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They beat an Oregon team that has not lost to anyone else and an Oregon team that is thrashing USC right now.

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They beat an Oregon team that has not lost to anyone else and an Oregon team that is thrashing USC right now.

 

We'll never know until there is a playoff system in place. I think teams like Boise State have a large advantage during the season. They typically only have to get up for 1-2 tough games during the season and then their bowl game. However, teams in major conferences have to get up for several games each season. Texas, Florida, USC, Alabama, etc have to be ready for a number of rivalry games against top opponents. These teams become more prone to upset because it is tougher to get up week after and week. If Florida had Boise State's schedule, everyone would be expecting them to go undefeated and complaining what a cake schedule it is. Hell, this season, Florida's schedule lined up nicely for them but they still have to play LSU away, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, S. Carolina, FSU, and the SEC Championship game. I wonder if Boise State might pick up a loss or two with this schedule.

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... I wonder if Boise State might pick up a loss or two with this schedule.

And there, my friends, is the problem.

 

ETA: And, oh by the way, Boise completely manhandled Oregon in that game. The apologists can say what they will about first game of the year and all that but that game wasn't even close.

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And there, my friends, is the problem.

 

Exactly. However, if there was a playoff system in place, Boise State would likely be included and have to win 3 quality games to claim the NC. If they did so, then they would be the NC--no argument (at least from me).

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Exactly. However, if there was a playoff system in place, Boise State would likely be included and have to win 3 quality games to claim the NC. If they did so, then they would be the NC--no argument (at least from me).

I appreciate you agreeing with me but after "Exactly" you're still wondering.

Not only would Boise State have to win 3 "quality" games but so would anyone else to win the whole thing. Just because a fairly large group of folks feels that winning in the SEC involves winning several "quality" games does not mean that they have necessarily played the best teams in the country. Maybe the SEC, or any other conference for that matter, is no better than anyone else and they just do an outstanding job, lately, of getting prepared for the big game in January.

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I appreciate you agreeing with me but after "Exactly" you're still wondering.

Not only would Boise State have to win 3 "quality" games but so would anyone else to win the whole thing. Just because a fairly large group of folks feels that winning in the SEC involves winning several "quality" games does not mean that they have necessarily played the best teams in the country. Maybe the SEC, or any other conference for that matter, is no better than anyone else and they just do an outstanding job, lately, of getting prepared for the big game in January.

 

I think your missing my point. My only comment was that generally speaking, Boise State currently has an easier time of it during the regular season. I was responding to the original question about how good Boise St is. We can't know because their schedule is typically easier than other top teams. When it comes to bowl season, for them it's usually a great chance to prove that they really belong whereas for the team they are playing, it's a bit of a let down.

 

The only solution is a playoff system.

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The only solution is a playoff system.

In spite of the rhetoric and semantics let's just agree to agree.

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In spite of the rhetoric and semantics let's just agree to agree.

 

Either that, or we could get married.

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Either that, or we could get married.

 

Don't say it unless you mean it :wacko:

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Don't say it unless you mean it :wacko:

:D Even with the short hair?

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And there, my friends, is the problem.

 

ETA: And, oh by the way, Boise completely manhandled Oregon in that game. The apologists can say what they will about first game of the year and all that but that game wasn't even close.

Since there is no playoffs this is why Oregon should not get a shot at the BCS NC. Losing to Little Boise State in that fashion is hard to overcome.

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Either that, or we could get married.

Pretty much the same thing I suppose.

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Since there is no playoffs this is why Oregon should not get a shot at the BCS NC. Losing to Little Boise State in that fashion is hard to overcome.

 

 

Now is Boise State 3A or 4A?

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Since there is no playoffs this is why Oregon should not get a shot at the BCS NC. Losing to Little Boise State in that fashion is hard to overcome.

OU has lost once to a team ranked in the top 10. What were Kentucky and Arkansas ranked (the two teams LSU lost to but still got to play for it all) ranked by season's end in 2007? I'll make it easy for you, the better of the two was listed in "also receiving votes".

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OU has lost once to a team ranked in the top 10. What were Kentucky and Arkansas ranked (the two teams LSU lost to but still got to play for it all) ranked by season's end in 2007? I'll make it easy for you, the better of the two was listed in "also receiving votes".

You missed the point. Little Boise gets in before Oregon. That same year you mentioned Virginia Tech was correctly left out of the BCS NC when it came to BCS discussions due to the way they lost to LSU early in the season.

 

Oh, and Brian Little Boise State is a 3A team. :wacko:

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Now is Boise State 3A or 4A?

Answer this. In the present system if it comes down to an undefeated Iowa team or an undefeated Boise State team which one do you think deserves to play for the BCS NC? I can tell you right now that IF LSU were to run the table from this point on and avenge their only loss of the season I'm not going to defend Boise State because they beat a pretty good Oregon team.

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You missed the point. Little Boise gets in before Oregon. That same year you mentioned Virginia Tech was correctly left out of the BCS NC when it came to BCS discussions due to the way they lost to LSU early in the season.

 

Oh, and Brian Little Boise State is a 3A team. :wacko:

Maybe I missed the point that you thought BSU should get in ahead of OU (which, btw, I agree with and frankly think this is a moot point because there are far too many teams that would have to lose for OU to even get a sniff) because you referred to them as "little BSU".

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Answer this. In the present system if it comes down to an undefeated Iowa team or an undefeated Boise State team which one do you think deserves to play for the BCS NC? I can tell you right now that IF LSU were to run the table from this point on and avenge their only loss of the season I'm not going to defend Boise State because they beat a pretty good Oregon team.

