Ursa Majoris Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Yeah, we've moved back to politics of bribery.... We never left and as long as the current campaigning system is maintained, we never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 This is great news. When do my premiums go down by 3000%? We will all now live forever!! Woot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 22, 2010 Author Share Posted March 22, 2010 Who else noticed how they also slipped in another reform on this bill - one that will discontinue private lending of student loans and force all students to use Direct Lending (Department of Education) which means students have zero options when taking stafford loans. Most schools prefer FFELP (private lending) to direct lending because the service is better and more efficient and also because private lenders provide incentives that lower interest rates. The base rate is the same between private and government, so essentially, this screws the student. Nice going Obama!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds. So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours. This is one of the best ways I've seen it put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 :chuckle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Who else noticed how they also slipped in another reform on this bill - one that will discontinue private lending of student loans and force all students to use Direct Lending (Department of Education) which means students have zero options when taking stafford loans. Most schools prefer FFELP (private lending) to direct lending because the service is better and more efficient and also because private lenders provide incentives that lower interest rates. The base rate is the same between private and government, so essentially, this screws the student. Nice going Obama!! Having private banks administer the loans was a PURE giveaway to the banks. I'm glad they got rid of this BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 This is great news. When do my premiums go down by 3000%? IF you can bear standing in line with all the ghetto boys, there's a form for you to fill out for that, whitey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I'm not up on the details -- Will there be insurance police that come to your house to arrest you if you don't pay the fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Having private banks administer the loans was a PURE giveaway to the banks. I'm glad they got rid of this BS. +1 billion Not sure how anyone can be against this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I'm not up on the details -- Will there be insurance police that come to your house to arrest you if you don't pay the fine? You will be turned into soylent green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 You will be turned into soylent green. That was clubfoothead that had that name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 You will be turned into soylent green. Then maybe I should support this because I'm all for killing the poor and old to help this country. It would be solvent again tomorrow if we rid ourselves of the dead weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds. No doubt about it. Outrage is the principle product of conservative media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 22, 2010 Author Share Posted March 22, 2010 Having private banks administer the loans was a PURE giveaway to the banks. I'm glad they got rid of this BS. You're wrong. The government pays the subsidized interest on the subsidized loans while the students are in school only (regardless of who the lender is - even if it's the goverment themselves). BUT what's not being discussed is the money lenders pay back to the goverment called the special allowance payment - quarterly this amount is paid by lenders to the government. So in the end, the government receives money from the lenders but none of that is being reported. All this gets masked because the government wants to be the entire student loan industry - it's a big market to control and they pulled it off with little to no resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 No doubt about it. Outrage is the principle product of conservative media. And living in fantasyland is the priciple product of the progressives. Or maybe they're intentionally bankrupting this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 While there may be things in there I don't necessarily like, and the methods to get to this end were a little slimy (though no more slimy than other measures enacted in the past).....there are 32 million people that can breathe a sigh of relief....which is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 No doubt about it. Outrage is the principle product of conservative media. Agenda driven journalism, where no one is ever held accountable for being wrong. Is all the rage these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirehairman Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 From Perch's favorite "NY Slimes"... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/opinion/...;pagewanted=all Just as Social Security grew from a modest start in 1935 to become a bedrock of the nation’s retirement system, this is a start on health care reform, not the end. A lot will depend on whether future presidents and Congresses stick to the savings and deficit targets set in this legislation; on how aggressively states administer the new exchanges; on how health care professionals and institutions respond to the challenge of changing their ways; and on how the public responds to the mandate that everyone obtain insurance or pay a penalty. That comparison completely changed my mind and now I'm all warm and fuzzy about the health care reform. Too bad Social Security is running at a deficit () and could bankrupt the country in combination with Medicare and Medicaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 22, 2010 Author Share Posted March 22, 2010 +1 billion Not sure how anyone can be against this. You are getting only a portion of the information. You are basing decisions on what the goverment wants you to believe, not the full truth. This assumption is wrong - I work in the industry and trust me, we do not receive free subsidies from the government. Each quarter we pay the government much more than we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayItAintSoJoe Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 While there may be things in there I don't necessarily like, and the methods to get to this end were a little slimy (though no more slimy than other measures enacted in the past).....there are 32 million people that can breathe a sigh of relief....which is a good thing. I'm not even sure I'd consider it "slimy". Now had they used the "Deem and Pass" approach, yes, that's slimy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneymakers Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 While there may be things in there I don't necessarily like, and the methods to get to this end were a little slimy (though no more slimy than other measures enacted in the past).....there are 32 million people that can breathe a sigh of relief....which is a good thing. Just what the country needs. 32 more million people on Medicaid. woo hoo Thats your government option u get to pay for or get a fine. Dont you love change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 We never left and as long as the current campaigning system is maintained, we never will. the supreme court saw to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I'm not up on the details -- Will there be insurance police that come to your house to arrest you if you don't pay the fine? They can't enter without probable cause, like for instance, to check your mattresses for their tags. So, in other words, if they come in to make sure you haven't removed the tags from your mattress and then just happen to notice you don't have insurance, then you're frakked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 They can't enter without probable cause, like for instance, to check your mattresses for their tags. So, in other words, if they come in to make sure you haven't removed the tags from your mattress and then just happen to notice you don't have insurance, then you're frakked. Except the law is that the tag can't be removed "EXCEPT BY THE CONSUMER", meaning the store can't remove it but a person at home can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Except the law is that the tag can't be removed "EXCEPT BY THE CONSUMER", meaning the store can't remove it but a person at home can. Thanks for clearing that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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