[Kid Cid]

whatever - Penn State has been notorious for a soft NC slate in recent years

 

I just don't see how you can justify Akron, Syracuse, Temple and E Ill in any way shape or forrm as being a legit NC schedule

As Menudo said, the Syracuse game was scheduled before they dropped into the crapper. Temple is the only in state rivalry that continues on a regular basis. Go ahead and bash away though, that's what you guys do best.

[detlef]

Trust me, I wish they would. I'm thrilled they have Bama the next two season. They may lose one or both of those games, but, I like seeing them play tougher competition. If I were scheduling, they would have Pitt & Notre Dame every year, one other good team and keep Temple for your opener. However, in this stupid system that doesn't reward you enough for winning tough OOC games, that won't happen.

And there it is, right there. OSU has shown the way and there's absolutely no logical reason to do otherwise. Hell, most of the SEC plays crap OOC and has to lean on the fact that their conference is regarded as stronger than most (but who ultimately knows). Provided you are in one of the conferences deemed worthy and either run the table or have one loss, you're in the mix. There's simply no reason for anyone who's not in the WAC or other outside-looking-in conferences to schedule anyone legit.

 

If the NCAA wants to sack up and make who you play matter, then I'm sure schools will start playing ball. Until then, why bother.

[wildcat2334]

As Menudo said, the Syracuse game was scheduled before they dropped into the crapper. Temple is the only in state rivalry that continues on a regular basis. Go ahead and bash away though, that's what you guys do best.

 

 

bashing? how about reality......uh gawd your Big 10 honks and Paterno jockeys live in a bubble - do you honestly think this is not a nation-wide opinion shared by many about the Big 10 and Penn State?? I got news for you - it is.

 

I love Paterno as much as anyone but cmon. Are you seriously defending this sched? it is laughable

 

Syr had been awful for quite a while now - and Syr/Temple/Akron/ - are currently 92, 137 and 128 respectively in the nation -