Being fined/jailed for not having health insurance is the same as not carrying automotive insurance

[Avernus]

the new normal is 10%

 

 

then I'd say unemployment would be around 15% or less.....

[wiegie]

sounds good.

:handshake:

[dmarc117]

:handshake:

 

 

are we talking pv? that 100 bucks might be worth 50 by then!!

[bushwacked]

sounds good.

 

You interested in another?

[dmarc117]

You interested in another?

 

 

sure, why not.

[bushwacked]

sure, why not.

 

Alright, 100?

[dmarc117]

Alright, 100?

 

 

sounds good, same thing as prof. wiegie.

Edited November 12, 2009 by dmarc117

[dmarc117]

wiegie and bush, are we going on the dec release or the actual dec numbers that are released in jan?

[WaterMan]

I didn't know better,I'd think you were just making things up to support your argument.

 

 

He quoted the President almost exactly. I would look over this sentence again and think about how we could all apply it to the information we hear from cable news and the radio. Someone's paying for these stations to air "information."

[wiegie]

wiegie and bush, are we going on the dec release or the actual dec numbers that are released in jan?

we are going with the actual dec numbers that are released in january

[dmarc117]

we are going with the actual dec numbers that are released in january

 

 

ok.

[Avernus]

also, dmarc said earlier in the thread that the unemployment rate is closer to 18%...

 

it's closer to around 22%...

[isleseeya]

also, dmarc said earlier in the thread that the unemployment rate is closer to 18%...

 

it's closer to around 22%...

 

I would like to see where this info is coming from

 

Both the 18 % and now your claim for 22 % ?

 

any proof / back up ?

[dmarc117]

I would like to see where this info is coming from

 

Both the 18 % and now your claim for 22 % ?

 

any proof / back up ?

 

 

its what the dept of labor considers unemployed. they leave out alot.

 

http://seekingalpha.com/article/127111-the...loyment-numbers

[bpwallace49]

its what the dept of labor considers unemployed. they leave out alot.

 

http://seekingalpha.com/article/127111-the...loyment-numbers

 

The part I dont get from that article, is where they say it doesnt count people that have exhausted their unemploymnet benefits, but have STOPPED looking for work.

 

How can you STOP deciding to eat or support your family? How can that be said with a straight face? Do people really think that unemployed and destitute Americans are just saying "you know what? F*** it. I will just sit down on my butt and starve to death. This looking for work is just too freakin hard to do. I will now just curl up into a ball and die."

[evil_gop_liars]

I would like to see where this info is coming from

 

Both the 18 % and now your claim for 22 % ?

 

any proof / back up ?

 

Actually 100% of the unemployed are currently not working.

 

[Avernus]

The part I dont get from that article, is where they say it doesnt count people that have exhausted their unemploymnet benefits, but have STOPPED looking for work.

 

How can you STOP deciding to eat or support your family? How can that be said with a straight face? Do people really think that unemployed and destitute Americans are just saying "you know what? F*** it. I will just sit down on my butt and starve to death. This looking for work is just too freakin hard to do. I will now just curl up into a ball and die."

 

people find ways to make money...

 

a lot of people who stay unemployed tend to find illegal means for making money...

[Ursa Majoris]

people find ways to make money...

 

a lot of people who stay unemployed tend to find illegal means for making money...

Plus there are married people who decide that one of them can stay home.

[bpwallace49]

people find ways to make money...

 

a lot of people who stay unemployed tend to find illegal means for making money...

 

Yet I havent seen roving gangs of villians going on robbing sprees . . . have you?

 

I just dont know how they measure the metric of "people who have just stopped looking for work" and assign a number to that.

[bpwallace49]

Plus there are married people who decide that one of them can stay home.

 

Which is very logical. But how do they KNOW those people ahve just given up? i dont know how they quantify that . . .

[Avernus]

Yet I havent seen roving gangs of villians going on robbing sprees . . . have you?

 

I just dont know how they measure the metric of "people who have just stopped looking for work" and assign a number to that.

 

 

...are you serious?...

[Avernus]

Plus there are married people who decide that one of them can stay home.

 

exactly, and I personally think we need to go back to finding a way to get one half of married couples working instead of the two of them....

 

it has an affect on how children are raised when a parent is staying home with them...provided they are even remotely decent as parents...

[bpwallace49]

...are you serious?...

 

Not on the roving gangs issue . . .

 

But on how they can determine who has stopped looking for work . . .

[Avernus]

Which is very logical. But how do they KNOW those people ahve just given up? i dont know how they quantify that . . .

 

yet the unemployment rate assumes that anyone not collecting unemployment anymore must be employed because they are not collecting...

 

there's a serious flaw in that....just like your analogies...

[Avernus]

Not on the roving gangs issue . . .

 

But on how they can determine who has stopped looking for work . . .

 

they can't....there are lots of reasons why people are not working and it's probably for the better that less people work...

 

especially when households make more than enough money with the contribution of one parent and they decide they want to live even more comfortably so they both work...

 

this takes away a job from someone who probably needs it....