 

Going undefeated in the Big Ten in any year should trump a mid major going undefeated, the same way an undefeated SEC squad, Big 12, Pac 10, you name it. Iowa's resume is actually pretty solid, the only exception being close wins over teams they should blow out. They've played the best the Big Ten can possibly offer on the road, winning at Happy Valley, Madison, and East Lansing already (only been done once before, Michigan in 1997), and still have the Buckeyes in Columbus. If Iowa runs the table, they will have earned it, in any Big Ten year, down or not. I don't pretend to say they deserve it anymore than Texas, Florida, or Alabama should they run the table, but I believe the #4 ranking is warranted. Boise state may have (may) the best win of the two. But overall Iowa has more quality wins thus far in the season, and if you add Ohio State to that mix, it's hard to argue against that.

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Maybe I missed the point that you thought BSU should get in ahead of OU (which, btw, I agree with and frankly think this is a moot point because there are far too many teams that would have to lose for OU to even get a sniff) because you referred to them as "little BSU".

Shhh...I call them Little Boise State just in case Sarge is peeking in. :wacko:

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Brian I've been posting on this site since 2006 and I have to say we have not always agreed, but I do respect your opinion more than most on this site. Might be because your team hasn't exactly been a threat, but I'm happy to see your Iowa team smack in the middle of the BCS NC discussion. Hopefully both our teams can keep winning so that we can have some lively debate on which teams should play for the BCS NC. If LSU stumbles which it looks like they should this weekend being a 9 point road underdog to Bama I might just be forced to jump the SEC ship and root for your Hawkeyes. :wacko:

 

Maybe if you are lucky enough to see your team go all the way this season you might just sort of appreciate the thrill of BCS system. Watching your team and other contending teams play these last few games (regardless of the level of competition) with so much on the line without a safety net. Granted LSU survived the late loss one year, but if you recall it took a few minor miracles to let them back in.

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Brian I've been posting on this site since 2006 and I have to say we have not always agreed, but I do respect your opinion more than most on this site. Might be because your team hasn't exactly been a threat, but I'm happy to see your Iowa team smack in the middle of the BCS NC discussion. Hopefully both our teams can keep winning so that we can have some lively debate on which teams should play for the BCS NC. If LSU stumbles which it looks like they should this weekend being a 9 point road underdog to Bama I might just be forced to jump the SEC ship and root for your Hawkeyes. :wacko:

 

Maybe if you are lucky enough to see your team go all the way this season you might just sort of appreciate the thrill of BCS system. Watching your team and other contending teams play these last few games (regardless of the level of competition) with so much on the line without a safety net. Granted LSU survived the late loss one year, but if you recall it took a few minor miracles to let them back in.

 

I don't think anyone will deny that watching the BCS polls unfold over the final weeks of the college season is not exciting. That's not why people have issues with the system. The issue I have (and I think others do as well) is that the BCS says it crowns a "National Champion" essentially a "Best Team in the Country" utilizing a system that relies on human opinion to pick the 2 opponents who get to play for said title. AND it leaves out undefeated teams. I don't see how you can argue that any undefeated division 1 team should be left out of the discussion. Period. That team, no matter who they are has done everything the BCS has asked of them, yet they still get overlooked because based on human opinion another team played a stronger schedule and are more deserving. We are always left with a "what if" question. A playoff will ALWAYS answer those "what if" questions. And to those who worry that a playoff would somehow make regular season games meaningless, I just don't understand that argument. At most 2 possibly 3 teams from any given conference would make an 8-12 team playoff. You still have to win your conference to get a guaranteed spot. EVERY game is still critical since a 2 loss team will most likely not get in. The BCS poll is a great way to select those playoff teams, but as long as it continues to leave out undefeated teams, as far as determining a "National Champion", it is broken beyond repair.

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Look I'm not trying to defend the BCS vs. a playoff in this thread. I'm given an opinion on who I think should play under the current system in place.

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Rocker, as you've seen from me, I've defended LSU many times when I felt it warranted. In 2007, I thought of the 2 loss teams, they were most deserving and laid out the case for them. And I wouldn't mind seeing another classic Iowa-LSU bowl game. The last one was about as good as it gets (maybe not for Tiger fans, but I got my Warren Holloway picture framed) . But I think you'll see that regardless of what happens with Iowa this year, I am still firmly in favor of a true playoff vs the BCS. I will not change my stance on it, even if Iowa benefits from the BCS system this season. Long way to go though, I'm worried about Northwestern, as they have had the Hawkeyes number in recent years, last year being a very big downer. Just one of those teams that always gives Iowa fits. Ohio State in 2 weeks is gonna be what it's gonna be. Where Ohio State has a problem mentally against the SEC and USC (pretty much in my lifetime) Iowa has that with Ohio State. Michigan has our number too, but Michigan and Iowa have always played pretty close games, with a couple exceptions. Ohio State just flat out has thumped us. I think Iowa has won at Columbus maybe twice in my lifetime. But there are no excuses, 1 loss won't get the job done in terms of the BCS NC for Iowa. It's undefeated or bust. I still think even if Iowa loses once, that we'll at least be heading to Pasadena for the Rose Bowl. Ohio State at Penn State is gonna be tough for the Buckeyes, and I wouldn't sleep on Michigan either for them.

 

P.S. I will root for LSU against Alabama every single time. Alabama is probably my least favorite program in the country.

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You missed the point. Little Boise gets in before Oregon. That same year you mentioned Virginia Tech was correctly left out of the BCS NC when it came to BCS discussions due to the way they lost to LSU early in the season.

 

Oh, and Brian Little Boise State is a 3A team. :D

 

No doubt in my mind that Little :wacko: Boise State would beat your Tigers by 10+ points

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

at your place :D

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