Big Day in Sconny

[bpwallace49]

How dare you save money!!! RECALL!!!!!! http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/new-policies-saved-taxpayers-1-billion-walker-says-9354895-148535795.htmlT

 

 

I am sure that all the people that lost their jobs or suffered over a 8% paycut because of walker are ecstatic about this news!!

 

Oh. You only care about how it effects you.

 

[gbpfan1231]

I am sure that all the people that lost their jobs or suffered over a 8% paycut because of walker are ecstatic about this news!!

 

Oh. You only care about how it effects you.

 

Hey guess what - our insurance quote came in and is going up 16%. What is our company doing? Yep they are covering part of that increase and employees are covering the other part.

 

You know what did not happen? None of these employees screamed/yelled took days off of work to protest it.

 

It happens to a lot of people in the private world and if these people don't like it they leave that job and try something else. How many of these people you mention made the choice to leave because they think it is better somewhere else?

 

The layoffs are primarily in areas where they agreed to extend contracts - areas that are using these tools are not laying off workers.

 

The real way you know it is working is look back to the reasons for the recalls - Collective Bargaining - all about the kids - class sizes.

 

Have you seen any of the ads for what people are now saying to try and get Walker recalled? NOTHING about act 10.

 

No reason for the recall and what he is doing is actually working.

[bpwallace49]

 

Hey guess what - our insurance quote came in and is going up 16%. What is our company doing? Yep they are covering part of that increase and employees are covering the other part.

 

You know what did not happen? None of these employees screamed/yelled took days off of work to protest it.

 

It happens to a lot of people in the private world and if these people don't like it they leave that job and try something else. How many of these people you mention made the choice to leave because they think it is better somewhere else?

 

The layoffs are primarily in areas where they agreed to extend contracts - areas that are using these tools are not laying off workers.

 

The real way you know it is working is look back to the reasons for the recalls - Collective Bargaining - all about the kids - class sizes.

 

Have you seen any of the ads for what people are now saying to try and get Walker recalled? NOTHING about act 10.

 

No reason for the recall and what he is doing is actually working.

 

You do realize that Wisconsin is dead last in the country for "job creation" right?

 

He is very good at eliminating jobs. Not so good at creating them.

 

Your private analogy is beyond stupid as in many cases there is not a direct correlation to private companies or a multitude of other teaching opportunities.

 

But as long as it makes you feel good to celebrate people that on average don't make a ton of money getting their pay cut or them getting fired, that is really all that matters.

[gbpfan1231]

You do realize that Wisconsin is dead last in the country for "job creation" right?

 

He is very good at eliminating jobs. Not so good at creating them.

 

Your private analogy is beyond stupid as in many cases there is not a direct correlation to private companies or a multitude of other teaching opportunities.

 

But as long as it makes you feel good to celebrate people that on average don't make a ton of money getting their pay cut or them getting fired, that is really all that matters.

Give me a break and let's stop with sad "they don't make a lot" schtick. A lot more to a pay package than a pure salary or hourly wage. Explain how these so called low wage earners have the ability to retire earlier than the other evil people who make such a bigger wage?

 

You also sound like a typical teacher here in WI - let's recall Walker because of collective bargaining but when it comes down to the actual election let's toss him out because of jobs - You are right - he has not come through on jobs but that is NOT WHAT THE RECALL was about - so you give him less than a year to try and create jobs in a state that has been run horribly and with people running against him saying they will raise taxes if they win - man I can't believe why companies are not hiring and why they would not flock to WI at this point in time???

 

I also recall you harping about these no bid contracts where he was going to property for like 5 cents to his buddies - nothing everybody was whining about is coming true.

 

Have you not seen how much money was being wasted on the insurance that was being charged to the tax payers by an insurance company that was created by unions and had it written in contracts that they had to be the carrier and then charged inflated premiums? How does that not disgust people????

