The inner worlds of conspiracy believers

[WashingtonD]

and I'll fire up my stainless steel grill every night and eat Costco steaks

 

Excellent post, with the exception of the above.

 

For the love of god man, when you move back to Atlanta find a decent butcher, do not eat Costco steaks!

[Avernus]

Excellent post, with the exception of the above.

 

For the love of god man, when you move back to Atlanta find a decent butcher, do not eat Costco steaks!

 

 

for seriously.....he had me nodding all the way until he said Costco steaks and I did one of these...

[bushwacked]

I come down to this...is there any evidence that could convince you that the conspiracies you believe in are untrue?

 

On the other side, is there any evidence that could convince you that the conspiracies you don't believe are true?

 

Well, some conspiracies do in fact to come to fruition so that's one way to answer those questions. I'm more interested in the psychology of people who wholeheartedly believe a conspiracy is happening with an alarming lack of evidence and/or rationale to support that belief. Brent thinks everything is a conspiracy and that tells us a lot more about Brent than he could ever tell us about the conspiracies. It's apparent he's delusional enough to think his opinion is "the truth," and anyone who doesn't see it that way is brainwashed. It's also pretty obvious he's oddly unaware of this as he critiques others for being close-minded.

 

Interesting from a psychological perspective indeed.

Edited April 15, 2011 by bushwacked

[bushwacked]

Bottom line, life is about love, relationships, family, friends, music, a good beach that isn't too crowded, and a top-5 RB that you drafted in the 6th round. I want to fill my life with enough of those before the sh!t hits the fan. The rest of it I'll tolerate because I have to.

 

Word.

[skylive5]

.......and eat Costco steaks.

 

 

For the love of God man, when you move back to Atlanta find a decent butcher, do not eat Costco steaks!

 

 

for seriously.....he had me nodding all the way until he said Costco steaks and I did one of these...

 

I was doing alright with this thread and accepting that I, as most of my fellow Huddlers it appears, do not have the intellect to fathom Brentastics opinions. Then matt770 threw a curve ball into the discussion.

 

STAY AWAY FROM THE COSTCO STEAKS MAN! Just say NO!

 

It's alright to live your dream in spite of all the conspiracies happening around you.... but for cryin' out loud... Costco steaks?

[bushwacked]

doesn't it go both ways? If you think he's delusional, then aren't you the opposite side of the same coin? What if he is right?

 

While I do think that Brent is delusional, I'm not confident in my ability to answer all life's questions or arrogant enough to proclaim myself the preacher of the "truth." I'm quite aware I could be wrong and other's with a different opinion could be right. It's happened many times before.

 

Apparently I'm wrong about Costco steaks, I always thought there ribeye's were quite good.

Edited April 15, 2011 by bushwacked

[WashingtonD]

Costco meat may be fine and well, but if you have a local butcher, you can build a relationship, you know you are always getting quality meat, you can have it cut to order, you can make special requests, and you are helping your local economy.

 

I realize I have helped reduce a thread about global conspiracies into the search for good steak, but in the face of a complex multi dimensional world in the end all we have is fire and meat

[montster]

I was doing alright with this thread and accepting that I, as most of my fellow Huddlers it appears, do not have the intellect to fathom Brentastics opinions. Then matt770 threw a curve ball into the discussion.

 

STAY AWAY FROM THE COSTCO STEAKS MAN! Just say NO!

 

It's alright to live your dream in spite of all the conspiracies happening around you.... but for cryin' out loud... Costco steaks?

 

I have a good friend who was a butcher at a specialty market for many years. He says much of the Costco beef -- at least at the one we frequent -- is actually quite good. I've had tenderloin, tri-tip and rib roast from there. All of it has been very good. I don't buy all my meat there, but when I have, I've been satisfied. When we lived elsewhere, I had a local butcher I would go to, and it was great. But there aren't any around here, so you have to go with what you've got.

[skylive5]

I have a good friend who was a butcher at a specialty market for many years. He says much of the Costco beef -- at least at the one we frequent -- is actually quite good. I've had tenderloin, tri-tip and rib roast from there. All of it has been very good. I don't buy all my meat there, but when I have, I've been satisfied. When we lived elsewhere, I had a local butcher I would go to, and it was great. But there aren't any around here, so you have to go with what you've got.

 

Not real impressed with the one here. They are great with pork chops though. LOL

[Big John]

Bottom line, life is about love, relationships, family, friends, music, a good beach that isn't too crowded, and a top-5 RB that you drafted in the 6th round. I want to fill my life with enough of those before the sh!t hits the fan. The rest of it I'll tolerate because I have to.

