westvirginia Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I am not oblivious to that fact. Shouldn't we figure out how to fund the shortfalls in Medicare and Medicaid or fix the programs before creating another, similar program for government provided health insurance? Another program that will end up full of bloat, fraud, etc. and cost 100 times more than ever projected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 This healthcare bill isn't perfect from any POV but anyone who thinks we're done with this is mistaken. This is step one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 This healthcare bill isn't perfect from any POV but anyone who thinks we're done with this is mistaken. This is step one. Which is what's really scary as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Which is what's really scary as hell. I don't agree. This represents a building block to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Interesting graphic on US healthcare vs. some of those evil socialized "universal health care" countries. LINK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Interesting graphic on US healthcare vs. some of those evil socialized "universal health care" countries. LINK Socialist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Interesting graphic on US healthcare vs. some of those evil socialized "universal health care" countries. LINK Oh dear. That will take some explaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 So the Europeans think that the US and Mexico visit the doctor an average of Zero times a year? Nice graph there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Oh dear. That will take some explaining. well, in order to make a more valid comparison, they would need to control for murders and deaths from automobile accidents, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 So the Europeans think that the US and Mexico visit the doctor an average of Zero times a year?Nice graph there. uh, the thin line represents 0-3 visits per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 uh, the thin line represents 0-3 visits per year. Gotcha, that would make more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 I wonder how much of that 7grand goes to pay for malpractice insurance? It is unlikely that most of these other Countries do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 I wonder how much of that 7grand goes to pay for malpractice insurance? Your schtick is funny. Huddle Factoid: 1+ 1= 2 Mucca: I wonder how many Jew scientists and liberal mathematicians agree with you guys while I'm seeing the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Your schtick is funny. Huddle Factoid: 1+ 1= 2 Mucca: I wonder how many Jew scientists and liberal mathematicians agree with you guys while I'm seeing the truth. That was pretty damn funny . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 That was pretty damn funny . . . In his usual childish like way, yes it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 In his usual childish like way, yes it was. So your stance is that lawyers and insurance companies are the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Not the whole problem,by any means, but a great contributor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Not the whole problem,by any means, but a great contributor. C~an you define a "great contributer"? For example how much this contributes to health care costs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 LINK I doubt the true cost will ever be known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 The average premium is now close to $100,000 for obstetricians and neurosurgeons. From your article. neurosurgeons make over 500k a year out of school. If they are in private practice, they can easily make over a million dollars annually. Considering that they deal with BRAIN injuries, isnt that rate to ensure you DONT screw up someones life worth the price? Also i am sure they are well aware of the costs of insurance to guard against their potential human error BEFORE they specialize? I had a great conversation with a guy at the Packer game last week. He was weighing in on the health care debate, and insurance in general. He decided to be a family practioner because the hours are comfortable, he makes over 250k a year, and his malpractice insurance is relatively low. Isnt the guy in your link comparable to a stunt man complaining his health insurance is too high . . AFTER he was well aware he was entering a profession that would raise his rates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 "What about the fact that the prosecuting attorney would make between $300,000 and $400,000 on this case and has a perverse financial incentive to prosecute such a case? " So you're fine with this, even in the most frivolous cases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 "What about the fact that the prosecuting attorney would make between $300,000 and $400,000 on this case and has a perverse financial incentive to prosecute such a case? " So you're fine with this, even in the most frivolous cases If they are frivolous . . . then they get dismissed. If they are guilty . . then their insurance pays. So you are advocating better doctors that make fewer mistakes to eliminate the litigation for malpractice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 If they are frivolous . . . then they get dismissed. If they are guilty . . then their insurance pays. So you are advocating better doctors that make fewer mistakes to eliminate the litigation for malpractice? Not nearly enough get dismissed, and the ones that do, still cost thousands of dollars. The insurance doesn't pay, the people who buy insurance pay with higher premiums. Better doctors would have no effect on the amount of frivolous lawsuits. Put a hefty fine on the prosecutors of these lawsuits that lose, that might stop them from chasing the ambulance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Put a hefty fine on the prosecutors of these lawsuits that lose, that might stop them from chasing the ambulance. I can agree with that. So you are saying that unmerited lawsuits are somehow the cause of exorbitant health care costs? That it such a de minimus percent of the overall picture. That is like saying the free doughnuts at the car dealership is the reason Chrysler went bankrupt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Medical costs and insurance is cheaper in other countries because their judicial systems don't allow for medical malpractice suits. How incredibly thought provoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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