 

I will acknowledge you are 100% right he is doing a bad job at creating jobs and if it does not get better then I have no issues with him being ousted in the next general election but to recall him for what is happening RIGHT NOW in WI is wrong on so many levels.

[bushwacked]

Loving The Walkermessiah.

 

More than

 

eight in ten voters in today’s Wisconsin Republican presidential primary approve of embattled GOP Gov. Scott Walker

, a stratospheric rating that reflects the remarkable polarization in the electorate as he prepares for a June 5 recall election.

 

A remarkable 71 percent of GOP primary voters approve strongly of Walker while 11 percent say they “somewhat” approve of him. Thirteen percent strongly disapprove of Walker while four percent somewhat disapprove.

 

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/wisconsin-republicans-l-o-v-e-scott-walker/2012/04/03/gIQA7QwmtS_blog.html

[gbpfan1231]

Loving The Walkermessiah.

 

 

 

http://www.washingto...QwmtS_blog.html

 

Definately a polarizing individual.

[SEC=UGA]

I thought we had put to bed this MYTH that teachers "on average don't make a ton of money"...

[bpwallace49]

http://www.teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state

 

SEC it all depends on what you call a MYTH. The averages are not high at all compared to other careers, or even other public employee jobs. Hell, I interviewed to be a parks district manager in Illinois that paid over 135,000 a year. If your point of view is that it is better than minimum wage, than you are right. If you compare it to a vast majority of other careers or even other public service jobs, then you are wrong.

 

Hell, unemploymnet is only slightly worse than a starting teachers salary (by that I mean a couple thousand less per year)

[SEC=UGA]

http://www.teacherpo...laries-by-state

 

SEC it all depends on what you call a MYTH. The averages are not high at all compared to other careers, or even other public employee jobs. Hell, I interviewed to be a parks district manager in Illinois that paid over 135,000 a year. If your point of view is that it is better than minimum wage, than you are right. If you compare it to a vast majority of other careers or even other public service jobs, then you are wrong.

 

Hell, unemploymnet is only slightly worse than a starting teachers salary (by that I mean a couple thousand less per year)

 

If someone could find the thread where I posted the median salary for a teacher vs. the median salary for those with a bachelors degree, it would be appreciated.

[Big John]

If someone could find the thread where I posted the median salary for a teacher vs. the median salary for those with a bachelors degree, it would be appreciated.

You rang?

[SEC=UGA]

You rang?

 

Thank you, sir.

[Ursa Majoris]

There must be much glee among the plutocratic oligarchy and their henchmen that they've managed to set the masses at each others' throats so cleverly and successfully. Here we all are, fighting among ourselves over the diminishing piece of pie that's left while the oligarchy laughs and continues to pocket their loot.

[SEC=UGA]

There must be much glee among the plutocratic oligarchy and their henchmen that they've managed to set the masses at each others' throats so cleverly and successfully. Here we all are, fighting among ourselves over the diminishing piece of pie that's left while the oligarchy laughs and continues to pocket their loot.

 

 

To an extent, I understand what you are saying...

 

But, how many newly minted billionaires have been created over the past decade, without the assistance of these oligarchs to which you refer? Two pop to mind instantly, the lady who founded Spanx and the Facebook dude. Were these people allowed to thrive out of charity from the all powerful oligarchs? Not just that, but there are many, many millionaires who were outside of the influence of these oligarchs as well.

 

At the end of the day, though, yes, there is an entrenched power structure who can and will ultimately have more control over the finances of the masses and can manipulate currencies and policy worldwide... A bunch of them are the people who you elect to office, dems and repubs, labor and liberal, socialists and national socialists.

 

There is a great deal of opportunity in this country, almost unlimited. Often, people are directly responsible for limiting themselves or do not have the tools/faculties to be able to achieve the level of success of others.