[Brentastic]

I'm not okay with the idiots in Washington and the lack of choices we have for leadership, and I'm not okay with how the financial markets are run, particularly what I've learned since the financial crisis (crazed mega-wealthy imbeciles playing the market like a casino and no accountability when it all went up in smoke), and I am especially bothered by the influence wielded by corporations. I've watched all the Netflix docs about peak oil, and Wal-Mart, and Bush and Iraq and all the rest of it, and no, I'm not "okay" with how things are going. For the longest time I've said I won't have kids because I cringe when I think of how things will be in 50 years. Looks like the wife may be winning that argument though.

 

The bottom line is just what I have already said, I'm trying to get through it comfortably. I work for one of those big corporations and I get really excited about our state of the art communications products and the fact that so many other huge corporations look to us first for their global networking solutions (okay, not excited, but I'm you know, dialed in). I'm giving them the best years of my life and trying to move up the ladder so I'm not one of the poor saps who get canned in their early 50s because we don't want to pay them a big pension. I jam up my 401K but I'm scared the market will crash again or the dollar will collapse.

 

It's weird, if I drive through a subdivision and I look at the guys with their identical Fisher Price crap for their kids to play on and their stainless steel grills, I have sort of a loathsome feeling that I can't quite put my finger on. Same as when I drive by a McDonalds and I see a line of cars around it, or when I go to the supermarket before a snow storm and it's jam packed with idiots loading up on milk and eggs, even though the forecast calls for 2 inches followed by 50 degree temps. It's really not difficult to see why this mass of human schlubbery is so easily led and manipulated.

 

And yet here I am chasing after the same middle-class trappings as everyone else. When I move back to Atlanta, most likely my house will be one of those McMansions with the multi-pitched roofs and 2-story foyers that I hate, but they are the newest and my wife will rave about the school district, and I'll have to talk to my jackass neighbors, and I'll fire up my stainless steel grill every night and eat Costco steaks. But, I'll have a nice yard to get lost in on weekends. I'll buy a boatload of perennials and I'll grow vegetables. Steve from next door will tell me he doesn't know how I can do all that work and I'll smile but want to shoot him. But if he likes the same bands I do, maybe we'll go to a show.

 

I don't know what else to do, live in a shack and write angry manifestos? As it is, my wife tells me I'm too much of a downer when I talk about the state of the world.

 

Bottom line, life is about love, relationships, family, friends, music, a good beach that isn't too crowded, and a top-5 RB that you drafted in the 6th round. I want to fill my life with enough of those before the sh!t hits the fan. The rest of it I'll tolerate because I have to.

I hear ya man and trust me, I wish I could adopt this attitude (of making it work). I just can't though. Whatever it is in my genetic makeup won't allow me to make the best of it. Maybe it's the stuff I went through as a child, I dunno - but when I'm wronged I get VERY angry and use all my energy trying to right the wrong. I'm the nicest guy in the wold, even non-confrontational for the most part - but when I'm wronged a switch is activated and I become a murderous agressor. I wish I could turn off the anger and pain I feel while coming to grips with how the society we currently live in has been manipulated to favor only a few. I just can't.

[matt770]

The funny thing is, we have a BJ's membership. I wasn't sure if they're nationwide so I said Costco.

 

BJ's steaks are pretty good. As are steaks and BJ's.

[Brentastic]

Well, some conspiracies do in fact to come to fruition so that's one way to answer those questions. I'm more interested in the psychology of people who wholeheartedly believe a conspiracy is happening with an alarming lack of evidence and/or rationale to support that belief. Brent thinks everything is a conspiracy and that tells us a lot more about Brent than he could ever tell us about the conspiracies. It's apparent he's delusional enough to think his opinion is "the truth," and anyone who doesn't see it that way is brainwashed. It's also pretty obvious he's oddly unaware of this as he critiques others for being close-minded.

 

Interesting from a psychological perspective indeed.

You are such a moronic troll, I don't even know why I bother.

 

First tell me specifically what 'conspiracy' you're refering to then tell me about the 'alarming' lack of evidence I have failed to provide. PLEASE - I'm begging you. There is exactly one 'conspiracy' I talk about frequently and that's the fact that the Federal Reserve is a privately owned corporation that has complete control over the currency of the US. This private corporation also controls everything about the way our country is managed because they control the most important facet of it - money. I've wrote so much on the subject and there's PLENTY of evidence supported by me in various threads.

 

What you have failed to do is support your claims and I'm not even sure what your claims are other than arguing with me and others on here. If you dispute my claims about the Federal Reserve, show me YOUR evidence that states otherwise. All you've ever done is mock me while providing nothing other than various (boring) interpretations of mockery.