[gbpfan1231]

http://www.teacherpo...laries-by-state

 

SEC it all depends on what you call a MYTH. The averages are not high at all compared to other careers, or even other public employee jobs. Hell, I interviewed to be a parks district manager in Illinois that paid over 135,000 a year. If your point of view is that it is better than minimum wage, than you are right. If you compare it to a vast majority of other careers or even other public service jobs, then you are wrong.

 

Hell, unemploymnet is only slightly worse than a starting teachers salary (by that I mean a couple thousand less per year)

 

 

Come on dude - do you really believe this? Can you let me know what benfit package you get when on unemployement? What amount is put into your pension when on unemployment. Again - to look at salary alone is asinine.

 

I am not saying teachers/govt workers are overpaid - I would never say that but to say they are as underpaid as you are trying to make it look is even more asinine.

 

I have used this example before - my father worked at the same place for over 25 years - he was the #2 guy in charge for probably the last 10 - he made better than average money. He is also one of the cheapest dudes you will ever meet. He invested his money and did quite well in the stock market. The last 5 years of his unemployment the company went through changes and he hated his job. He worked 5 extra years and left as soon as he believed he could retire and have enough money - he was in his low 60's when he retired. How is it that you see families that have husband and wife being teachers and they are retiring before 60 or maybe at 60 or 61? If they are so underpaid then why would my dad who could not wait to retire could not? This is common - they are not underpaid. Do you seriously think these govt workers retire and then somehow magically make money out of nothing?

[bpwallace49]

Come on dude - do you really believe this? Can you let me know what benfit package you get when on unemployement? What amount is put into your pension when on unemployment. Again - to look at salary alone is asinine.

 

I am not saying teachers/govt workers are overpaid - I would never say that but to say they are as underpaid as you are trying to make it look is even more asinine.

 

I have used this example before - my father worked at the same place for over 25 years - he was the #2 guy in charge for probably the last 10 - he made better than average money. He is also one of the cheapest dudes you will ever meet. He invested his money and did quite well in the stock market. The last 5 years of his unemployment the company went through changes and he hated his job. He worked 5 extra years and left as soon as he believed he could retire and have enough money - he was in his low 60's when he retired. How is it that you see families that have husband and wife being teachers and they are retiring before 60 or maybe at 60 or 61? If they are so underpaid then why would my dad who could not wait to retire could not? This is common - they are not underpaid. Do you seriously think these govt workers retire and then somehow magically make money out of nothing?

 

 

Your reading must be faulty, or your indignant victim-meter must be on the fritz.

 

Nowhere was benefits brought up, just salaries. Please try to keep up.

 

SEC was talking about salaries. benefits are a different discussion, and WHY politicans for years have passed the buck along to cap off the earning capacity on the high end, because it was easier to promise the increased pension and health care contributions for the future than to make hard choices when they are in office. Then when the time comes to pay for those promises, they bail.

 

But as long as it works with your comparison to your dad. That is really all that is relevant.

[bpwallace49]

Table D. States with statistically significant employment changes from

March 2011 to March 2012, seasonally adjusted

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

| March | March | Over-the-year

State | 2011 | 2012(p) | change(p)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Arizona.......................| 2,399,000 | 2,448,800 | 49,800

California....................| 14,056,300 | 14,237,300 | 181,000

Colorado......................| 2,244,700 | 2,290,500 | 45,800

District of Columbia..........| 725,500 | 738,600 | 13,100

Florida.......................| 7,238,900 | 7,328,700 | 89,800

Georgia.......................| 3,877,000 | 3,908,800 | 31,800

Idaho.........................| 606,700 | 615,700 | 9,000

Indiana.......................| 2,830,800 | 2,867,000 | 36,200

Kansas........................| 1,331,000 | 1,352,500 | 21,500

Kentucky......................| 1,787,700 | 1,821,900 | 34,200

| | |

Louisiana.....................| 1,908,100 | 1,952,100 | 44,000

Maryland......................| 2,538,600 | 2,588,200 | 49,600

Massachusetts.................| 3,211,300 | 3,241,600 | 30,300

Michigan......................| 3,925,500 | 3,982,000 | 56,500

Minnesota.....................| 2,673,200 | 2,704,700 | 31,500

New Jersey....................| 3,843,500 | 3,881,800 | 38,300

New York......................| 8,649,400 | 8,804,700 | 155,300

North Carolina................| 3,920,100 | 3,958,900 | 38,800

North Dakota..................| 387,900 | 413,300 | 25,400

Ohio..........................| 5,077,400 | 5,137,000 | 59,600

| | |

Oklahoma......................| 1,542,500 | 1,580,100 | 37,600

Pennsylvania..................| 5,682,700 | 5,728,400 | 45,700

Tennessee.....................| 2,647,300 | 2,691,300 | 44,000

Texas.........................| 10,496,000 | 10,741,700 | 245,700

Utah..........................| 1,197,200 | 1,226,200 | 29,000

Virginia......................| 3,674,900 | 3,712,900 | 38,000

Washington....................| 2,806,100 | 2,850,100 | 44,000

West Virginia.................| 751,500 | 761,300 | 9,800

Wisconsin.....................| 2,754,500 | 2,730,600 | -23,900

 

But at least he gets to fire teachers through his polices. yay Walker

[Yukon Cornelius]

Your reading must be faulty, or your indignant victim-meter must be on the fritz.

 

Nowhere was benefits brought up, just salaries. Please try to keep up.

 

SEC was talking about salaries. benefits are a different discussion, and WHY politicans for years have passed the buck along to cap off the earning capacity on the high end, because it was easier to promise the increased pension and health care contributions for the future than to make hard choices when they are in office. Then when the time comes to pay for those promises, they bail.

 

But as long as it works with your comparison to your dad. That is really all that is relevant.

 

that is exactly what Tommy Thompson did.... but don't tell that to the others

[Ursa Majoris]

To an extent, I understand what you are saying...

 

But, how many newly minted billionaires have been created over the past decade, without the assistance of these oligarchs to which you refer? Two pop to mind instantly, the lady who founded Spanx and the Facebook dude. Were these people allowed to thrive out of charity from the all powerful oligarchs? Not just that, but there are many, many millionaires who were outside of the influence of these oligarchs as well.

 

At the end of the day, though, yes, there is an entrenched power structure who can and will ultimately have more control over the finances of the masses and can manipulate currencies and policy worldwide... A bunch of them are the people who you elect to office, dems and repubs, labor and liberal, socialists and national socialists.

 

There is a great deal of opportunity in this country, almost unlimited. Often, people are directly responsible for limiting themselves or do not have the tools/faculties to be able to achieve the level of success of others.

 

 

You completely and totally miss the point. It's not about one or two entrepreneurs being successful, it's about encouraging infighting amongst the masses, it's about divide and rule, it's about making one group think another has (an unearned) something they don't. These are classic tactics in mob control and they go back a long way, and not just in plutocratic control either.

[gbpfan1231]

Your reading must be faulty, or your indignant victim-meter must be on the fritz.

 

Nowhere was benefits brought up, just salaries. Please try to keep up.

 

SEC was talking about salaries. benefits are a different discussion, and WHY politicans for years have passed the buck along to cap off the earning capacity on the high end, because it was easier to promise the increased pension and health care contributions for the future than to make hard choices when they are in office. Then when the time comes to pay for those promises, they bail.

 

But as long as it works with your comparison to your dad. That is really all that is relevant.

 

Ahh the victim thing again - tired and old.

 

Comparing salaries alone is just stupid. Almost as stupid as saying they are paid slightly above what unemployment pays.

 

And sorry for trying to bring in a real life example that is probably pretty common with a lot of other people out there. I guess I just don't understand how people who are basically paid unemployment wages are able to retire at ages equal to or younger than other people who are making so much more money? Just seems weird to me????

[Ground_Chuck]

The other shoe is about to drop. 30% salary reductions across the board. On top of the insurance and health care contributions.