 

So please, end it all right now and provide specific examples because your vague flaming is a predictable and boring game that offers nothing of substance. I have stuck my neck out there plenty of times which takes balls. All you've ever done is point from a distance and laugh. It takes a real coward to play that role.

[Brentastic]

amen.

 

also, when you have kids, you'll simply be too exhausted to worry about what The Man is doing to care. You'll be too busy playing with the kids to do anything but post from work about The System.

My new neighbor likes whiskey, so we get along like a house on fire

Actually the exact opposite happened with me. Having kids now has escalated my anger toward the system. I want a better society and future for them. If I was only concerned for myself, I'd build a cabin in the woods, make my own LSD and just get lost into another dimension. Having kids is a major motivator for me to fix things. I realize one person can't fix this system but the awareness is growing and a guy like Ron Paul wanting to abolish the Fed is at least a start in the right direction. People are learning and the truth is beginning to surface, I'm just not sure the masses have the balls to do what it takes to make a stance and change the course of humanity.

[bushwacked]

Costco meat may be fine and well, but if you have a local butcher, you can build a relationship, you know you are always getting quality meat, you can have it cut to order, you can make special requests, and you are helping your local economy.

 

I realize I have helped reduce a thread about global conspiracies into the search for good steak, but in the face of a complex multi dimensional world in the end all we have is fire and meat

 

Costco headquarters is essentially local for me and their ribeyes are priced better than the local grocery stores. They also treat and pay their employees well (who are most likely local citizens of any given store you shop at). Of course I'd probably go local butcher also, but for some reason never think of trying to go to one.

Edited April 16, 2011 by bushwacked

[bushwacked]

You are such a moronic troll, I don't even know why I bother.

 

Well, you shouldn't bother then. If you haven't noticed, everyone else here is done bothering, Duchess Jack tried but finally grew tired of it. If you continue to personally insult and degrade everyone who may share a different opinion, people will continue to not bother.

[matt770]

I hear ya man and trust me, I wish I could adopt this attitude (of making it work). I just can't though. Whatever it is in my genetic makeup won't allow me to make the best of it. Maybe it's the stuff I went through as a child, I dunno - but when I'm wronged I get VERY angry and use all my energy trying to right the wrong. I'm the nicest guy in the wold, even non-confrontational for the most part - but when I'm wronged a switch is activated and I become a murderous agressor. I wish I could turn off the anger and pain I feel while coming to grips with how the society we currently live in has been manipulated to favor only a few. I just can't.

But what is that anger doing for you? I don't see the point. If there was a movement I could join that had any chance of toppling the elites, I'd be the first to sign up. But man, look what just happened -- all those bastards treating mortgages like a roulette wheel got off scot free. Trillions of dollars, poof, gone, skullfu(ked out into the ether somewhere. Not only did they get away with it, they collected millions in bonuses. Where do you even begin to summon the anger that would be a proportionate response to that? I can't even think about it for too long, my head starts to hurt.

 

Unless I'm missing something, you've created a number of enemies to rail against, and you assign the evilest of motives to them (agribusiness doesn't just want to monopolize the food supply, they are literally out to kill us; Bush wasn't just a dolt and a war-monger, he was in on 9/11, etc), and you work yourself into a seething rage, and you want us to wake up and accept what you believe is the truth...okay, let's say we do...what's the endgame? We take to the streets with pitchforks and make Monsanto knock it off?

 

The sad thing is, even the relatively few of us who understand corporations are evil wouldn't necessarily jump at the chance to bite the hand that feeds. As perverse as that may be, face it, this is the only life we know. You could look at our power structure as sort of a dictatorship. Saddam may have been evil, but he made sure the trains ran on time. Our elite ruling class may be evil, but they let just enough money trickle down so we can afford our addictions to their consumer goods and Whoppers. You know, a lot of Iraqis didn't want Saddam gone even though they feared him, because they feared the unknown even more. We're not so different.

[Duchess Jack]

Yet according to some, I'm just a quack.

As matt770 kind of eluded to, its about context. The banks, the food thing, 9/11, the astrology thing when your son was born, etc.

 

But I couldn't agree more that seeking the truth is never a 'bad' thing.

 

I am wondering if you subcribe to any of these other beliefs...

 

The Reptillian Elite Walk Among Us

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages...1861029,00.html

 

The CIA created AIDS/HIV

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages...1861031,00.html

 

Moon Landings were Faked

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages...1860992,00.html

 

Other Secret Societies

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages...1861005,00.html

 

Area 51

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages...1861006,00.html

 

Government is starting to implant RFID chips in people.