 

http://slysoffice.com/

[bpwallace49]

The other shoe is about to drop. 30% salary reductions across the board. On top of the insurance and health care contributions.

 

http://slysoffice.com/

 

 

But don't you care how this relates to gbpfans dad?

[tosberg34]

The other shoe is about to drop. 30% salary reductions across the board. On top of the insurance and health care contributions.

 

http://slysoffice.com/

 

 

Did you just actually post a link from scumbag Sly as some kind of proof?

Edited April 25, 2012 by tosberg34

[tosberg34]

Table D. States with statistically significant employment changes from

March 2011 to March 2012, seasonally adjusted

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

| March | March | Over-the-year

State | 2011 | 2012(p) | change(p)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Arizona.......................| 2,399,000 | 2,448,800 | 49,800

California....................| 14,056,300 | 14,237,300 | 181,000

Colorado......................| 2,244,700 | 2,290,500 | 45,800

District of Columbia..........| 725,500 | 738,600 | 13,100

Florida.......................| 7,238,900 | 7,328,700 | 89,800

Georgia.......................| 3,877,000 | 3,908,800 | 31,800

Idaho.........................| 606,700 | 615,700 | 9,000

Indiana.......................| 2,830,800 | 2,867,000 | 36,200

Kansas........................| 1,331,000 | 1,352,500 | 21,500

Kentucky......................| 1,787,700 | 1,821,900 | 34,200

| | |

Louisiana.....................| 1,908,100 | 1,952,100 | 44,000

Maryland......................| 2,538,600 | 2,588,200 | 49,600

Massachusetts.................| 3,211,300 | 3,241,600 | 30,300

Michigan......................| 3,925,500 | 3,982,000 | 56,500

Minnesota.....................| 2,673,200 | 2,704,700 | 31,500

New Jersey....................| 3,843,500 | 3,881,800 | 38,300

New York......................| 8,649,400 | 8,804,700 | 155,300

North Carolina................| 3,920,100 | 3,958,900 | 38,800

North Dakota..................| 387,900 | 413,300 | 25,400

Ohio..........................| 5,077,400 | 5,137,000 | 59,600

| | |

Oklahoma......................| 1,542,500 | 1,580,100 | 37,600

Pennsylvania..................| 5,682,700 | 5,728,400 | 45,700

Tennessee.....................| 2,647,300 | 2,691,300 | 44,000

Texas.........................| 10,496,000 | 10,741,700 | 245,700

Utah..........................| 1,197,200 | 1,226,200 | 29,000

Virginia......................| 3,674,900 | 3,712,900 | 38,000

Washington....................| 2,806,100 | 2,850,100 | 44,000

West Virginia.................| 751,500 | 761,300 | 9,800

Wisconsin.....................| 2,754,500 | 2,730,600 | -23,900

 

But at least he gets to fire teachers through his polices. yay Walker

 

 

Weird how those dates happen to coincide with the start of the thug tactics and temper tantrums thrown by the unions and the Democrats.

 

And how many teachers were fired through his policies? Do you mean the districts that didn't use the tools provided by ACT 10?

Edited April 25, 2012 by tosberg34

[gbpfan1231]

But don't you care how this relates to gbpfans dad?

 

You seem to be trying to post humor lately - keep trying you will get one soon.

[bushwacked]

 

Gov. Scott Walker and other Republican lawmakers announced Monday that their controversial budget bill curtailing most collective bargaining rights for public workers has thus far saved Wisconsin taxpayers more than $1 billion — though their estimates appear somewhat inflated in Sheboygan County.

 

 

 

 

The $1 billion figure includes an estimated $1.3 million in savings in the City of Sheboygan, where city officials said the money saved under the budget bill was far less, totaling $420,000.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, vastly inflated claims of savings that were primarily gained by over-burdening middle class workers, all the while leading the nation in job losses. Scott Walker, your modern day right-wing hero.