 

The Soviet superweapon Scalar Interferometer (used for years to modify weather) brought down Columbia

 

Water Flouridation is part of an insidious Communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.

 

The mass dying of honeybees was attributable to megacorporation's desire to control the food supply.

 

The 2009 swing flu outbreak was a terrorist plot

 

A plot for Jewish world domination per the Protocols of the Elders of Zion

 

The Philidelphia Experiement

 

John Hinckley, Jr. had been brainwashed into trying to assassinate Ronald Reagan, at the behest of George Herbert Walker Bush. This attempt to kill Reagan and let Bush step in failed, though by a very small margin. Alternately, it was to bolster Reagan's popularity (although he was already), and set Bush up to succeed him possibly.

 

The Dead Sea Scrolls have been deliberately suppressed because they reveal a lost truth about Jesus.

 

Jesus was actually married to Mary Magdalene and they had kids

 

The Capitol Of Nebraska building is the ritual center for Satanic rites, the proof for this including the number of penises that can be discovered in the art work.

 

The Royal Family of England, along with the Bushes, the Clintons, and many other rich, prestigious families, are actually man-eating shapeshifting lizard-people from the fourth dimension.

 

The Royal Family of England, along with the Bushes, the Clintons, and many other rich, prestigious families, are part of a massive multi-generational conspiracy to...well, it's not clear, but it involved switching from a 432 Hz "A" to a 440 Hz "A".

 

Stanley Kubrick was secretly a member of the Illuminati and devoted his entire career to hiding clues of their existence in his films, eventually getting assassinated after he crossed the line with his last film Eyes Wide Shut.

Edited April 16, 2011 by Duchess Jack

[Avernus]

As matt770 kind of eluded to, its about context. The banks, the food thing, 9/11, the astrology thing when your son was born, etc.

 

But I couldn't agree more that seeking the truth is never a 'bad' thing.

 

I am wondering if you subcribe to any of these other beliefs...

 

The Reptillian Elite Walk Among Us

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages...1861029,00.html

 

The CIA created AIDS/HIV

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages...1861031,00.html

 

Moon Landings were Faked

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages...1860992,00.html

 

Other Secret Societies

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages...1861005,00.html

 

Area 51

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages...1861006,00.html

 

Government is starting to implant RFID chips in people.

 

The Soviet superweapon Scalar Interferometer (used for years to modify weather) brought down Columbia

 

Water Flouridation is part of an insidious Communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.

 

The mass dying of honeybees was attributable to megacorporation's desire to control the food supply.

 

The 2009 swing flu outbreak was a terrorist plot

 

A plot for Jewish world domination per the Protocols of the Elders of Zion

 

The Philidelphia Experiement

 

John Hinckley, Jr. had been brainwashed into trying to assassinate Ronald Reagan, at the behest of George Herbert Walker Bush. This attempt to kill Reagan and let Bush step in failed, though by a very small margin. Alternately, it was to bolster Reagan's popularity (although he was already), and set Bush up to succeed him possibly.

 

The Dead Sea Scrolls have been deliberately suppressed because they reveal a lost truth about Jesus.

 

Jesus was actually married to Mary Magdalene and they had kids

 

The Capitol Of Nebraska building is the ritual center for Satanic rites, the proof for this including the number of penises that can be discovered in the art work.

 

The Royal Family of England, along with the Bushes, the Clintons, and many other rich, prestigious families, are actually man-eating shapeshifting lizard-people from the fourth dimension.

 

The Royal Family of England, along with the Bushes, the Clintons, and many other rich, prestigious families, are part of a massive multi-generational conspiracy to...well, it's not clear, but it involved switching from a 432 Hz "A" to a 440 Hz "A".

 

Stanley Kubrick was secretly a member of the Illuminati and devoted his entire career to hiding clues of their existence in his films, eventually getting assassinated after he crossed the line with his last film Eyes Wide Shut.

 

I'll bite...

 

I'll list the ones that I actually believe...or somewhat believe, but read the footnotes or otherwise you're just trolling like the OP.

 

CIA created AIDS/HIV - I don't have a belief of "who" created it, but rather that it was a man made disease...but this is close enough

 

Government implanting RFID chips into people - In no way was the Government trying to force this on people, even the tards nowadays wouldn't go for this, but there are RFID chips in almost all of the updated debit/credit cards and can used to track you as well as provide a sort of digital image of what surrounds that RFID chip. This is something I know of, but have nothing to hide so I don't really stress it.

 

Water Fluoridation - I know that fluoride is hazardous to your health, but I don't buy into that particular conspiracy.

 

I have a reason for believing these because I don't see these as conspiracy theories, but rather as a conspiracy as I have done enough research on these topics after hearing about them....

 

blah...I'm half awake...I need to eat a breakfast

[Duchess Jack]

I'll bite...

 

I'll list the ones that I actually believe...or somewhat believe, but read the footnotes or otherwise you're just trolling like the OP.

 

Of all the things listed, the beliefs that you subcribed at least partially to, seem grounded enough.

[tonorator]

flouridation mandrake ... precious bodily fluids. complete classic.

 

greed is the issue, not corporations. greed and selfishness. they both manifest themselves in the profit and non-profit sectors.

[whomper]

Im too lazy to take on the fight. A great majority of politicians are full of crap and they all are rich and many corrupt. They pull strings and they can ultimately smack away those who confront like an annoying gnat unless they are incredibly careless and expose their wrong doings. I cant even get my kids asleep before 11 , I am gonna change corruption in the govt ? I go by the Matt theory. I still love America (not saying conspiracy folk dont) I enjoy lifes pleasure, many of which that Matt mentioned except the running back part. I usually dont draft that rb. I usually just get him from Tbone in a lopsided trade.

[bpwallace49]

Wow at this thread . .

 

I consider myself a pretty fortunate guy. I make a good living, I mianly enjoy what I do, and I am able to provide for my family in a way that I never thought I would be able to do at my age. I have an amazing wife, I have hobbies I enjoy and I like where I live. I realize that I have it better than over 90% of the rest of the world that is struggling to get clean water every day. I simply dont have the time, energy or inclination to bother worrying about stuff that is out of my control. To me, that is really wasting your short time here on earth . . .

 

How empty is your everyday life if you obsess about global conspiracies and constantly seek out some ethereal concept of "greater truth" that you remain angry and fail to enjoy and live life? How much do you hate your life that you have to revert to blaming others or a "conspiracy" that is holding you down? What is the end game result of all this crap?

 

Brent, none of the above is specific to you, but to conspiracy theorists in general. but specifically to you, are you happy? Are you happy with your life? If you are, then what possible gain you get from this stuff? Does it make you happy to obsess about things completely out of your control? Man . . . I enjoy reading your posts most of the time, much like I enjoy buying discount books at Barnes and Noble that talk about "what if" moments in history and conspiracy theories. But to me that is idle escapism. It appears to you it is a bitter, bitter way of life.

 

Brent I sincerely like reading your posts about some of this stuff. I think you get waaay too much crap for some of it, but that crap isnt based on what you write about conspiracy theories, it is about how you deliver your message. You act condescending and superior to anyone that disagrees with you. You label them as sheep and uncaring of the REAL truth that only you are enlightened enough to bravely seek out against the power of the Illuminati, global elite, and Colonel Sanders with his addictive chicken recipie.

 

Maybe if you delivered your message in a slightly less dickish manner, you might be able to "enlighten" more people.

 

But on a more tangible basis . . what are you doing personally to change this system besides post youtube videos made in darkened basements? What are you doing to change the status quo? Or do you just derive satisfaction from the pursuit, rather than have an endgame in mind? (seriously asking . . )

[Ursa Majoris]

9-11 was an inside job

In order to believe this, you have to believe that the Bush administration recruited 19 Muslims to carry out a suicide mission on their behalf. You also have to believe that a government that gives a low ranking drone access to top secret diplomatic messages could keep such a colossal plot secret.

 

You have to be certifiable.

[gbpfan1231]

I think I am on the opposite end of the spectrum of Brent. I am guessing that Brent looks for the bad things in people and assumes all the people way "above" us down here are evil. I go the other route - I think people tend to try and be good - are there evil people - hell yes - some people at the bottom are evil and some people at the top are evil.

 

People rail on Bush and say he was behind 9/11 or even went to war for oil because ofhis families connections - come on - He really is that bad of a person? I don't think so - did he think going to war with Iraq was the right thing to do - I believe he thought it was - do I think he did it with selfish intentions no. Maybe I am naive but I think that.

 

On the other side of the coin - does Obama and/or liberals want the USA to tank so they can further a socialist agenda? Hell no! Do I agree with Obama's health care agenda - no - do I believe that Obama thinks it is the right thing for the people - Yes I think he does.

 

Do some companies do things for greed that are wrong - yes - are most companies this way - no - I believe most are good.

 

I don't get worked about and try to find the bad in people - I tend to assume the good in people until it is somewhat proven they are bad. Am I a sheep for this? Who knows and I would rather assume the good in people before the bad.

 

On a side not - I think thsi topic is a useless thread - the intention of this original thread is to pick on a single person and in my opinion is in bad taste - the only intent of this topic was to degrade an individual which is wrong. Just my two cents.